BruceVC

I have to say the Brexit polls are incredibly close, all major pollsters give results more or less 40% in and 40% out and 20 % undecided....the undecided can really decide of this momentous vote, I dont like those odds

Oby.... I'm doing fine, no need to worry about me but I appreciate the sentiment and concern

....Unless she's indicted. Which obviously isn't going to happen so Leferd is correct How is it "obviously" not going to happen? She is not going to get indicted....its obvious?

....Unless she's indicted. Which obviously isn't going to happen so Leferd is correct

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2016/05/27-unhappiness-in-america-graham?utm_campaign=Brookings+Brief&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=30176694&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9rHAUzSTnfC7Iybb9fSIhXu2KXzbJlbQcfEEBa7qibRMFWdEk5nmWhf8tAQUlvvMZ9cnGa9plxOB8tY5Z79iGJ9TrgcA&_hsmi=30176694 Guys here is an interesting article around suggested reasons for why so many white Americans seem so angry Its a good read and I think much of if you guys will agree with but read the whole article, the first paragraph is part of the conclusion at the end so dont get put off by that

Ouch !!! Enjoy leveling

Details grassphopper details ? How was it ? How was the Avo...did it taste okay?

What exactly are you referring to? UK leaving the EU or any country leaving the EU? I dont ever get excited about any country that is going through economic pressures or will make a decision that will harm its economy The problem is more people like you who live in stable first world countries but support the breakup of the EU ...its fine you living in Canada with no real social or economic issues so of course throwing around terms like " enslavement " or " European Nazi policies " are fun and vogue because frankly you don't think a collapse or weakening of the EU will impact you ...but it will you just dont understand the consequences

The power of what now? The power meaning the appeal of left-wing populism.... You... do realize that most of Sanders' positions wouldn't count as "radical" or "populist" in any way, shape or form here in Europelandia, right? I'm no sure if we talking about the same policies, wanting to breakup the numerous US global investment banks is radical and would be considered radical anywhere in the world?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-nearly-6-million-raised-veterans-paid-152010326.html?ref=gs Guys Trump attacking the media like this surly can't be acceptable ..... He lashed out at the media unnecessarily IMO, he tends to get very emotional

The power of what now? The power meaning the appeal of left-wing populism....so things Sanders has said which resonates with his supporters

Guys does anyone know how to hide certain markers on the Map? I normally hide " Undiscovered Locations " but I'm not sure how to do it now

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron Guys nearly 90 % of UK economists said Brexit is bad idea, lets listen to the experts on this matter ?

People really seem to be drawn to him Never underestimate the power of left-wing populism and a likable personality

I see there are some nice UI changes that have been added I logged on now and noticed some improvements like how items are displayed in the Inventory

There are plenty of potential negative developments that can occur if the UK leaves the EU For example just not having the same access to the EU free trade zone or having additional tariffs on UK goods exported to the EU would be economically detrimental to the UK?

I don't think there is anything seriously wrong with the board But some members can be a little more polite and reasonable to new members. We also shouldn't feel the need to perhaps overreact to every strange thing a new member may post or say? So for example, a new member comes to the forum and says something maybe controversial. The reaction from this should be measured perhaps as new people dont know the various forum personalities and maybe have a understandable, negative response from the amount of vitriol they receive ?

You very seldom follow-up on certain interesting comments you make so I hope you do on this one What is your definition of "Yuroppan countries are outside the EU" Oh Bruce, really, HoonDing is all about shooting one-liners and not following up on anything. Sometimes he has a point, and sometimes, like here, he doesn't. Besides, with a minimal amount of research you'd figure it out: There are only two truly prosperous European nations that are not members of the European Union: Norway and Switzerland (I apologize to any posters from Iceland ). The former draws most of its wealth from natural resources and the latter from all sorts of criminal cash deposits (I'd write no offense meant but that wold be a lie ). While both are not members of the EU they all have a large number of treaties with the EU and enjoy many benefits without the most perceivable downsides like net budget contributions and overbearing EU regulations, but also the downside of being affected by some EU regulations without being able to partake in the decision making process. So far it would seem the, uhm, benefits outweigh the downsides. For populist parties they're also generally the go-to examples of wealthy states that do not need the EU to be prosperous, but it's very problematic to assume a nation could leave the EU and copy either Norway or Switzerland because of their very unique positions. Both could, though, serve as a template for a much needed EU reform by cutting back on the bureaucratic overhead and taking a few steps back to what the EU used to be in the past, a unifying economic pact, not a supra-national entity steeped in indecision and corruption. You have made some very good observations and comments, thanks for sharing Yes I agree about Hoonding, he often makes interesting points but then refuses to get pulled into a debate. I am always fascinated by human nature and the human psyche. In RL I find it relatively easy to understand human nature and expected results but I find myself often confused by the responses of some people on forums like this. For example going back to Hoonding he clearly has knowledge of certain things we discuss yet he wont go into detail once he initiates the conversation...its a strange way to interact with people? I see what you guys mean by those two countries and as you said the right wing would make the comparison but my whole argument is to leave the EU once you are member for many years is much harder than people may assume. The entire way a country's financial, economic and political structures become aligned to how the EU requires them to be. So now you want to leave the EU and revert back to previous structures....fine in theory but much harder to do in practice

