BruceVC

Follow your dreams, step outside your comfort zone, even if doesn't pan out you will learn something about yourself. As someone older who regrets time wasted, take all the opportunities you can...BTW what the hell do you need a crossbow for? To kill roaming carnivorous bears that are common in his area? Germany has a huge problem with bears

How long have you and Hurlshot known each other for Gfted1?

Makes sense, rather be sure than to not go because us guys tend to avoid doctors generally

I do enjoy the US elections but its not fun but more serious for me due to the relevance of the USA

I find it hard to believe you "didn't mean to start all this" when your unsolicited reply started with: Yeah I know, was stupid on my part. I guess what I mean is I expected a reaction, but not THIS MUCH of a reaction. So now I feel dumb and wreckless. Yes but this argument with Barti and me has nothing to do with you ? Also guys this is not a big deal? I'm not angry at all but I'm sure Barti and I can reach common ground? But we need a third person to ensure the truce holds

Comment on...? I agree...but I also disagree. It's a personal problem - I have the ability to not look at posts from users whose posts I don't want to see, and I fail to do it. That's my fault, simple as that. But yes, for those of us, including myself, who are weaker and unable to resist, a more strict ignore list would be great. But...things are O.K. as is. Oh, so you are a troll. Good to know, and honestly, it's nice to see you confess. Well, self-admittance is the first step on the path to curing your disease, my friend. But also, you're completely missing the point: the way you think of me, how you talk to me...is utterly of no consequence to me. I...and others...have laid out many...so many...times what we would like to see improve from you. You can take comfort in the fact that I'm just as stubborn as you are in this regard - probably even more so, in fact. I'm leaving the ball in your court, though. No I said sometimes, you seem to get worked up over nothing? But lets see if Amentep can maybe give his input around this truce Amentep I want to stop fighting with Barti ....I looked on this whole thing as something that was just a joke but it seems to have escalated. Barti does things that annoy me and then I annoy him and then he annoys me ....so I suggested we have a truce The only way I think it will work is if we both list the things that annoy us so its clear...please dont ask me to remember what you guys have said in the past as there has been so much said I'm not sure whats real And then its official, we dont do those things to each other? Someone like Gfted, Hurlshot, TN or Amentep can basically recognize the terms and the first person who breaks the truce the entire forum will know has no integrity? It may sound complicated but its not, I only have 2 things you do that annoy me and this way there is no doubt that the other person shouldn't say he was unaware ....so for example I cant say later " I never knew I couldn't joke "?

Okay Barti I tell you what ...please forget the previous post I would like to extend the hand of friendship....lets start over. I'll also admit I do sometimes provoke you because you always overreact and its funny but I wont do that anymore? Someone like Hurlshot can agree its official and lets try to be nice to each other ...what do you think? We have nothing to lose?

Or maybe try be a little less rude the whole time? You be nice to me and I promise I wont be rude back

Okay thanks Meshugger, I'll be sure to ponder how similar I am to Qistina over Easter A genuine, friendly advice met with a passive-aggressive snarl? That's the behaviour of a vindicative *censored*, don't be that low. A small hint, check her behaviour (not the content) and compare to yours in this thread. Obviously tone is hard to convey in a post, but it seems a bit disingenuous to call your statement genuine, friendly advice. It also doesn't contain any advice whatsoever. As for Bruce, I think many of you simply take him too seriously too often. Like Volo, his posts are best read with a judicious helping of salt. edit: I should probably add that I'm terrible at taking my own voice, and I've let Volo get under my skin too many times to count. Yes you are 100 % right Hurlshot Guys,,,,Hurlshot gets it and he hardly ever chats to me....you guys take me far toio seriously. I joke sometimes, yes I tease a little but all my debates on things like politics are real and I never joke Im really not hard to understand

