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Orogun01
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2 hours ago, ComradeMaster said:
I consider Bernie left-liberal, whilst I'd consider myself left-libertarian. I guess you could call that "Socialism with American values" if you wanted to.
Put simply, left-liberals seem to want to adopt the Euro model, whilst I reckon we have our own way of doing things over here.
I would love to hear what economic model we should have, one of the few things I think won Bernie a bunch of supporters was his claim that America was already a socialist country. On the aftermath of economic recession and corporate bailouts that did nothing. I can see why a bunch of college graduates that are joining a hostile economy and job market would lean towards socialism
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6 hours ago, Gromnir said:
mlk, was not in favor o' the "black power" phrase. true. mlk focus were indeed on economic equality. is one reason we keep stressing how is the economic pain being suffered by many disenfranchised groups which should be the focus o' those wishing to bring 'bout change.
As a first generation immigrant I can tell you for certain that anyone can prosper in this country. People that have barely the basics of English have made a decent living, for having left their lives behind and started anew, I'd say that's a pretty good place. More so their offspring that have had more time to adapt will likely make it further than them.
As a former ghetto resident, I can say that a lot of the economic pain is self inflicted and stems from cultural problems rather than systemic ones. If there's a systemic problem it might be the welfare state that incentivizes indolence and poverty
Tomas Sowell has spoken a lot about this and his background is as someone from one of these communities. I find his take on the difference of a pre welfare Harlem to what it became.
It is also worthy of note that the group that claims to care more about minorities is also the group that's very supportive of heavy taxation. California and NY will do a big show about how they care about minorities while have some of the biggest taxes in the country. If the purpose of welfare programs is to help people out of poverty why are they so keen to take their money when they're just barely out of the poverty threshold?-
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13 hours ago, ComradeMaster said:
Every ideology has its fans, there's people in Cuba and Venezuela who support their governments wholeheartedly.
I think the biggest issue here people have is lack of Democracy rather than different economic approaches. Look at Europe at the 2nd half of the 20th century. Socialist parties were all over the place and doing well and when the pendulum swung in the 1980's or so they started waning in popularity. Democracy.
EDIT: China is a whole different animal. There's no legitimate democracy there but their government is able to adapt to popular moods and change accordingly unike the U.S.
An expert on Chinese affairs once said that in China you can't change the Party but you can change the policy, in the U.S. you can change the Party but you can't change the policy.
I think there's a lot of validity to that.
I agree that there's a diversity of views but it takes a special type of person that will support a dictatorship. Venezuela still enjoys certain doubts because their government doesn't have a past as violent as the Cuban (AIFK). There were purges, the Mariel incident were dissidents and other undesirable elements were sent over, open discrimination against homosexuals ,and the dictatorship is still very open about their corruption. People in Cuban politics are either idealistic and think they can bring about change or shamelessly evil. Saying that it is a lack of Democracy is an understatement when I know Cuba has violated human rights time and time again.
The focus on Democracy comes from trying to counteract some of the more appealing positions socialist parties and institutions make. Because Americans are pretty involved in their political process and because of the Bill of Rights, they rightfully fear a government that would deny them that. -
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31 minutes ago, Amentep said:
We ask that the users of this board treat one another with respect, even when opinions differ. Please remember to discuss issues and ideas and not other users, their mindsets or motivations.
Nah, at this point we're family I hope no one gets to wound up about a disagreement. BTW, I haven't asked...who's the new avatar?
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21 minutes ago, ComradeMaster said:
I can beat the game with just the Beretta so I guess it's one of those "My son of a bitch" type of deals when it comes to mechanics. Most people don't like top-down isometric turn based games anymore because of the slug pacing and poor mimic of realism but that never stopped the "sons of bitches" who like it from getting Kickstarter content out of it.
....You mean it was just me hoarding all the ammo in case I needed for a boss?
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15 minutes ago, ComradeMaster said:
Resident Evil 1 (1996)
After almost 25 years I'm still addicted to this game.
You know what!? Someone really ought to do a Kickstarter and try to recapture the goodness of the original. Who can we enlist for this task?
Is it going to have tank controls and poor aiming mechanics?
