Mamoulian War

Oh, and I forgot to mention, Shoigu died. Again. Probably. After 27th heatstroke and a cup of tea with Putin. Maybe. While falling over the balcony. Allegedly. I am really curious, if this turns out true or false in few days...

@pmp10@Zoraptor@Gorth One more video about Moskva, this time from impartial source based on leaked pictures and videos. They come to an outcome, that the damage on the ship was definitely much higher than on the first sight. There are a lot of areas on the whole ship, which shows significant cook off inside the ship. Also it was said somewhere in the comments, that this ship had their officer quarter just above the storage of munition (can someone confirm that this is true?). Therefore both of these indices are showing the possibility for a lot of casualties (mostly in the ranks of officers), even though all of the rescue boats has been deployed.

Here is the video from the parade, I did not count it, but they are saying maximum 100 people present at the parade... And Russia being Russia, you never know, if this are real soldiers from Moskva or some propaganda muppets 🤷‍♂️ I would bet most of them are just muppets, because Putler was never before humiliated as much as with the loss of this ship, and they would never admit that Ukraine destroyed one of their crown jewels of navy and any casualty on board connected to it. Especially if the crown jewel is named after the capital of Russia. The ship was packed with dozens of rockets, so if hit at the correct place, the aftermath and cooking off could destroy a lot of people on the ship. And in other news, there was probably a tea party in Moscow Gazprombank offices 🤷‍♂️ Aaaand another interesting news. Remember the other ship blown up in Berdyansk port? There were two more ships running away from explosion and at least one of them burning. And today, the captain of one of these ships has been "relieved" from duty and joined the captain of Moskva.

After more than a week of Ukrainian silence from Mariupol, they shared another anti-orc counter attack. Looks like their situation is still not completely ****ed, if they are still able to do what they have shown in the video... (It pretty much shows why the Ukraine vs Russia casualties are 1:5 or greater)... It is heavily edited, but not gonna link it here. Again courtesy of Українська правда If you are really sure, what you are doing, you can try to search for it by yourself (1:39s long video), cyrillics affiliated with it under the spoiler tag...

Not all Chinese companies are operating in China. A lot of them, especially if they are in business with components, which can be used for weapon building, has ceased the operation in Russia, due to them, not willing to risk secondary sanctions against them. Same with a few biggest Chinese Banks and Chinese companies in energy business. China might be acting like a friend on the outside, but Russian defeat would open much of Russian industry for them to take.

Another news from our media, Russia has allegedly ran out of stock with components needed to assemble guided missiles for BUK batteries, which significantly cripples their AA defense in short-middle term. Also Huawei announced on 10th April, that they are stopping operations at their network component branches in Russia.

Yesterday, in our media there are starting to emerge reports, that Russia is running out of supply trucks. And even worse, they are also running out of truck drivers willing to drive to Ukraine. Which means big problem for Russian war. And today, I have found this. Russian propaganda is starting to talk about withdrawal of Russian army, due to the goals being fulfilled 🤨

The question is, how much of that 50 billion ended up in military and how much ended up in the pockets of corrupt commanders

Looks like sinking of the Moskva has started another purge in Russia 😄 And General nr.8 (this time 3 with three stars) had a state funeral since February 24th.

Anyway, we have already online the response of Finland to Russian threats, if they join the NATO. First Russia released video with the movement of coastal complexes to the border. The day after, Finns released this video 😄 And of course, one of the Ukrainian's TVs have already made a report about it 😄 If nothing else, we should give Putin credit, for completely obliterating the prestige and fearsomness of Russian army, which Soviet Union and himself tried so much to build after WW2 😄

It is possible environmental risk, and now try to imagine if that was true, and Ukraine would be able to recover them first from the bottom of the sea. Could be kind of game changer.

I have found one hour long video analysis of the possible consequences of long term conflict for the "west", Ukraine and Russia. It was worth the watch, and it answered a lot of my questions (e.g. why Ruble is still so strong). I would hope that here is at least one or two economy savvy forumites, which will watch it whole and point out to his strong sides and flaws of his analysis, and share it with us, I would be very grateful

Are you still trying to find any logic behind Russian statements? 😄

According to former State Duma deputy, only 58 marines out of 510 were saved from Moskva. And we might see first hints, where will be the next Special Military Operation taking place 🤷‍♂️

The possible nuclear warheads on Moskva were mentioned by BBC as well 🤷‍♂️

More info about Moskva by BBC Russia. The information by the Russian MoD, that they rescued all 510 sailors are most likely false. What a surprise 🤷‍♂️ https://t.me/bbcrussian/26888 Google translated: "Maritime security of Ukraine: the crew of "Moscow" was not evacuated due to a storm The Russian military failed to evacuate the crew of the sunken cruiser "Moskva", said Natalya Gumenyuk, spokeswoman for the Ukrainian border guard maritime guard. "The hit led to the detonation of the ammunition - and the struggle for survivability began. We watched how other ships tried to provide assistance, but even the forces of nature were on the side of Ukraine. Because the storm did not allow either to carry out a calm rescue operation or to evacuate the crew. Defeats so serious that the combat capability of the ship has been lost," she said. The night before, the Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed that the cruiser had sunk. Representatives of the Ukrainian authorities reported that the Moskva cruiser was attacked by Ukrainian Neptune missiles. Russia does not recognize this. According to the statement of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the crew of the cruiser was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area. The department did not mention the dead or wounded. On Friday, Russian news agencies, citing sources, reported that the crew of the Moskva cruiser had been delivered to Sevastopol. At the same time, the interlocutors of the agencies did not specify how many people were on the cruiser when the fire started there, and how many sailors were evacuated."