It gets a rise out of people - it's forcing a response. From you, from me, from anyone who sees his pretty freaking constant use of phony logic, from his complete and total lack of even a shred of intellectual honesty and good faith in the vast majority of the topics in this section - and never mind the condescension that's just dripping from way too many of his posts. And no matter how many times this kind of crap is blatantly and forcefully pointed out to him, he keeps doing the same stuff over and over. Trolling? Maybe not - maybe it's just a bad combination of narcissism or narcissist-like behavior and being...well, we don't need to go there. Point is, regardless of what it is, the result is effectively trolling way, way too much of the time...and it's about time it came to a screeching halt. There's good reason the moderating team here considers him a joke, and there's good reason a whole lot of other users, myself included, do, too. He asked me a few days ago my thoughts of the "vastly new and improved" BruceVC of today were, compared to a few months ago... Like, holy crap, man: you're still doing the same exact sort of crap that I've taken issue with repeatedly, continuously over the past year, year and a half or so...in pretty much every topic you're in. It's really gotten old. I've come to the conclusion that even if he wanted to change, he likely can't, because generally speaking, you need to be able to recognize what's wrong with your behavior before you can actively try to change it...and it's clear that he can't even get that far - no matter what we say, we can't make him see the problem. So...to the ignore list it is, and then the attempt to not click too many of the "view this post anyway" buttons, for the sake of my own sanity, and for the sake of my free time. Barti I cant get angry with you.....you make me laugh too much Barti you really misunderstand me but I did explain this earlier....not sure why we even debating this? I debate from a RL etiquette so I dont really understand these Internet stereotypes like Troll or thinking I'm being condescending ....imagine I was standing in front of you...thats why I'm always polite and for the record I'm not being egregiously and obscenely polite....I have serious sales responsibilities at work so you learn to be naturally polite...its not hard to be polite? And what do you mean "And no matter how many times this kind of crap is blatantly and forcefully pointed out to him, he keeps doing the same stuff over and over "...Barti are you smoking some goooooooooood weed? No one has ever done that ..people insult me or make inexplicable comments that arent relevant like " you need to think about Qistina " ( like I have ever given her more than 2 seconds ) Sorry Barti but your story is mostly epic fail...maybe you can actually find some examples of " all this advice that was given to me " Post the links...come on ...I dare you Oh I did receive a warning from the Mods and we had a constructive discussion around this and my whole forum etiquette started improving.The Mods are fair here so if they ask something I always try to adhere to it...so another epic fail Barti because I was the new BrucevC...and anyway why is asking how I am doing considered so vexing/? But I would like Amentep to comment but lets not try to influence him ..let him make his own mind up

Okay thanks Meshugger, I'll be sure to ponder how similar I am to Qistina over Easter A genuine, friendly advice met with a passive-aggressive snarl? That's the behaviour of a vindicative *censored*, don't be that low. A small hint, check her behaviour (not the content) and compare to yours in this thread. Well I hardy interacted with Qistina....she seemed to like me which I found a little odd because she hardly knew me...but remember when she compared me to her Scottish guy friend. I started staying away after that and you guys seemed obsessed to endlessly debate with her ....and you stopped up despite the fact she seemed to always have another anti-western view Did you really enjoy debating with her ,,,I found it tiresome

And... Here's a very good example of why I sometimes think you might just be a troll. You're either incredibly daft to ask that question, or you're trolling. If it's the former, think, the answer is obvious if you do. If it's the latter, F off. But once again its not obvious, I have been on these forums for over 3 years and my interests and motives have been more or less consistant. I like West, free markets and support SJ I am active in my own threads and through the years I have seen people come and go who use to say I was a troll So I ask you again....why would a troll with this behavior pattern create threads?

... The whole point of doing it is so it will be pointed out. That's trolling 101, and Bruce does it all the time. In all seriousness, Bruce purports to be fine with prostitution and not fine with an open marriage. Even if they were honestly held opinions rather than the forum equivalent of Gawker clickbait (no surprise Bruce would defend them, they're peas in a pod) there's literally no point even arguing with someone that disconnected with reality; the level of cognitive dissonance that would be required to honestly hold both opinions renders it utterly pointless. I always thought of trolling as intentionally riling people up, not posting logical inconsistencies so someone will point them out. Learn something new everyday, I guess.. The intent of the troll usually is indeed to rile people up, however the vast majority of the time the average troll is indeed logically inconsistent. It's one of the reasons most are very easily spotted, and the main reason most are also fairly easily shut up. That aside, Bruce drives a lot of conversation on this forum (20% of the current front page threads were started by him, and that's been the norm since before I started coming here), and definitely has some things in common with a troll, even if unintentional. I've questioned his sincerity myself on a number of occasions, and frankly I'm still not 100% sure he's not a troll of some sorts. But why would a troll start threads? And yes I was honest when you asked me, I am not a troll....Oby may be

Okay thanks Meshugger, I'll be sure to ponder how similar I am to Qistina over Easter

Okay I see you havent changed, my bad You think because I dont want to go through that incorrect view of me it is a cop out Why would you think I would want to scrutinize that post ...you think Im some sort of masochist ?

What was the 10% that was right? Going through that scathing and egregiously misplaced assessment of me is not something I feel like doing on Easter...later

What was the 10% that was right? Yeah okay I was just being polite, I am not sure I agree with much but if I had to I'm sure I could find 10 % But Im glad LK wrote it , its helped me understand why people misunderstand me Hiro you never use to speak to me but we chat now? You thought I was trolling you I think but even back then I was just joking and my RL etiquette was confusing people who thought I was being rude. I'm not blaming you because I did use to sometimes provoke you ...sorry about that

They are bad at politics because they are just not another political party or entity, it's because they are men on a mission. It is an odd situation. Most folks seek to use political power to means to achieve an end. But for the libertarians the end is the containment of the means. GD are you considering joining BLM? You should try it for 3 months, Um no. I am pretty sure they don't want me and I'm definitely sure I don't want them. I don't enjoy the company of racists who think people who don't look like them should be killed. Can I tell you something interesting, I am not familiar with BLM ...that video created a bad first impression but I am assuming not all members would act like that. If you could join I guarantee you will find they dont actually dislike white people, there view is based on the fact they think white people dont like them ...so its a reaction The experience will be a positive one, thats what happened to me in SA