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@Gromnir feel free to ignore this question but is the reason you take offense to that particular post personal? or do you really believe I'm a white supremacist?
I just thought you kept bringing it because it makes me look bad and lawyers are taught to very good at spinning things.-
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14 minutes ago, BruceVC said:
Its been a serendipitous time for me when you returned because I am very glad to say you represent a group of Trump supporters that I had no information on before the last election .....we were told that most of the Hispanic community would vote for Clinton because of how racist Trump was and how he wanted to deport all Mexicans and people from the region.But he actually only said illegal immigrants must be deported and had no issue with people arriving legally So if I can guess about your journey in the USA, let me know what I am wrong about
Your family was forced to leave Cuba by the Castro regime....what was the reason so many Cubans were forced to leave Cuba...political persecutions ?That is why you have such a dislike of socialism ...it played a huge part in forcing many Cubans to leave there own country and you are part of the Florida Hispanic and this group is loyal to Trump
Would you go back to live in Cuba if Trump was gone because it may that simple because you are an American now. How are Hispanic community in Florida feeling about the virus and how are you guys personally?
When Trump won in the last election I was shattered and really upset because this was not suppose to happen ,,,,,everyone said Trump would never win. Anyway a couple of days later I was much better and went off
The thing about America media is that they tend to bundle minorities into the same groups. The reality is, that all minorities in the US have different opinions about everything. Now Cubans mostly lean right because we left a leftist authoritarian government. Yet despite that, there are Cubans that do lean left. My second mother who was a teacher is very left leaning, likely due to teacher unions having a big pull in S Florida. One of my other mothers, (don't ask mama was a rolling stone) could be diagnosed with Trump derangement syndrome. She just hates the guy no matter what and no matter how little she knows about procedures. We are talking blaming Trump for mistakes made by the state governor that has more authority over the state than Trump. It is a common thing with Hispanics, since we generally come from autocratic governments. That we can't fathom the idea of a state governor having more of a say than the president of the US.
I can say that all around my neighborhood I've seen several Trump signs, very mixed signs when it comes to the local elections (both blue and red) but not one Biden sign.
As for Trump deportation of immigrants...it is a tough issue but....Obama cancelled the privilege that Cubans had where we would be citizens on touching US ground (probably because we didn't vote Hillary) it is not that we don't care about other nationalities, because we share the same experience with them. Literally we work,met and share our life with almost everyone from South America, that's a given in South Florida where you can point to an area and say "Thats' where the Venezuelan live" and the same for other nationalities.
The turning point for me personally was a story about a Salvadorian business owner that refused to pay MS-13 protection money. He sent his family to the US; his wife and daughter, so that they would be safe while he kept the fight for his business....The story is going to get dark now but....MS-13 operates within the US, they tracked his family took the daughter and...you can guess the rest. The full package mind you.
So when it came to immigration I took the view that, those that are fleeing the horrors of their countries should be followed by them because of our support of illegal immigration. Quite frankly, a lot of people emigrate because of necessity not because of desire, the goodwill of the American people would be better spent in asking that Hispanic countries are helped to develop so that people have opportunities rather than allowing illegals to struggle in the US.
It just goes back to that whole, the media bundles all minorities together, so the Venezuelan mechanical engineer is better of making low wages in the US than they would be if their country didn't fall.
I'm not asking for some manifest destiny crap but it would be great if Hispanics in the US could both organize and have enough funds to aid their countries political situation.
I don't think we were forced to leave Cuba...I mean we chose to. Some people that had the chance refused and some that made it to the US actually went back. Its always a spectrum, but the reason we left was because like a lot of people, we didn't have a future in Cuba. Particularly my family that had already been rejected by the government, literally: One of my mothers was a Cuban foreign diplomat that got to travel abroad until her gender preference was discovered. She and my biological mother then became outcasts, by which I mean that they weren't eligible for state jobs and their record had it marked that they were lesbians.
As for the virus, we Floridians pretty much own the fact that we are the most corrupted state in the US and we understand that if you get stabbed to death but had a fever and coughs...you died of Covid. It is inevitable when you have a disease that keeps people away from hospitals but incentives cases of said disease. When people stop going to their regular checkup because of Covid you best believe that hospitals will have a lot of Covid deaths, just to get federal funding and survive.
