TwinkieGorilla

or it could be said that you're a tad creepy for having your panties so severely in a bunch for me that you need to constantly follow me around with your patented flame-bait. it could also be given an addendum that part of your tactic is to put words in my mouth and twist around my meaning so that you have something to argue about. i'd play along but i'm really just not that into you. sorry. nice try tho.

i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here for two reasons. one being the overwhelming majority of horribly juvenile or poorly written dialogue may have prevented me from being able to notice anything which was actually decent. two being that i have no clue what your standards are. you could be the type of guy who either regularly enjoys a romp with Satre, David Foster Wallace or the latest Forbidden Realms. i can't tell you you're wrong if your standards for dialect, story, humor and drama are below average. i agree there were a few very well done sidequests but to say they made up for the game generally sucking a horse's **** on the racetrack (RIP Wesley Willis) is a bit much. some of it? try all. you blow up one of the biggest settlements (the biggest?) and who notices? your reputation for being "that" person doesn't even travel INSIDE THE GODDAMN HOTEL!!! hahaha, i love how you're trying reverse hyperbole in order to defend FO3. "a bit", eh? let's look at an old post i made back from the Bethesda board days. it details every single difference between the old and new: Yeah, Just a "Bit"

no. i criticize FO3 for it's horrible and embarrassing dialogue, storytelling, it's lack of meaningful C&C, quests, interesting NPC's, it's complete rape of the SPECIAL system rendering it completely meaningless and it's general dumbing-down consolizing and misinterpretation of one of the greatest cRPG series of all time. the fact that i even mention it's "silliness" is to counter your argument about FO2.

heh. i play it nearly once a year (re: every time Kilap releases/updates the RP or his patch).

it's pretty good. not great though. really linear and can get redundant. dude. no. do your brain a favor and just....don't. hahaha, whaaaat? *belly laughing* no really...whaaaaat?? i mean, sure i suppose if you enjoy the whole LARPy exploration simulation and playing dress up with your character. then i guess you could play a game like that forever. if you want a cRPG which is actually interesting though, try Fallout, Fallout 2, Baldur's Gate 2, NWN:MOTB, Arcanum, Deus Ex or Planescape. i'm hard-pressed to think of anything better since the days beyond Zork. ahhhh, screw it...just go and play Zork.

what you've also seemed to have forgotten is everything else. FO2 introduced some excellent in-depth branching dialogue trees which far surpass what FO1 or FO3 have accomplished and an insane amount of quests (many which branched and were considerably more interesting than minor fetching), great utilization of C&C, and tons of interesting NPC interaction and originality to boot. Fallout 3 has barely anything like this. at their best they've got moments which seem like left-overs from the orginals. so even if you took *all* the wackiness out of FO2 you'd still have more meaningful meat than FO3 (and i haven't even mentioned the fact that FO3 has just as much corny "wackiness" as FO2 did. vampires? rednecks straight out of Deliverance? alien spaceships? give me a break, man. it might not have easter eggs with Monty Python references but it's got plenty of cornball to serve up, whether you want to admit it or not). what i'd love to see in a perfect world is a Fallout game as deep in the aforementioned areas as FO2 with the humor cut in half. i doubt Obsidian have the time (who knows if they've got the talent) though.

agreed. and seeing as how they have actual Fallout ties, i think we'll be ok. even if we have to watch it through the hell that is the joke that is gamebryo engine.

hey, you'll never find me defending Bioware, that's for sure. secondly, yes...obviously you would take "Oblivion: Fallout Style" over "Fallout: Wacky Style" but the fact remains one of them is Fallout and the other is Fallout-style. i think Fallout 3 suffers because the developers and writers there have different personalities. different sense of humor, drama and imo...a very immense lack of creativity. they are emulating the personalities of the original developers and they're coming up short. look, making an NPC curse every few words doesn't make it "adult themed" and it doesn't make it interesting. it just makes a bright flashing light that says "we're constantly attempting to make up for the impotent writing with KABOOM!!!" at the end of the day, compared to the spirit, originality and writing of the originals...it's an embarrassment and that's all it is.

yeah well if the devs of FO2 "didn't get" Fallout then i wish Bethesda "didn't get" Fallout. problem is that Bethesda were after a different audience and took only the wrapping of Fallout and used it to make another TES game. while FO2 might feel more like "Fallout: Wacky Style!" the reality is that FO3 feels more like "Oblivian: Fallout Style!"

and you need to go cry in a corner somewhere. don't worry about me, friend.

what kind of bass-ackwards comment is this? your sentiment is endearing in a cutesy "let's all be friends, lol!" sort of way, but it's philosophically and logically mistaken. there is only one proper "vision" for Fallout: the original vision. BIS created Fallout. anything else...let me repeat...ANYTHING else is simply an interpretation of this "vision"-proper. as Mikael said, Bethesda did not get Fallout. their interpretation was misdirected and wrong.

goddamn furry hippie. things are coming regardless of patience or the lack thereof. whether they are "good" is yet to be determined and the most likely cause of all this misdirected member-personality attacking. attention: to the sometimes overly sensitive mods, Mikael and i are buddies from the Fallout community "The Order" no need to put me on mod status or send me a PM for flaming him. this is how we love each other. this is how we do. this. this. this.

Who? me. i mean, i guess. also, no i didn't get mad. this is...like, just my style, man. also i have no idea what you're talking about. also, only thing in this whole thread which rubbed me was the faux-ad hominem directed at me out of nowhere a few pages back.

*yawn*

what. what. no, the one where i questioned what grounds you had to make such a judgment call on my character. what. what. i was riffing off your comment, sarcastically. nothing more, nothing less. you do know what riffing is, yes? what. no really, what. as long as you're happy with yourself at the end of the day. s'all that matters.

not quite, pal. i'm not debating anything with you. i asked you a question to which you gave a half-hearted response which barely qualifies your earlier statement. and let's be clear here, which arguments of mine are you speaking of? because it's been quite some time since i've posted anything serious on the subject though when i have they were clear and concise points. i'd be surprised if you weren't simply puffing out your internet-chest and talking out of your ass. ah yes, indeed. you sir have won the internet!

the **** is this? i *look* a certain way to you? are you saying you've seen my picture and have made a judgment on my character because of this? what are you? 3? oh hey awesome, this guy again...taking a statement and misinterpreting it! cool! hey look! somebody who has actually paid attention to my previous posts and has the wit to understand where my snarky remark was directed. yeah, uh...while that may be true it's not like i haven't, in detail, listed my reasons. so playing the "what you're saying is crazy!" card with me doesn't quite cut it.

On-Topic! (in no way whatsoever, but hey...Sawyer ain't saying **** about NV so what else to talk about?) YOB's brand new album "The Great Cessation" is quite possibly the most transcendent metal album of my lifetime. holy living mother of ****.

meh. FO3 is inherently inferior in every department but the most trite technological advances (re: graphics) and even those are soggy.

what the? you know earth but not Isis? how? yeah, i'd say you do partner! Newest Stuff

yar, Clifford was like a roommate of mine in beantown for almost 4 years or sth. been really fun watching 'em get larger than life.

pshhhhhhhhhhhhh....not that filthy.

no. that was an accident, albeit a good one. yes, but shorter these days. probably. a long weekend filled with much drinking which means many more "morning coffee + internet time-sinks". **** the public!

so Sawyer and i were kickin' it before the Isis show the other night and i was trying to weasel some information out of him but it wasn't working, even after i got him drunk. bastard.

i loved that text box. i think i want to re-install and play teh games just for those boxes. *sad face, nostalgia, etc*