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All they had to do is pretend for one day that terror doesn't work.And we couldn't do even that. Wow what a long, convoluted and pseudo-intellectual speech to make just to avoid saying " we too scared to show the cartoons " But I don't blame them, I would also agree its better not to show those types of cartoons. Its not like they represent real news so in the interest of not offending 1.2 Billion people rather focus on other news stories. And that doesn't mean I would give the Muslim community a pass and not report on real criticisms if required.

Is it? This guy is singlehandedly (well not quite, Volourn goes hand in hand here) responsible for the thread devolving into irrelevant tangent discussions about sex work, and I think you would find that if you polled every person in this thread, more people have had their questions dodged by Bruce than those who have not. And to top it all off, there's the audacity to make the claim he did (the one I was responding to is just ONE example of the same stuff) while not actually ever owning up to or responding to every question he's been faced with. It's hypocrisy, and my gut is screaming "passive aggressive alert, don't bother with this guy cause he knows better." GG has nothing to do with this. I didn't even read your post, I saw the last line. I don't care what the post even says, because quite frankly I'm done discussing things with you period. There's a difference between "sometimes" and "all of the times." You are an "all of the times." I have all the patience in the world for someone who sincerely doesn't understand something or didn't see something. I do NOT have the same patience for someone who, before answering a question, has to walk me through every agonizing step where I first have to throw a giant fit to get their attention, then I have to repeat the question, then I have to CLARIFY the question, and then I finally get a "that makes sense" non-answer that, quite frankly, in no way proves or suggest you even READ my post. And hell, that seems to be the case, no? Because you're claiming to have never seen a big post that was addressed at you. And you claim that every time. The impression is obvious: you do not read or listen to things that don't fit your own mantra, you do not want to have to confront those, and yet you care a whole ****ing lot about your image. So every time someone calls you out on something, you reply, but you reply in the same passive aggressive non-answers that ultimately do nothing. I could write up a giant wall of text right now and the only response would be "excellent points. I can definitely see where you're coming from, but I disagree " without bothering to explain how or why. It's warped, it's messed up, and I - quite frankly - try my best to avoid dishonest people like the plague. I've no idea if you're being dishonest with us or dishonest with yourself, but it all spells trouble to me regardless. But don't worry, I'm not going to tell you to screw off like I once did. I'm going to leave and stop discussing this stuff here, because quite frankly, I'm tired of making a point I consider strong, and then I have to spend a good amount of effort just to tell everyone "hey the stuff Bruce is talking about is pretty irrelevant and he's actively dodging points by bringing up that discussion," only for it to re-occur every ****ing 3 pages. Have fun convincing people prostitution is awful and you care a lot about poor women stuck in sex work even though you also admit to purchasing their services and thereby perpetuate the occupation by providing it with demand. I'll be off trying to find a productive discussion. (bitter irony that video games could provide a SAFE alternative that provides people with a way to get their rocks off while not encouraging an ACTUAL trade that puts women in a bind, which could help break down the very occupation you claim is so toxic while also reducing STD spread. But nah, logic is so 20th century) Is it? This guy is singlehandedly (well not quite, Volourn goes hand in hand here) responsible for the thread devolving into irrelevant tangent discussions about sex work, and I think you would find that if you polled every person in this thread, more people have had their questions dodged by Bruce than those who have not. And to top it all off, there's the audacity to make the claim he did (the one I was responding to is just ONE example of the same stuff) while not actually ever owning up to or responding to every question he's been faced with. It's hypocrisy, and my gut is screaming "passive aggressive alert, don't bother with this guy cause he knows better." GG has nothing to do with this. I didn't even read your post, I saw the last line. I don't care what the post even says, because quite frankly I'm done discussing things with you period. There's a difference between "sometimes" and "all of the times." You are an "all of the times." I have all the patience in the world for someone who sincerely doesn't understand something or didn't see something. I do NOT have the same patience for someone who, before answering a question, has to walk me through every agonizing step where I first have to throw a giant fit to get their attention, then I have to repeat the question, then I have to CLARIFY the question, and then I finally get a "that makes sense" non-answer that, quite frankly, in no way proves or suggest you even READ my post. And hell, that seems to be the case, no? Because you're claiming to have never seen a big post that was addressed at you. And you claim that every time. The impression is obvious: you do not read or listen to things that don't fit your own mantra, you do not want to have to confront those, and yet you care a whole ****ing lot about your image. So every time someone calls you out on something, you reply, but you reply in the same passive aggressive non-answers that ultimately do nothing. I could write up a giant wall of text right now and the only response would be "excellent points. I can definitely see where you're coming from, but I disagree " without bothering to explain how or why. It's warped, it's messed up, and I - quite frankly - try my best to avoid dishonest people like the plague. I've no idea if you're being dishonest with us or dishonest with yourself, but it all spells trouble to me regardless. But don't worry, I'm not going to tell you to screw off like I once did. I'm going to leave and stop discussing this stuff here, because quite frankly, I'm tired of making a point I consider strong, and then I have to spend a good amount of effort just to tell everyone "hey the stuff Bruce is talking about is pretty irrelevant and he's actively dodging points by bringing up that discussion," only for it to re-occur every ****ing 3 pages. Have fun convincing people prostitution is awful and you care a lot about poor women stuck in sex work even though you also admit to purchasing their services and thereby perpetuate the occupation by providing it with demand. I'll be off trying to find a productive discussion. (bitter irony that video games could provide a SAFE alternative that provides people with a way to get their rocks off while not encouraging an ACTUAL trade that puts women in a bind, which could help break down the very occupation you claim is so toxic while also reducing STD spread. But nah, logic is so 20th century) Wow that wasn't quite the response I expected, are you in a bad mood? Do you want to talk about it, I'm a good listener