I dislike Socialism currently because after much study I understand that it and Communism fail because of a single individual; that's unqualified to make decisions on every topic, goes unchallenged whenever they propose something stupid. You only have to look at Lysenkoism or Mao's Four pest campaign to understand the failure of having only one option for the whole country.
Despite having lived through socialism, I've met several Cuban leftists that do fall for the US media trapping of equating leftism with classical liberal values. Those are the ones that hate Trump but can't really support the left as it touts the banner of the socialism that they left behind.
If I go back to Cuba it would be over a weekend and just to walk the city that I grew up in. See the sights, indulge the memories and revel in nostalgia...but I never have and I don't know if I will. I fear both that It will be marred by changes in the landscape and the fact that I no longer share the same life experience as my compatriots. It's akin to being born in prison, it is a culture within itself but once you're outside people just ask about what you can do for them.Trump was the anti-establishment choice, this was a thing long time coming. Same as Brexit and other swings to the right. People just had enough of both parties breaking promises and going against the electorate's will. Trump actually capitulated on this and ran as an Anti War, Anti SJW, Anti Establishment, moderate (except his promise to build the wall) All the people that were tired of the war and this forced insane political correctness voted for him.
Honestly as far as my vote in 2016, I would have lost complete hope in the voting process and America if Trump didn't get elected. If the establishment had won back then I probably be just as outraged as Bernie voters are right now(Antifa).
Anyways I hope that covers your doubts, sorry for the long post
TL;DR: This is really just for Bruce but feel free to opine
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2 minutes ago, Malcador said:
Bruce probably idolizes Rhodesia.
Come on, I know this is going to sound extremely weird coming from me but.... let's be civil. We can have disagreements whilst knowing most people are decent and want the best for mankind.
I don't expect Bruce to around with a machine gun shooting black Africans anymore than I expect you to be one of those filthy Franco Canadians that expect everyone to speak their stupid language and discriminate against English speakers. Only because their stupid accent makes them sound retarded in English, I hooked up with a Quebeqian girl and I felt bad....until I realized she wasn't retarded she just had an accent.-
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8 minutes ago, KaineParker said:
For someone who is convinced about a decades long campaign of ideological subversion by various foreign powers you've seemingly done no research into what those ideologies actually are.
Communism good Capitalism bad?
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48 minutes ago, BruceVC said:
I must say you make me laugh sometimes
But I am enjoying our chats since you have got back and if you dont mind me asking where did you go and are you prepared to share your voting choice and why, I would guess you voting Trump?
Dan is voting Trump and his reasons make sense, Dan feels Trump is better at ensuring law and order. I have to agree with that considering the protracted and violent levels of strikes we witnessed for months ....I am truly surprised how very few of our American members were concerned about this event and how long it went on for?
Then he is concerned with Biden going a far left and or socialist path.....last year I would have said " its not possible " but I have become more aware of a real risk from far left polices
What do you think is the best way forward to address groups like Antifa, would you arrest them. Surly the law needs to be enforced?
I likewise enjoy talking with you. You're probably on of the most patient and considerate posters in here.
I am voting Trump, same reason I voted Trump back in 2016: I don't like establishment politicians. That's probably a view shared by a lot of Americans, specially after 2 decades of conflict in the middle east, the fall of the middle class and the bailout. The push to the far left in America is a result of this, Bernie Sander said it best when he equated socialism to social planning and that we now have social planning for the rich, so why can't we have it for the poor.
Unfortunately a lot of people just look at what they stand to gain short term and ignore the long term failures of a state run economy. Simply put, you trust a mechanic to fix your car but you would be wary of a state appointed administrator that doesn't know a wheel from a carburetor directing the fixing of your car. Socialism fails because it promotes based on ideology and inner politics rather than merit.
Antifa is already being dealt with in a way, from journalist Andy Ngo (he was attacked by Antifa) crusade to hold violent members accountable by tweeting their PUBLIC arrest records. To the Trump administration deputizing State and Local PD in these areas in order to bypass District Attorneys that won't prosecute these violent criminals and instead charge them in a Federal court.
