Azdeus

Yet ignoring new computerlaws allowing the government to basically read through your email and whatnot. (Atleast viable as an arguement in Sweden plus the new EU Swift agreements). It's not that expensive to get a quite decent rig nowadays, if you just start out with a decent motherboard you can later on upgrade it even more cheaply and reusing some of the old parts (Case, HDD and fans for instance.) I could never with good conscience buy a consolegame for 60-70€, feels like such a ripoff to me. :/

Did'nt really do anything for me either, but then again - none of the names mentioned means anything to me. That said there are alot of details, like the heart on the belly of the girl right next to the middle lamppost. Thanks Generally speaking I'm more fond of quality well formulated verbal assaults, caricatures are too simplistic.

Well, when people feel cheated they do react in intresting manners. :D Just curious, how long did it take? 15 minutes?

Just read through this, basically a summary of Bobby Koticks statements and changes through Blizzivison. It's old stuff, basically, and I've heard all that **** before - but reading it as a summary my eyeballs damn near popped out of my sockets. What a rotten bastard.

While I agree that the analogy is flawed, I don't agree with the reason. Ease of copy would have it's effect on pricing, not second hand sales. It's flawed because the car industry already has a functional alternate revenue stream that doesn't care if a car is sold or resold - spare parts. From what I understand, their profit margin there is significantly higher than on a new car. I suppose this is what DLC is trying to mimic, but as it's still in it's infancy, it's nowhere there yet. The car analogy with spareparts does'nt work in comparison to DLC's, since spare parts more equals patches. DLC's are more like optional extras; Carbon ceramic breaks and doubleclutch gearboxes. Or atleast they should very much be optional extras. Yes, it is, atleast secondhand copies are'nt pirated copies of games. On the whole I agree with your arguements, many stores would go down if it was'nt for second hand sales.

Well, complaints do tell developers that someone thinks something is wrong though, I'm not particularly a fan of the Ion Cannon - but the Wiggy Supermutant was explained more in detail later, wich mostly made people settle down a bit - though much of that reaction is due to people not having much faith in Bethesda/Obsidian not making the game over the top silly. I think that was alot of frustration from many members that found something easy to pick apart, and also something that detracted somewhat from tactical gameplay and over-simplifying the gameplay mechanics in VATS - that was said to allow oldschool players to play F3 as the predecessors. But groin shots would'nt have been anywhere near as much fun without the textbox. Well, to be fair - or atleast as it's been told to me - most of the rage over F:POS was due to the fact that Interplay promised a new Fallout-style game if people bought Fallout Tactics, and instead people got a Dark Alliance clone. Could be having my timeline fubar'd though.

I don't think so, NMA might be hardcore fallout fans, but they're generally not silly - except when they are doing it intentionally.

During the time I spent with him they refused, even though we could show them video evidence and paper evidence he was nowhere near a computer (Besides the ECU of the car, and the laptop programming it). This was only a few days though, don't know what happened later since I have'nt discussed matters of computergames with him afterwards. I can't generally comment on Sweden, and most of my friends are members/voters of/for Pirate Party so their opinions are'nt exactly mainstream. Though the Swedish PC Gamer forums seems to have quite a few Steam users, I don't know if they really like it or just use it because it's comfortable.

In his defence, he did say; @Thorton_AP; Depends on how cynical you are, as far as I read it he did'nt make a sound resembling "pricing" anywhere.

He's saying that, I don't have his account details and I have'nt spoken with him in a while, don't know if it was temporary or not - only coherent information I could get from him at that time was "The #

Yep, and the whole concept also reeks as a PR scheme to get away with paying for Demo's. "Lulz", I'm losing more and more faith in humanity with each passing day. And I'm 25 years old...

Indeed, the id

*Looks around the room, coughs* Right, whatever you say. *Grin* I'm not saying Steam does'nt have something for anyone, but I just don't happen to need any of it. My mate got his Steam account shut down for cheating, though knowing that he's never cheated at anything during the 15 years I've known him, and the time he was supposed to be playing he was doing something completely different - we both suspected he'd had his password stolen/hacked. He still lost his entire game library due to that. @Purkake; I live across the Baltic Sea from you, so sez the location indicated in my profile.

Oh, gee thanks for that slap in the face. It's got **** all to do with change, I would've disliked it even if it was an 20 year old idea. Would'nt mind a poll though, sounds fun.

Don't rightly know, I'm not an economist - but I don't like to gamble either. And I've yet to loose track of a game I've lended to someone, or misplaced/broken any CD's. It's not that bad, I've gotten most of my old DOS games working, although I have'nt tried it on this specific computer yet. The Steam library might do it automatically, but there are strings attached. For instance; I've lost track of the number of games I've bought and sold second hand. If I buy a Steam game and I am displeased with it, I'd have to sell my account with the game aswell (Wich the TOS does'nt allow. Pricks.) or just plain keep it.

Granted, but I still have the physical copy - wich I am quite certain will last longer than your Steam copies. Wich I did touch at in my previous post.

Sure, as a medium for buying low-cost games it's unbeatable. But I don't want to rely on something as untangible as an digital library when it comes to money I invested into my entertainment library, especially if I pay 500 sek per game, considering I earn(ed) roughly 9000 sek a month. There is no certainty that Steam will stay alive for aslong as i have had many of my physical games; Hell, many of the companies of my favourite games are long since dead ( Some developers at Obsidian are from those companies), but I still have my physical copies. And if Steam collapses, there is no real guarantee that the games you bought will be available to you afterwards in the same way. That and I hate the forced updates it "provides" me with. Edit; The DRM part is also a source of annoyance, though compared to what I wrote before it's somewhat minor - as DRMs go that is. Edit 2; Flood control is also a source of annoyance to me right now.

I'm more concerned about the fact that you don't actually "own" the product you've payed solid money for. Physical copies makes so much more sense, and gives you a greater sense of ownership and security.

Great, now I'm reminded I need to see that movie sometime aswell. Specially since I don't really get any connection from watching the video.

Indeed, and I liked the thought of them containing "fallout" instead of snow, but then again - I'm a sucker for double entendres.

I could'nt care less about Bethesda, Obsidian is of greater importance to me. But what you said is good to hear atleast, I don't want to lose access to my favourite developers games. Damn Naziworks! There; Godwin's law fullfilled.

I'm more concerned about Steamworks than what texture the collectibles in the game uses. I hope it does'nt weasel it's way into their other games.

Followed it through gaming mags, read some about it over the internet, said it would contain; C&C, not a fantasy or sci-fi setting, and it being Obsidian that developed it made me want to buy it. I went and bought it a few hours after I read PCGamers review on it that alleviated any fears I had about it being a buggy mess of bugs.

What are you, the Shriners?

The minigames could've been made optional with a skillcheck of sorts, would've preferred that myself, they are'nt especially challenging in most cases - just tedious.