Well, it'd achieve as much as anything else on this forum. No other reason why people like you, shirty, or Tale or whomever will hang around in this thread, as well, idea is to score a blow or two. What will be gleaned from your questions anyway, other than giving you potentially ammo. You're deeply curious about understanding GG ? You've already asked these question of people before, as well, and should probably have a good grip of what they think or so on. Well, it'd achieve as much as anything else on this forum. No other reason why people like you, shirty, or Tale or whomever will hang around in this thread, as well, idea is to score a blow or two. What will be gleaned from your questions anyway, other than giving you potentially ammo. You're deeply curious about understanding GG ? You've already asked these question of people before, as well, and should probably have a good grip of what they think or so on. Okay, now I understand some of the resistance to my initial 3 questions You think I want to use this undermine GG, yes I can understand how you may think this as I am largely and openly opposed to the movement. But thats not why I asked the initial 3 questions I am not so dogmatic to dismiss an entire movement, for example there are many people on this forum who support GG and make relevant points about the issues that GG raises For example Orog has raised real issues about the independant developers society ( whatever they are called, I forgot ) and how people who are victimised for not being opposed to GG Longknife posted that very relevant video of that pornstar getting judged for her work and how her money wasn't good enough Examples of women supporting GG and having to hide there identity I get this discussion is nuanced, which is why I am interested in the 3 questions I asked

You should just get balls and just insult the people you want to. Works better than this roundabout way you are trying to backhand people. Wow, no offense Malc but despite the fact you and I have chatting on this forum for close to 2 years you still don't understand my posting etiquette Why do you think I want to insult people? What do you think that would achieve? Yes I am disappointed about the lack of response and I was honest about that....but my intention is not to insult KP, Longknife and TN but rather to understand why they can't give input on a topic that they clearly know more about than I do You really need to start seeing the glass as "half full instead of half-empty " So epic fail on your assessment of my original question, I'm really not such a malicious person

Seriously dude, shove it up your ass. I'm sick of your passive aggressive bull****. It's the same every time: non-answers and every attempt made to dodge questions. And now this? I've brought that up to you I dunno HOW many times, and every single time it's "oh I seem to have missed that, can you ask it again?" If you had any interest in a serious debate, you'd make an effort to look yourself. You don't. There's a reason I went quiet when you asked to see those questions again: to see if you'd look them up yourself, (at the time the thread was what, 7 pages?) and you never did. And then you sit here and make these smug remarks. As far as I'm concerned, you don't give two ****s about any serious discussion, you're just interested in being a passive aggressive little pest who seeks to be proven right. No you have it all wrong, I was honest. I wasn't sure what 2 questions you were talking about and I asked you to post them again Yes I'm not as active as you on this thread but that doesn't mean I am not genuinely interested in your questions My advice, stop being so defensive. Not everything is some surreptitious attack on GG or on your perspective. Sometimes people just don't understand what you mean when you expect a response, so make it easy for them by explaining