The problem is that Antifa is just a symptom not a disease, they are the result of ideological subversion and a corporatist culture that has grown unchecked and denied constitutional rights to citizen. Whilst telling you that you're being whiny just because you can afford a smartphone.-
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6 minutes ago, KaineParker said:
The "far left" (unless using a definition so expansive anyone outside of Trump's sphere is "far left") hates Kamala Harris (a Black Indian woman) for being a prosecutor who described herself as a "top cop". I don't think they're going to respond positively to a someone of a POC, LGBT, Woman, Indigenous, Muslim, or other marginalized identity (or identities) who has beliefs in line with the Trump team. Considering your stated beliefs on a CHINESE COMMUNIST CONSPIRACY TO DESTROY AMERICA AND CUCK THE WHITE MAN THROUGH DEGENERATE ART AND UNIVERSITIES you'd think you'd have bothered to investigate what your opposition actually thinks instead of relying on youtube comments or imageboards, but I guess your light research is reserved for genocide revisionism.
A study of the ideals of the far left its like studying Schrodinger's Cat, Entropy or the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Its going to end in the same conclusion; you just don't know.
But because of the tremendous focus America has on identity politics for some reason that insane ideology is being promoted by the mainstream. Or perhaps because the mainstream eschewed nuance for identity politics for so long; in order to gain voters, now they have created a monster they don't know how to deal with.-
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9 minutes ago, Gromnir said:
dog whistle much?
the suggestion being a woman and person o color "meets all the requirements o' the far left" will be the fox news and breitbart spin. thanks for being the obsidian board voice box for the conservative media echo chamber. such silliness will be yet another way for trump to make race and gender issues. choose a woman evangelical who is public opposed to roe v. wade and suggest she meets requirements o' liberals is what we expect and should be transparent and hollow... but it will play to the trump base.
HA! Good Fun!
The focus of the far left rhetoric pretty much involves race and gender; at least at face value, qualifications never come into play when they demand that more POC, women and LGTB should hold positions of power like CEO. Why would they care that a POC, woman or LGTB doesn't accurately represent their views anymore that they care if a business fails?
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7 minutes ago, Gromnir said:
already addressed in our ps.
trump wants to juice his campaign and distract from covid-19. is gonna be a hard push from the wh to get this done before november 3.
am also thinking mcconnell believes he won't have the political clout to get a lame duck appointment through senate. mcconnell is more concerned with his legacy o' fed court appointments than anything else, which is why this has been the most unproductive Congress in modern history. mitch has tabled everything but appointments.
am honest not sure how this all plays out 'cause trump is impulsive and often irrational. that said, am suspecting the best predictor o' what becomes the strategy for trump and the republicans is to watch fox the next couple days.
HA! Good Fun!
I think the Trump campaign will nominate a candidate that meets all the requirements of the far left.(Woman, POC) but that still has core republican values. Part of what has driven Trump's approval rating is how transparent the far left has been about their dislike of Trump to the detriment of their own values and stated goals.
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8 minutes ago, Malcador said:
Just that have seen their petulant reactions over the years to any criticism, heh, our local PD pretty much trots out "Don't give us a budget increase and there'll be crime!". And have read comments by cops and in news of cops resigning due to the apparent demonization of them. As usual Americans find it too hard to think on why something is rather than react to the thing.
So it's pretty believable that cops would start dogging it on the job, being upset that some set of individuals are not giving them the reverence they seem to need to operate day in day out.
Funnily enough, according to the usual cop forums I read this, too, is part of the Marxist plan to destroy America
Ok, I get where you're coming from but right now they're in the position where there's a national push for politicians to defund the police. If you are hostile to someone do expect them to be hostile back to you. Plus, it is unreasonable to ask people to risk their lives on the daily and see pretty horrific things for a low pay. Even cops that join the force because of their values will become disenfranchised. They're already probably feel very ostracized because of their job experience, a little praise and respect is probably what they get from the job.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for police accountability but I understand the difference between a human doing their job and some bureaucrat PoS that's playing politics in their favor. At this time, PDs seem to be fighting the political establishment to do their jobs, in a lot of states. The Portland riots only died down after the Federal government deputized the State and local PDs because the District Attorney refused to prosecute any rioter.-
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5 minutes ago, Malcador said:
Cops being babies, as usual.