[spoilered only to save screen space.] If I have time later, I may add to what you say here, but I want to at least say I very much appreciate the energy and time you took to write that, and I agree 100% with your observations on Bruce. While they very likely might be lost on Bruce himself (and seem to be based on his replies), know at least that you are not alone in your observation and opinion on this matter. Thank you for writing what you wrote. Yes I keep saying that, Im glad he wrote that because I now understand the issue Some people judge me on expected Internet etiquette, I cannot do that as I am only capable of one way of acting : RL Etiquette Hence the misunderstandings which you are perpetuating No Bruce. I at least am not judging you by some 'internet etiquette', and I don't think Longknife or at least most of the rest of the people here are either. I fully expect you to be just about exactly as you are on this forum in the 'real world', and the same goes for almost everyone else here. Thanks for still debating with me ..you could just ignore me but I will be honest in response. Almost all people will have 2 personalities, an Internet one and one in RL...I shouldnt have to point this out to you? I have only one, my RL one. Thats why I dont get most of the insults....but I'm not stupid Longknifes post was suppose to be very critical and I assumed he thought I would be offended as I would realize he is on to me But I can only be honest, he is wrong. But lets say he was right ...its would mean I am a false and deeply dysfunctional person. It would mean I have been lying for 3 years to everyone.... And you say you think that is fact and in RL you assume I am like that.....but why would you want to engage with someone like that? I wouldn't want to ....so unless you have really bad friends why would you truly believe LK and yet engage with me?

... Barti you are funny with your pictures But yes Volo has drained me ....well I'm finishing off this thread now as I am tired ..its not just Volo. We have been debating for a while now and its been very fruitful but its time to chill

[spoilered only to save screen space.] If I have time later, I may add to what you say here, but I want to at least say I very much appreciate the energy and time you took to write that, and I agree 100% with your observations on Bruce. While they very likely might be lost on Bruce himself (and seem to be based on his replies), know at least that you are not alone in your observation and opinion on this matter. Thank you for writing what you wrote. Yes I keep saying that, Im glad he wrote that because I now understand the issue Some people judge me on expected Internet etiquette, I cannot do that as I am only capable of one way of acting : RL Etiquette Hence the misunderstandings which you are perpetuating

Yeah we cool with swords....but you do realize some people think I'm a troll so you should get others views

No no, please, I couldn't possibly have more. Barti you need to read Longknifes post about me, it may make lots of sense but its 90 % wrong But its a good read as a lesson in Internet misunderstandings

Volo this will be the last time I respond to you in this thread, to be honest you are draining me as your interpretations of what I mean are always so wrong I think you tolliing But of course we will have other debates , I just mean I am leaving this debate so dont take it the wrong way Actually companies normally get blamed...not the people. For example in the 2008 financial crisis Im sure no one can name anyone who was charged ...yet you remember the actual banks As I have explained for the third time to you what Hogan did is much worse for me And yes I dont think its right what Gawker did with the lady celebrates...its worse than what they did with Hogan as he is real attention seeker....he is a wrestler and he was involved in a immoral act

Are you seriously saying that something between consenting adults is "worse" than something done without consent? Because AFAIK Hogan and Heather Clem were consenting adults in what they did but they did not consent to being filmed or to having said film distributed by Gawker. Yes for me much worse, this is a subjective judgement I have been very lucky in life, I have always had very good guy friends, I mean we share everything about ourselves and we completely trust each other and can rely on each other. Some of friends I have been friends with for 15-20 years Most of my friends are married or have serious girlfriends and I am also always very good friends with the ladies ..but its a real respect and friendship that is outside my male friends. I was raised in a matriarch society and I really appreciate my friendships with women, in fact I often enjoy doing things with women that most men would find boring, in other words " women things " But for a man to be true friends with a women he has to learn to not act on any physical attraction if it surfaces , its fine to be attracted to a lady friend but you must control how you respond. So there was and always is immense trust between me and all my guy friends about there lady partners, for example my friend would go away for a month for work and I would come down from JHB and stay with his fiancee for weekends. We would party together, sleep in the same house and even the same bed but there was never anything that made the situation uncomfortable The level of trust was unequivocal and this only made our 3 friendships more durable . So when I hear about someone who is prepared to let his wife sleep with someone like Hogan I lose immense respect for how dysfunctional that relationship really is...despite the fact they probably think " we have a open relationship which makes us stronger as a couple " Get divorced and then sleep with who you want....but seriously a wife and her husband being happy with that is just .....appalling for me So yes what Hogan did was morally worse, spiritually worse and a mockery of what a marriage is This is truly rich, coming from someone who champions gay and transgender rights, and repeatedly has said there's nothing wrong with that lifestyle at all. Absolute Platinum! Guys you both doing the same thing Lonkgknife did, you judging me on Internet etiquette yet I am coming from RL etiqutte @ Vals Please explain how what I said in that post contradicts my belief in gay rights....and yes I do support gay rights @ Hoon No idea what a duck means? Why is my comment about women funny, if you met me in RL you would see its real. Its not such a big deal to enjoy the friendship of women