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." Spoken by that shining example of humanity, Pat Roberston. Reactionary hysteria is always hilarious, whatever form it takes. I'm personally waiting for the moment when someone claims that water fluoridation is some insidious SJW plot to sterilise straight white males. "I can no longer sit back and allow SJW infiltration, SJW indoctrination, SJW subversion and the international SJW conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!" So GG has been established for more or less 6 months, it seems like a good time to do a summary of where the movement is, what it has accomplished and what the future holds for GG i know many of you guys do spend time following this movement and updating us on developments so lets analyze the state of GG and of course this is subjective..no one is going to hold you to it What is current state of GG? What changes is GG directly or indirectly responsible for What are the future objectives of GG? I have to say I'm very surprised and disappointed by the lack of response to my 3 questions For last 6 months we have had certain active members on this thread spend hours giving us updates and making long posts about corruption in the gaming industry and posting twitter comments. But when asked to give valid feedback about the core state of GG there has been no feedback? The only person who did respond, Namutree, isn't even that active on this thread TN, Longknife, KP and others considering your post history in this discussion I was really expecting you to at least try to respond to my 3 questions? I haven't even been in this thread since before you posted those questions, I think. I've been cutting down my time in this thread simply because it often riles me up into making extremely long posts that take up time that I could be spending working on interesting things. - The current state of GG, size wise, is mostly the same as it was, it was looking like it was shrinking rapidly but after the holidays were over it ballooned right back up. - Personality wise, I can see a rift forming between those who care for specific personalities (such as those digging up dirt on srhbutts and attacking intel over being "partnered" with femfreq for their women in tech initiative) and a hard core ethics group, characterized by people such as Oliver Campbell, Brad Wardell and Jenn of Hardwire, who seem to be slowly forming themselves into a genuine ethics watchdog that will endure far after the hashtag goes out of use. However, I've seen a lot of arguments happen between different GGers in the last few days, more than usual, so GamerGate, if it was ever even somewhat united, might fracture over this difference. But I could be wrong. - As for changes, this question was answered to my satisfaction. Influencing some FCC regulations, getting websites to adopt ethics policies, funding several charities and a lot of women in games industry projects (most from TFYC organisation). Apparently GG does this out of spite or something, but at least that seems to be getting results while everyone else is just running around complaining about gamer culture when they could be doing their own charity drives and women's projects. - The future objectives of GG are the same as before. Ethics in game (and at this point it's really started to add media) journalism - either clean up your act or GG will try to take you down. The ones doing this intelligently seem to be that core forming into a media watchdog. Gawker is unlikely to be forgiven at this point because the whole controversy dragged up all the other **** they've done (such as hosting celebrity sex videos and spreading copyrighted material) and Gawker is already close to going down, so that seems to be an objective, and Vox media is getting a fair share of attention now because they are perceived to be responsible for a lot of biased coverage as well as the brunt of Reddit censorship. I haven't followed that particular outrage so I don't know if that's correct. I've had other things on my mind. Satisfied? Thank you for post, I'll go through your comments and respond later as I need to respond to others views now

When several people have stated that they don't want to respond to you in this thread because they don't think you're posting in good faith, are you really surprised when you're ignored? Actually I'm going to respond to each of the comments to my post individually I asked a simple question, well 3 simple questions. They weren't complicated, all I was asking was for your input. So yes I fail to see how my post was done in bad faith, especially considering the fact other people have responded? You and I may not always agree on issues but I do try to respond to a direct questions you ask me?

