Darth Mortis

He probably meant that they would use the basic game engine from the KOTOR games for their new game.

Try reinstalling the game-unless you tell it to its won't get rid of the save games. Failing that there is a save game editing program you can get and use which might allow you to solve the problem. I'd give you more information about it, but I've never used it myself.

And what did I say at the end of my last post...?; You are just reading what you want to to read, not what is there. followed by; . Translation; I'm ignoring inconventiant truths-such as George Lucas being God as far as Starwars is concerned while in comparison I'm a turnip. Some one else want to take that one up? Its too easy. Niether is Revan, or Mace Windu, or Yoda....or Nillius for that matter.

If they wanted to use one of my ideas all they would have to do is put my name in the credits and give me a copy of the finished game......of course a computer that will be able to run it at maximum settings would be nice as well

Sounds like a glitch and a 'You should have saved moment', but this is the first time I've heard of this particular problem. First, are you running any mods? if the answer is yes they could be whats screwing things up. Second, check to see if there is an autosave from before the mission. Since this part of the game switches between different locations and characters odds are fairly good that there is a save game from before the T-3 mission. I'm going to add this about HK-47, but its a spoiler so you might not want to read it yet;

Well put.

So? Controling others is a form of power. By the same logic you'd have to dismiss all Sith Lords-including Revan-as weak because they used others to acomplish their goals, they did after all fight the Jedi with other Sith, armies etc, rather than attempting to kill all the Jedi on their own. Even your beloved Nillius attempted to use Visas to kill the Exile rather than doing so himself. Due in part to Palpatine clouding the force with the darkside Due to Palpatine playing groups off on one another. That *seems* to have been his long term goal (Its not clear that the threat he was responding to really was the true Sith at this point. We'll have to wait for K3 to find out, we hope). But in the short term he was still trying to take over the Republic and get rid of the Jedi to accomplish that, and he failed. Palaptine did crush all opposition, for a while. His problem was that he created more enemies in the process-the last one being Vader. Manipulated yes, I'm not so sure she would have had the skills (or inclination) to get into politics. When you are one Sith Lord against hundreds (maybe thousands) of Jedi its called being smart. Yes, I said this in another post. Palpatine relyed on deception backed up by force, while Sith Lords before Darth Bane relyed on force backed by deception. In a battle of wits Palpatine would win, in a test of pure strength in a fight he'd lose against one of the older Sith Lords. But this would be less to do with their power than it would be the lack of experience Palpatine had in that type of conflict.

Bad example. Spider Man and Superman are owned by Marvel comics and DC comics respectively, which are different companies. Marvel could say Spidey will mop the floor with Superman, but if they printed it in a comic they'd get sued for copyright infringment. George Lucas on the otherhand owns the entire Starwars franchise-thats everything from the films, the games, the coffee mug even the starwars bedsheets some people have. If he says Palpatine is the most powerful Sith lord ever that is cannon, anyone saying diffently in a story will be asked to change it. If they don't they will not be able to release the result as a licenced product/story without getting sued. Visas was attempting to further weaken Nillius at the time. Her comment was about this action, which was hers not the Exiles, and means that he was too powerful for her. The Sith attempted the direct approch several times......and lost to the Jedi, proving that brute strength alone wasn't enough.

Read the whole thing. It states that vapaad is a higher level of mastery CREATED by mace windu so it didn't exist before and that vapaad had many powers that a juyo master did not have. *Sighs* and once again you missed the point. What I was saying originally was that Vaapad was an agressive/offensive lightsabre form, like juyo from which Vaapad was developed. All the lightsabre forms are a bit like a see-saw with one end being defence and the other offence. If you raise the defence the offence will fall and vice-versa. (The only form this does not apply to is Nimian, which balances offence and defense equally. However as was proved on Genosis this can be a problem as all the Jedi who were using this form got shot). The form a Jedi/Sith uses by choice depends on if they intend to wait for an opening-as Obi-Wan did-or if they intend to take the fight to an oppoent from the start. The trick is to get the correct balance, if you are too aggresive you'll have next to no defence and if you fail to take your opponent out before they strike back you'll most likely be dead. If you are too defensive then your opponent is going to keep coming until they break through your defenses. Vaapad is an agressive form, hence its defenses will be lower than other lightsabre forms. This does not mean it is a defensless form, simply that it would not allow the user to protect themselves as well as some other forms.

Yeah, if you start a conversation with him you should have the option of saying 'I was sent to dance for you', which will put him to sleep.

You need to have overheard the converation in the dock area (Where all the rooms are). There, I'm putting it in spoilers as there is no warning on the topic heading. Have fun.