So Finland is to be protected from leaving the EU on the same basis that Finland shouldn't have declared independence from Russia in 1917: Because of bad economical forecasts. Got it. It may sound simplistic and myopic but yes, the economic outcome should be the most influential The problem is groups like the right wing, nationalists or EU skeptics have helped to change the narrative where this is not the focus What do you think is more relevant?

Thats irrelevant to the broader economic consequences of leaving the EU, so in summary my point is most countries who leave the EU will achieve what they think matters, border control and no more orders from Brussels My point is the severe economic consequences that will follow will have such a terrible impact the positive will be forgotten

Once again I appreciate your input I was just using Finland as an example because Meshugger lives there so the points I made are more common to all countries that may decide to leave the EU but these points would be less relevant to certain EU countries than others. So you right we need to look at each country separately. Realistically I dont consider Finland a country that will ever leave the EU, this is a good thing IMO But leaving EU will absolutely have different outcomes for different member states For example the UK will have less negative economic impact than most EU countries if it leaves....but there will be a negative impact. The question would be " how long will it last " But I would like to discuss Finland as you have good insights. What is the Finnish economy based on...is it banking, services, tourism? Do you know percentage figures based on GDP? I know I can google this myself but I am more interested in the personal views of an actual Finnish citizen

You very seldom follow-up on certain interesting comments you make so I hope you do on this one What is your definition of "Yuroppan countries are outside the EU"

Meshugger\KP I am going to share something with you that I wasn't going to because I thought you may see it as something negative..and I'm not sure if the other members who live in the EU are aware of this Okay the good news and really relevant point is you should see the EU as something grand and successful, Sure you have problems but it should be seen as an amazing experiment that works ....yet it requires certain structures and rules. You should be very happy and content in the EU and despite some complaints like Brussels the idea of leaving the EU is not a real option But lets say you are determined you want to leave !!!! And lets use Finland and say you represent the ruling right party There isn't any leaving the EU, not really. This is the truth that no one wants to understand, the EU works but it could only work through components like a single currency, central financial controls and then of course the integration into the free market within the EU Its genius and many other unions tried to copy this model and failed ..like the African Union But it is also inherently a trap ...a real economic conundrum that any country wanting to leave will realize...so lets explain the ending in points and please dispute them or ask other questions Somehow a right wing party would win the referendum in the country (this alone a herculean task ) and leave the EU The EU troika would by now have given up on this country and would be preparing Finland's exit but they would be annoyed and would have to make a surreptitious point...a realistic but conceivable point to make sure no other countries follow Finland All Finish visas within the EU would be expired in 3 months or so and all Finnish citizens would be forced to return to Finland to reapply. But now most positions would be fulled by other EU candidates Almost every single hedge fund or investor would pull out of Finland, I cannot stress this enough as there would be almost no chance an investor in Finland would stay before Finland leaves the EU due to all the uncertainty around the economy Finland would return to using the Finnish markka, initially the value of the Finnish markka would be practicly worthless. So we are also talking about all the numerous financial issues with using a weak currency There would be huge pressure on every financial instituon in Finland as the various banks work out how they will now incorporate the new currency The credit rating agencies would downgrade Finland to Junk status All these points effectively means Finland would be under unprecedented economic pressure, I doubt anyone in Finland would remember what its like to go from first to third world. Its not the fault of people in the EU but all these right wing groups screaming for " sovereignty ", " down with the EU " and "self-rule " are looking at this whole thing from a nationalistic perspective. They cannot possibly predict or understand the real economic pressure this will put on the counttry Finally imagine the reality ....Finland leaves the EU !!! And now what? No longer does Brussels dictate policy and no longer are immigrant quotas enforced on Finland but at what cost? A country outside the EU that use to be part of the EU seems like a lonely and ultimately pointless place to be at? What real economic benefit does this bring to the citizens and that should be the only question these right wing groups should be asking themselves " does leaving the EU bring real and sustainable benefit to its citizens" For me the answer is an unequivocal NO

Huh? You mean there are women outside strip clubs....I find that hard to believe

Volo you cant seriously expect to produce a link with almost no evidence and think it will be taken seriously ?