Also I don't think either person was Trolling, I'm sure Gfted1 was being perfectly serious when he suggested a solution to the problem was more guns ( yes he said it in an indirect way ) We all know that there is very vociferous movement of people, like the NRA, who do believe you will be better protected if everyone has a gun. Is it valid ? I don't know, I just know this. I probably live in the most violent country of anyone on these forums, we have 30-50 murders a day and many of these murders are committed by firearms Despite this apparent threat most of my friends and people I know don't have guns. The reason for this is simple, if you are faced with an armed attacker you need to have excellent reflexes to be able to draw your gun and defend yourself. So take car hijackings, a guy comes to your window with a gun drawn. If you don't put our hands up and immediately get out the car he will open fire. The chance of you being able to draw your weapon is unlikely So even though people may think " having a gun will make you safer " I believe the average person will battle to be able to use their firearm under the type of pressure that violent crime exists and in fact you may end up getting killed while trying to defend yourself just because you now draw a firearm But of course this argument doesn't apply to this newspaper attack because in this case you are going to be killed either way, if you complied with the attackers or not. So I suppose there is a valid point that says " if someone is going to just kill me I may as well try to draw my gun to defend myself " So it really boils down to the type of threat a country faces and when it comes to terrorism or mass shootings we need to look at the whole gun debate in a different way? The problem with your examples are one on one situations which is not what owning a gun prevents in a long run. There was an example in the US. Some guy tried to pull a gun in store. He was shot mid movement by 4 or more civilians who where shopping there. And that is a situation most pro gun people are talking about. In a situation someone pull a gun on you, yes you have no chance to pull your own gun, but imagine that 2-3 bystanders will pull their guns to help you. Will the assailant be able to defend against them? You say you live in a violent country but from what I read the most of the "gun" related crimes happen in areas that have restrictions about having a gun like NY, LA etc. and are mostly non existent in areas where most people have guns by their side on regular basis. One of the problems in South Africa is that criminals have illegally owned guns. So we have an issue of far too many unregistered guns in circulation, so even if you tried to make it illegal to own a firearm it won't make a difference to criminals owning guns. So from a South African context we don't have the means to effectively enforce a " no gun culture" as all that will happen is that law abiding citizens won't be able to own firearms and the people that actually commit the crimes will still get firearms from the black market

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." Spoken by that shining example of humanity, Pat Roberston. Reactionary hysteria is always hilarious, whatever form it takes. I'm personally waiting for the moment when someone claims that water fluoridation is some insidious SJW plot to sterilise straight white males. "I can no longer sit back and allow SJW infiltration, SJW indoctrination, SJW subversion and the international SJW conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!" So GG has been established for more or less 6 months, it seems like a good time to do a summary of where the movement is, what it has accomplished and what the future holds for GG i know many of you guys do spend time following this movement and updating us on developments so lets analyze the state of GG and of course this is subjective..no one is going to hold you to it What is current state of GG? What changes is GG directly or indirectly responsible for What are the future objectives of GG? I have to say I'm very surprised and disappointed by the lack of response to my 3 questions For last 6 months we have had certain active members on this thread spend hours giving us updates and making long posts about corruption in the gaming industry and posting twitter comments. But when asked to give valid feedback about the core state of GG there has been no feedback? The only person who did respond, Namutree, isn't even that active on this thread TN, Longknife, KP and others considering your post history in this discussion I was really expecting you to at least try to respond to my 3 questions?

Also I don't think either person was Trolling, I'm sure Gfted1 was being perfectly serious when he suggested a solution to the problem was more guns ( yes he said it in an indirect way ) We all know that there is very vociferous movement of people, like the NRA, who do believe you will be better protected if everyone has a gun. Is it valid ? I don't know, I just know this. I probably live in the most violent country of anyone on these forums, we have 30-50 murders a day and many of these murders are committed by firearms Despite this apparent threat most of my friends and people I know don't have guns. The reason for this is simple, if you are faced with an armed attacker you need to have excellent reflexes to be able to draw your gun and defend yourself. So take car hijackings, a guy comes to your window with a gun drawn. If you don't put our hands up and immediately get out the car he will open fire. The chance of you being able to draw your weapon is unlikely So even though people may think " having a gun will make you safer " I believe the average person will battle to be able to use their firearm under the type of pressure that violent crime exists and in fact you may end up getting killed while trying to defend yourself just because you now draw a firearm But of course this argument doesn't apply to this newspaper attack because in this case you are going to be killed either way, if you complied with the attackers or not. So I suppose there is a valid point that says " if someone is going to just kill me I may as well try to draw my gun to defend myself " So it really boils down to the type of threat a country faces and when it comes to terrorism or mass shootings we need to look at the whole gun debate in a different way?