Ooops, my bad. What I intended to say was 'Although it could be argued that he/she decided not to do so, if you play Revan as DS and ignore cannon, after killing Malak'. *Hangs head in shame*

Fair enough, I wasn't really questioning your word as such, I was just curious as to what 'Most Powerful' meant in regards to Sith Lords-That is if it implied only their strength in the force or included power from other sources. I guess the Sith would say thats the same thing-ie that strength in the force dictates how much power you can get from other sources. No, the ant man is canonically more powerful, because you

The Sith Lords after Darth Bane were different to those that came before-instead of acting openly and attempting to take over the Republic from outside, they acted from behind the scenes and attempted to take over from within. Palpatine would be the prime example of this type of Sith-he used deception backed by force rather than force backed by deception. It would be hard, therefore, to state that he was more powerful in some respects than Sith Lords before Darth Bane-he'd run rings around them when it came to concocting plans and keeping everyone guessing, but they'd flatten him if it came down to a show of strength one on one simply because they'd be more used to that type of conflict. (As evidenced by the fact that Palpatine was powerful enough to not only hide himself from the Jedi so that they never realised he was force-sensitive, let alone a Sith Lord, but also dampen the Jedi's connection to the force for several years at the same time. Yet for all this power he had real problems dealing with Yoda when it came down to a one on one fight). True Sith were a specific species, and if memory serves had red skin and tenticles on their faces. As a species True Sith are extinct (at least by the time of the clone wars) so Palpatine wouldn't be a true Sith in this context, but could be considered heir to their pholosophy. Having said that True Sith did interbreed with humans, so its not impossible that Palpatine had a true Sith in his family tree-admittidly this would be at least 4500+ years or more ago...assuming LA doesn't decide that some of them went into hiding somewhere.

Obi-Wan was considered the master of his form, so that probably does him a slight diservice, but I can't fault the logic. Obi-Wan did have better situatinal awareness than Anakin, which could have been in part down to his form being less focused than Anakin which might have allowed him to pick up on what was going on around him better. And I said; Note that I did say this was an example, not a statment of fact. I also said that; I said, I thought clearly, that an individuals strength in the force did not automatically mean they would be skilled/powerful with a lightsabre No, I'm not. And the winner of a duel is not always the most powerful/skilled. Luck and experience can count for a lot, as can misjudgements in how you face a battle. Using a form that relies on movement while in a confined space puts you at a disadvantage regardless of how good you happen to be for example. Thanks for including a link that just proves Juyo and Vaapad are listed as the same general form-form VII and are hence both agressive forms.

I meant that comparing Mace Windu's lightsabre skills against anyone before him-ie Revan-is a little pointless as he'd have the advantage of using a style they wouldn't know. It would be better to compare him to Jedi/Sith who were alive when he was, and would have at least heard of the style if not seen it in action. You could compare other Jedi of Mace's time to those before, since they would know the same forms. From what I can tell the lightsabre forms didn't change much over the years (which seems a little odd to be honest), what did change is which forms Jedi/Sith tended to use-For example Jedi at the start of the clone wars tended towards using Nimian form, but those who used it on Genosis were also the ones who got killed so it quickly fell out of favour. If the forms didn't change, then it could be assumed that both Jedi and Sith would have picked the same forms in time of war if the threats were of a similar nature (Ie mainly blaster wielding opponents or lightsabre opponents). Which would allow a comparison between Jedi/Sith of different eras. '....Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways.......He reflected the fury upon its source as a lighsabre redirects a blaster bolt.....The darkness had no power over him. But-Neither did he have power over it. Vapaad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop compleated by the shadow...there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue. Impasse. Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Maces only gift.....he only had time to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed towards him. Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind; a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him. And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source....."Anakin, he's too strong for me-"....lightning speared from the Sith Lord's hands and without his blade to catch it, the power of Palpatine's hate struck him full-on.....Dark lightning blasted away his universe. He fell forever.' (Snippet from StarWars, Revenge of the Sith book, detailing the fight between Mace Windu and Darth Sidious) I quoted this since it says, quite clearly that Mace could control the loop only in so far as being able to activate it-meaning dropping into the Vaapad form. It also indicates that Vaapad has limits, and its ability to deflect force lightning replies on having a lightsabre in hand. Its also helpful since it makes the point about Vaapad I was trying to make last time-namely that Vaapads strength comes in part from whoever you are fighting. If they are being passive and defensive there is less for it to work with, so it becomes less powerful. You could also argue that anyone who lost against another lightsabre opponent did so because they didn't take the form they were using to a high enough level. In Mace Windu's case he is called the Vaapad master, meaning that he had taken that form to the highest level he could and no one was better-but he still tells Anakin that Palpatine was to strong for him alone..... Jedi and Sith don't reply on the eye, they use the force; 'Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them-Obi-Wan to Luke Skywalker in Episode IV'. I'd also note that fencers can wield a conventinal blade faster than the eye can follow without using the force, and they can parry blows at that speed too. Trust me....I've failed to see it.... No, I wasn't talking about Juno I was talking about all the agressive lighsabre forms which, while including Juno would also include Vaapad and Makisku (Dooku's form). And Vaapad is derived from Juno btw, which I think I noted before. Sure...whatever......