Around the Moskva, there are slowly emerging rumours, that it might have carried Nuclear Missiles. Anyone here with a good knowledge into naval military stuff, who can do some theorycrafting, how plausible this statement might be?

A coincidence I say! Or as typical Russian troll would say, All must me properly investigated first to draw proper conclusion! 🤣

Well considering that the Russians also dug trenches in Red Forest, and got destroyed 15 times in a row at Kherson Airport, well, I think inventing some new words is already due, and attacking Odessa by sea would be now just another jewel in the crown of stupid decisions already made by their commanders

Answering to all of you at once this time 😄 Yeah the ship sunk. It was confirmed by Russian RIA Novosti and TASS. The reason why it sunk in the end was, that after the explosions (my take would be it was really from Neptunes, because, when was the last time Russians told truth?), The Russian navy tried to save the ship by towing it to Crimea, (un)fortunately there was really ****ty weather on Black Sea, and the ship just sunk with all of the military equipment while being towed. https://t.me/tass_agency/127473 Google translate: The cruiser Moskva sank while being towed in a storm, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

From what I've read, the weather is not the best for assessing the situation correctly.

It should, we'll hopefully see in few days. Also from what I understood, the weather before/during/after the incident was not good, so the weather might be the real reason, why there is still lack of pictures available...

From what I understood, now that the Mykolaiv is unreachable to Russia, the Black Sea Fleet is considered the only way how to start/stage the attack on Odessa, a city which is pretty high in the hierarchy of cities to defeat for Russian propaganda. And Moskva was also the primary defense system against attacks on supply ships in the area. Yes, from the reports I've read (not sure how true they are) they made the air defense of Moskva busy with couples of Bayraktars, so they probably did not noticed the Neptunes, until it was to late. EDIT: The situation about the Kherson Airport was so ridiculous already week or two ago, that the official Ukrainian Army Media Officer did compare it to the famous scene from Far Cry 3 in one of his speeches 😄

As mentioned little bit above it was completely retrofitted in 2000, so it can be considered newer than Ticonderoga. I have not knew before, they are armed with S300 rockets by default, so thank you for the correction. I have see it more or less as a pretty big hit to their prestige as well, but the monetary value for me was pretty interested, as they will be unable to replace it with anything else for a very long time. Also it was the main defense ship in Black Sea (I think also the biggest) So it pretty much crippled Russian naval attack and defense potential in whole Black Sea. Also one more article about Moskva, with more details. And yes, I know the reputation of Daily Mail, but so far, one of the most detailed info on the incident available now, which I've found, which is citing both sides. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10717065/Go-f-Russian-warship-BLOWN-Cruiser-Moskva-hit-Ukrainian-missile.html

More information about what happened at Black Sea, armament of the ship, and the strategic implications of the loss for Russia. Said by one of our retired generals, who knows a lot about how Russian military works. Google translate from his official Facebook page. "The destruction of the Moscow cruiser is a severe blow to Russia All indications are that the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the missile cruiser Moscow is over. This was to happen after being hit by two Neptune missiles of Ukrainian production. This is extremely bad news for the Black Sea Fleet. In addition to the command, this ship was also to provide missile defense for the fleet. The cruiser became known for the incident on Serpent Island, and it appears to have ended up where it was sent by the island's defenders, who refused to surrender. The Moscow cruiser was 46 years old. It was originally called Glory. It was built in 1976 and was included in the armament in 1979. The cruiser was decommissioned in 1990. Subsequently, it was modernized and re-assigned to the Navy in 2000 under the new name Moscow. It is an important ship and its loss will hurt the Russians very much. The Russians have already announced that after the ship's fire and the explosion of its ammunition, they had to evacuate the ship. It was a 186.4 m long ship, literally packed with weapons of all kinds. The Russians have not yet officially admitted that they lost the ship as a result of the Ukrainian attack. They obscure the fire, but did not specify its cause. The ship's armament included 16 fixed launchers for anti-ship missiles P-1000, 64 vertical containers for air defense system missiles S-300 and launchers for 40 missiles Axis for air protection of the ship itself and a variety of weapons. The equipment was supplemented by torpedo chambers and a helicopter. It was this rocket-laden ship that was supposed to be the best protection for the entire fleet against Ukrainian attacks. Without this ship, the fleet will be significantly more vulnerable. The possibility of a naval landing at Odessa is thus significantly reduced. The Russian navy has so far been more or less intact, but it has kept its distance. A number of caliber flat-caliber missiles were fired from the ships, destroying targets throughout Ukraine. The Ukrainians originally wanted to get a total of 6 Neptune fire batteries in the spring of this year, but according to published reports, they have only one battery. The Neptune rocket is a missile with a flat flight path. It is derived and redesigned from the original S-125 (Neva) anti-aircraft missile, which was also in the arsenal of the Slovak Armed Forces in the second half of the 1990s. Rating: After the heavy losses of the ground forces and air force, the loss of the anti-missile cruiser, which was supposed to protect the entire fleet, is another shameful message for the Russian armed forces. It does not fit into the concept of a special military operation. The Russians will deny the destruction of the attack. But they will have to stay away from the shore. To make matters worse, the Ukrainians said they were seizing ten merchant ships from the Russians. They were in Odessa for repairs." EDIT: Just for the sake of it, Russian official stance on the incident by MoD: Russian Ministry of Defense says fire at cruiser Moskva has been contained, explosions ceased, crew evacuated and the vessel is being tugged to the port.