No Thats just silly, no one would want that You clearly have the wrong idea about the SJ agenda

No. They are included so manchildren can digitally cuddle and copulate with their digital waifus and stroke egos of bioware's target audience. In case of DA:I - also to attract SJW scum. Good thing Pillars of Eternity refused the idea of romances early on. Thats an extremely negative and spurious view of Romance, in fact I would write it all off as anti-Romance propaganda Romance is a very well liked component of party interaction and adds a different depth to the overall game, plus its always optional Also us promancers are very confident that there will be Romance arcs in PoE2

There is everything wrong with the romances as they are for the most part cringy. Also, BW shouldn't be involved in open world games and they shouldn't in fact let you choose your own team. Those are missed opportunities for some character development, so DA:I; jack of all trades master of none, recycled assets from Origin and as usual the best girl doesn't have romance scene. (It's Harding if you're wondering) Doesn't seem like you understand the purpose of Romance in RPG Orog? They are there to add greater immersive interaction with party members and make the whole RPG journey more memorable...don't be a hater

Yes they were innocent but not to the attackers, they only targeted the newspaper. They didn't just plant bombs to kill anyone and everyone, like we see with other terrorist attacks like the 7 July 2005 London bombings

I agree, we can't live in a world where we can't print certain political cartoons

Come now Gfted1, this is no time to raise the ideological nonsense of the NRA The USA and France face different threats from fundamentalism due to their geography and political views and these threats need to addresses with that difference in mind

Yeah I am watching this story as I write It seems to have been a surgical attack by professionals. Seems to linked to ISIS, according to the French security services they have prevented several attacks recently but this one slipped through. Also this was pointed out that the attackers didn't want to necessarily kill innocents, they targeted people working for the newspaper only

How is that different to real life? Well in RL I'm not worried about mutant birds attacking me from the sky when I walk the streets

Shady nice idea and very generous You need to become more vocal in supporting SJ issues, we need people like you

Yeah the Metro games are excellent. I really think they captured the desperation of a post-apocalyptic world accurately , especially the first one where ammunition is scarce and everytime you go outside you are nervous

That was good thinking, rather err on the side of caution when it comes to these types of health developments

Wowzers that restaurant looks very authentic, I looked at the menu. Not a wide variety but some yummy choices, I like the sirloin cheesesteak sandwich Let us know what you decided to order

All you doing is posting the worst possible depictions of the Kiev government and making it like this represents what the current Kiev leadership and political structures really represent No one actually believes this, well Oby might

Some of the internet personalities surrounding it like Internet Aristocrat have left for various reasons. This has left gamergate with a little less energy, but it's still going pretty strong. It just feels it bit weaker than it used to be IMO. A few gaming websites have improved their ethics policies. A couple of small game projects have been funded. Some charities have been funded. The fighting between GG and the media has created a trolls paradise; while GG can't be entirely blamed for this, it is at least partially responsible. Indirectly, GG has caused the left a lot of problems in the US. It's caused a rift between the libertarian-left and the authoritarian-left that mirrors the rift on the right. This makes a republican victory in 2016 a bit more likely if the republicans run a libertarian-right candidate. To take down Gawker (I single Gawker out because I feel it's the site GG hates the most. Other sites could get by with ethics revisions, but Gawker won't be forgiven.). That is very interesting feedback, thanks for sharing I am particularly interested in the political dichotomy GG may have contributed towards. You mention " It's caused a rift between the libertarian-left and the authoritarian-left that mirrors the rift on the right" Can you explain this further?

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." Spoken by that shining example of humanity, Pat Roberston. Reactionary hysteria is always hilarious, whatever form it takes. I'm personally waiting for the moment when someone claims that water fluoridation is some insidious SJW plot to sterilise straight white males. "I can no longer sit back and allow SJW infiltration, SJW indoctrination, SJW subversion and the international SJW conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!" So GG has been established for more or less 6 months, it seems like a good time to do a summary of where the movement is, what it has accomplished and what the future holds for GG i know many of you guys do spend time following this movement and updating us on developments so lets analyze the state of GG and of course this is subjective..no one is going to hold you to it What is current state of GG? What changes is GG directly or indirectly responsible for What are the future objectives of GG?