Lets hope K3 is like this-it would give a much greater scope to the overall game, and be the kind of ending the KOTOR series deserves. (And, BTW if LA or the developer of K3 reads this I am open to reasonable offers if you want to use this....... )

I'd like to know where it says that Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord, I'd also like to know if you mean pure strength in the force or if your also including the power he could draw from other sources (ie; Allies). If you mean most Powerful in the force your wrong-that would be Vader-at least before he lost most of his limbs-since he had a midiclorian count higher than any recorded before. Plus Sidious tells Yoda that Vader will become more powerful than both of them-indicating that Vaders strength in the force was greater than his masters. If you mean power including allies etc then Sidious would indeed be the most powerful Sith Lord ever, since he could call on the resorces of the entire Galactic Empire at will.

Errm, nope...... Take it its a computer virus......*hides*

Actually the translation team doesn't even have anything to translate yet as I'm just getting over a nasty sinus infection Also given that they were just brought aboard less than a week ago I very much doubt they would have been close finishing within 2 weeks The best way to get over a sinus infection is to stay indoors, keep warm and keep the mind active.....say by working long hours in front of a computer As for motivating translation teams I've always found that needless violence arbitrarily handed out for the smallest mistake or slowdown in production can work wonders...... More Seriously, hope your getting better mate

Hk-47, OK so he's more or less useless in a party by the time you get him, but he's the only party member who; Doesn't have an annoying voice Doesn't have any problems being what he is-ie an sociopathic killer Gets all the best lines

Of all the planets in the two KOTOR games some are more likely to show up than others; Taris; Unlikely, while there *could* still be a few who survived the bombing there wouldn't really be anything to do. Dantooine; Probable, even though its been in both games and there is not really that much there. If I had to put money on one planet being included in all three games Dantooine would be the best bet. Tatooine; Probably not, I have a hard time believing that they could find anything to do here, unless your following Revans steps from K1....which lets face it would be dull. Mahann; Maybe, there is nothing to stop this world from turning up again, regardless of how you played K1. Wookie world (yes, ok I can't remember how to spell it...) ; very unlikely. The problem here is that if you pick Revan as being a LS'er he would have freed the Wookies, and they then refused to allow outsiders to land there (Revan aside). They'd have to come up with a viable reason why the Wookies would allow you to land-without the fur balls being invaded and enslaved again, which would lead to missions here almost identical to those in K1. Korriban; *Sighs* probably (as much as I'd rather not see the place again). The Sith could have returned here regardless of how you played the first two games. Yavin 4; Possible, but unlikely given what little is know about the world in the EU-namely that no-one settled that world after Exar Kun and everything he had of value down there was destroyed. Starforge world; Its possible, if they write things so that the Rakatans have some connection to the growing threat or knowledge of it. This would, however, create problems since Revan would have eliminated at least one of the two groups there. Not a major problem, there would be ways around it, but it could be more effort than it would be worth. Peragus; Worryingly this is possible-the station *could* have been re-built depending on how much time has passed since K2. Very unlikely though, apart from anything else even LA might think twice before putting such a dull planet into K3. Telos; Possible, although since the world could have been left as a wasteland if you played as Dark-side unlikely. Nar-Shadaar; Quite possible unless they add Cororsant to K3-the two worlds would be too much alike in someways to get away with having both in the same game. Duxn/Onderon; If the Mandolorian's play a major part in K3 then quite probably-at least Duxn since thats the new home world of the Mandolorian clans. Malacore; No, simply put if the Exile was LS the world was destroyed-so including this world would be a waste of time from a development prospective as it wouldn't be there to be visited in some games.

Calo is a major pain no matter how often you play. The only way I've found of killing him with minimum hassle is to get everyone buffed up before the fight, then to start lobbing plasma granades at him before closing in. Even then you have to keep an eye on your party-for some reason they keep changing targets from him to some two bit bounty hunter who's not really going to hurt them.

If the Yuuxhang Vong turn up in K3 I will, personally, track down every single person who worked on the game and do things to them that would make Darth Vader look like a small puppy. Yes, Canderious did say that, but like many elements in KOTOR it is a nod to later Starwars stories, not an indication of where things are going. I'd also like to note that 'Unknown regions' simply means areas of the galaxy that the Republic hasn't explored-and even 4000 years later thats a huge area, most of the Galaxy in fact.

Check the FAQ section of the forum. But I don't think this is a Vista problem exclusivly....I seem to recall getting that error message under Win 98 before now on other games. If you still have the Vista disk you could try reinstalling Vista if all else fails-it shouldn't delete anything other than your current window settings, as the install program checks to see what programs you already have installed on your computer. Of course if you try this and it fails don't blaime me, I will take no responsibilty if it decides to format your harddrive. Anyone else with technical knowledge know how to solve this in a simpler way?