I sincerely hope this is either venting or an attempt to humor.
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4 minutes ago, HoonDing said:
i rather give my data to China & Russia than UK & US
You could always move there, here's something to get you started.
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2 hours ago, StupidSeal said:
I recall hearing the same thing! I doubt it's all in your head. In other words you are not crazy. Well, not yet.
I think its time we told you that every avatar in these forum is one of the personalities of the some schizophrenic. I don't who he is we never met him or her.
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18 minutes ago, Achilles said:
Early in the epidemic, experts said that the number would need to approach 1% to be a big ****ing deal.
Keeping in mind that many people who get COVID and survive are ****ed for life. If not by the major cardiovascular changes, then by the debilitating medical bills.
Oh, and I'm assuming that "unregulated" is your attempt at humor?
Not an attempt at humor just the reality of mail in voting is too vulnerable to fraud and states inability to deal with the process. Mail in voting in smaller, state election has proven so. It would be a mess with the numbers of a presidential election. Suffice to say that whomever wins if people don't trust the voting process then the country will likely ignite.
So tell me, what makes mail in voting more secure than ballots?
Met COVID patients that recovered and some accounts of people that died. However, I live in the most corrupted state in the US, so as long as federal money comes in anyone who coughs before they die, died of COVID. Because of no autopsy requirements, hospitals are just having to rely on Wuhan flu deaths because people are avoiding hospitals because of the Wuhan Flu. So I don't trust the numbers (specially the ones from Florida) Short of it is, if you're rewarded financially because of COVID in times where you're struggling, then COVID is the way to go.Also, how many pre-existing conditions those effed for life people life have? Debilitating medical bills? I'm sure you're happy to know that Trump signed an executive action to lower medical costs: link
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59 minutes ago, Gromnir said:
is a distraction
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
takes a special kinda obtuse to fall for such a distraction but the terrible reality is that near 30% o' the US electorate is that special.
HA! Good Fun!
So according to your data only 5% of cases of corona result in death....so Trump needs a distraction from a virus that has the whole country fed up because they can't go on with their regular lives because Democrats want to push for massive unregulated mailing voting? Because lets face it Trumps wants the economy to reopen, his whole deal is "the economy was doing great until Covid"
But I am enjoying our chats since you have got back and if you dont mind me asking where did you go and are you prepared to share your voting choice and why, I would guess you voting Trump?
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I agree but as a counter example, not every immigrant is successful or capable of adapting. I know of Cubans that actually went back permanently because they failed to adapt, others have been expelled because of their repeat criminal activities in the US.
I think what it clearly means is that there's a bigger chance of seeing those that are successful as they stay longer and become more visible.
My point was to prove that there's a possibility of upper mobility, so as to undermine the idea of systemic racism. That's the key word, because there's obviously the possibility of racism, but the great thing about the US is the number of opportunities you can have or create.
We are pretty much on the same page on this as well, where we differ is the source of Learned helplessness. Classical condition is a tremendous factor in the world view of a person and I saw within the US black communities a lot unchecked contempt that could only be considered racism. There were times I heard people sucking air through their teeth and be dismissive of my suggestions because of arguments that can be summarized by "The man is trying to keep us down" or that schooling and higher education was dismissed because of it being "too white". It might seem cliche but it does shape the view of many a black people when they only way they see themselves out of poverty is through music or sports.
Also part of stepping ahead economically is coming up with a plan of where you want to be in the next few years. I met male nurses that come from these rough areas that made their way up the economic ladder. Because they had a plan to study and follow a career that was affordable enough and quick enough where they could see results.
Tax rate, as in the percent at which you're taxed not the volume of taxes collected. It is a group of different taxes, income, property, etc etc.
You add to that ideological policies that ignore economic realities and you end up with higher good costs. California is a good example since because of environmental reasons their gas cost more, that means that it costs more to transport goods so things are more expensive.