Wrath of Dagon

I didn't say that, I'm saying Saudi Arabia isn't the worst tyranny in the Middle East by a long shot, learn to read.

Yes, I understand it would still be illegal to kids. But the point is the more easily drugs are available and the less stigma attached, the more use can be expected, especially among kids. It's pretty hard to convince your child something is wrong when even the government says it's legal.

Saudi Arabia is quite the tyrannical exception among countries in the Middle East. Is that why they get so much military aid from the US? Or was it the other way around? Saudi Arabia is no exception, and it's not the worst of them, not by a long shot. Oh, the irony!

I agree, but the problem with legalization it'll be easier for kids to get hooked, ruin their lives, and become a burden on society. I don't believe most heroin addicts can hold down a job, so either they'll turn to crime or someone else will have to pay for all their needs and wants.

Don't forget under Sharia law it is punishable by death to convert from Islam to another religion.

So the solution is to create more addicts?

A lot of those are long existing churches, and its true not every Muslim country disallows building of churches. I know Saudi Arabia doesn't allow it.

Freedom is not the same thing as anarchy. A society must regulate itself in some ways, freedom isn't possible among chaos.

Legal drugs -> more addicts -> more crime from addicts trying to support themselves

Demo now out! http://www.histwar.com/news/histwar-les-gr...-available.html

I'm against religious discrimination, but as has been said you can't build a church in Muslim countries at all. Muslims should look at themselves first before complaining.

Yes, it's very cheap to give people free drugs. You realize now you have to provide total support for a completely dysfunctional human being, who can't hold a job or function in society. Drugs used to be legal, they were doing so much damage they had to be criminalized.

Some people do say warming is good and more CO2 will increase food production. Apparently in the past the warm periods coincided with advance of civilization while the cold ones led to decline. Supposedly during the time of the Romans the temps were a full 4oC higher without any of the predicted disasters befalling them. Edit: Also a valid scientific theory is supposed to predict observed data, right now the anthropomorphic global warming theories don't.

The NASA thing is just how much the ice retreats during summer each year, not that it's permanently melted. I think there are some indications it's recovered a bit lately, though it's hard to tell which claims are more credible. In any case that doesn't prove there's global warming or that it's produced by human caused CO2. The only thing that "proved" that were the computer climate models, and they've been shown to have been manipulated, and don't predict current climate, which is what the der Spiegel link I posted is talking about. Another area of debate is whether ice in other places is increasing or decreasing. Until recently it's been thought Antartica is increasing, now may be it's decreasing in some places but not in others, and I think those results are preliminary anyway. I think this thing needs to get a lot less political before the scientific evidence is credible again.

To the extent they are melting, which is also not established, that would be local temperature fluctuations, not "global". The global temperature has been stable for over a decade. The problem is the so-called evidence for global warming is always being played up, while evidence to the contrary is suppressed, both by the biased scientists and their allies in the media.

It occurs to me perhaps we'll gain more by keeping the pervert out of the country the rest of his life than by making him serve 90 days or so in prison and then have him free to do whatever.

Temperatures fluctuating in different parts of the world is nothing unusual, it's always happened. The point is the actual temperatures are not following the alarmist climate models, on which the whole concept of "Global Warming" is predicated.

Desperately seeking Global Warming: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/...,662092,00.html Also the trick explained: http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/...e_the_fix_is_in

It looked like they refer to a guy that lets "junk science" get to peer review simply to promote debate. What exactly do they mean by "junk science?" Science that doesn't agree with their position.

Well, apparently the peer review process for Global Warming is controlled by a small cabal of like minded individuals, who conspired to get rid of anyone in position to challenge them. Several of the leaked e-mails are exactly on this subject. Which will themselves be dwarfed once the politicians get the ability to channel "envromentally friendly" subsidies to their friends. There's a huge business being set up around "Cap and Trade", and everyone who's politically connected is licking their chops in anticipation of the spoils. Something to do with adjusting the data I think, raw data has to be adjusted for other variables to be meanigful. Apparently the raw data which the CRU had claimed disappeared so they wouldn't have to release it has also been leaked, and is being examined now.

All of those. Most scientists are left leaning, and most environmentalists are like water melons, green outside, red on the inside. Edit: Scientific fraud helps also, as is the subject of this thread.

Well, in US we could actually do a lot and benefit economically by building nuclear power plants, but of course the environmentalists won't agree to that either. Edit: As far as who's getting paid, Al Gore for example made millions though his fear mongering and by using his influence to steer "green" projects to companies he owns.

May be ignorance is not the only reason?

CO2 is not necessarily a pollutant unless the theory that it causes harmful global warming is true.

@Purkake They prove that data is being cooked, dissent is suppressed, and normal scientific requirements, like releasing your data and methods are not being met.