Product of the Cosmos

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Actually outside the US, the term "liberal" means that you're a fan of Reagan's economic policies => right-wing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> lmao!.. I would vote for Al Sharpton gladly.

lol. Lookin good.

"What would your initial reaction be to hearing/seeing a real live E.T? Maybe mentally and technologically more advanced than our species?" I would firstly be wayyyyy excited, then say hi. lol. "To be honest... My initial reaction would be sheer fear. I would think first to protect myself and my family. Even if the E.T was not acting hostile, because how do I know what if any morals guide it. Most humans act instinctively to danger, its hardcoded in our genes. First let me say this, if they intended on negative things I highly doubt they would just show up. They would be hidden, and infiltrate behind the scenes. Fear is a primal trait, but it can be overidden with inner synchronicity. The only thing I would be very deeply possibly disturbed by is my peoples reaction to seeing this. Hoping they don't do anything crazy. lol. As if they came on broad daylight to invade they would know it would just be a stalemate and pretty much anything they came for would be completely destroyed in the battle for it. We are all cosmic beings before 'human'. So it's not like they would be so alien IMO. Unless it was like an AI type thing. lol. "Can humans as a species, that has total dominion over earth and no predator to speak of - Accept the existance of another species as intelligent, advanced as their own?? IMO instinct would drive humans to war with any species we couldn't control or destroy. Just look at what we do to ourselves/eachother everyday... hmm?" If we are simianistic violent ego-maniacs in abundance, maybe that would happen. lol. But I think people would be amazed, but a war? lol. If the visitor was intelligent they would just leave if it caused that reaction. lol.

that's my ENTIRE POINT PoTC... sheeeeesh... is it that hard to understand? this is what people BELIEVE, not what the bible says. for god's sake i'm agreeing with you and you continue to argue moot points. get OVER YOURSELF! taks <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I just wanted to see if you had a scripture where it said that. No reason for the audacity. And as denial goes, when proven wrong, fall back on anything you can is the method of religion IMO. lol. Since it's not written in the scriptures those who benefit from the scriptures followers would make that clear. And say they were wrong in interpretation(agian, lol, for the trillionth time). "hehe, not really. you can't "prove" unlikely or likely. terms unlikely and likely are probabilistic arguments. carl sagan provided a logical argument that said a lack of life was unlikely. he didn't prove anything... i agree with him, btw, before you go and get your panties in a stitch. taks" Unlikely and likely are probabilities. They are not statements of absolute proof. Yes, you can prove highly unlikely or highly likely. By presenting a piece of evidence that changes the open minded unknowing variables to more likely, or unlikely. He DID prove something though, something HUGE!!!!!! That life can be made with elements and electricity! That is big! Considering planets in our own solar system have electricity and the ability to evolve atmospherically. And considering the countless numbers of planets out there. This makes life probability so high there is no number, well, 99.99 with a line over it, for the probability there is life out there like, or more advanced then us.

"you missed my point... if they "created" us, then yes, they become our "god." that's why i put the quotes around god. that does not superceded the possibility of another god (logic does that by itself). the point is that we are suddenly not created by some omniscient power, but by other mortal (presumed) beings..." In the scenario under the belief system your using, God created them , in which they helped create us. And with current superstition of such believers, if this scenrio was proven they would probably fall back on 'God was guiding them', or something along those lines. Cosmos:"If a pentagon discovers there is a triangle(or indeed a plethora or different 'shapes'), is the pentagon not unique anymore? I think it still is. =P" "what??? that doesn't make sense. the religious believe we are unique in the universe... "unique" defined as "the only planet with life" or better "god's children." if it turns out that another race created us, this belief is obviously incorrect. you're trying to apply a micro view to a macro situation." Please bring to my attention in the bible where it says 'We are the only planet with life'. I think such is an assumption by believers, not in the material itself. But I have not read the full bible. So please fill me in if I'm missing something. And as for being the only planet with life, well Carl Sagan pretty much proved that ridiculously unlikely while creating life with elements our planet had in its earlier days+electricity=life is created a few decades ago... Not to mention as far as I know there is no definite definition of the word 'planet'. If Pluto is a planet in terms of parameters, we have about 2 dozen planets in our solar system. As for the term 'God's children'. No matter what, this can be used in any scenario, EBE planted or not.

"> 2. if there is life elsewhere, particularly more advanced than us, the possibility that said life put us here intentionally increases. their current presence would possibly indicate a case of "lab-rat analysis" so to speak. this pretty much shoots the whole god thing in the foot, btw, as said alien life woulld actually be our "god."" If we help a planet grow a species like us, are we God? If we we're religious and did this, would we suddenly become God? Last I heard God created everything according to those religious. And Eden etc is history of our occurance translated into mythology. I guess some people who 'thump the bible' hardcore(lmao@that term) would flip out... "if there is life elsewhere, particularly intelligent, suddenly we aren't unique" If a pentagon discovers there is a triangle(or indeed a plethora or different 'shapes'), is the pentagon not unique anymore? I think it still is. =P

a lot... lol =P

"There are a few things that always bother me about ET sightings. One for a race who has found a way of faster than light travel they sure haven't developed better technology to say scan us from space out of our perception." How would we know if they had this ?! And perception is not the only thing the mind is limited to "Also if we have stealth technology, why couldn't they?" lol, no reason. If they are here, they obviously do "Again if it is a fact finding mission it would probably be done by their militery or scientific people I doubt they would likely joy ride in our atmosphere." ! You wouldn't joyride on a new amaing planet if you were exploring it?! I certainly would!!! "Now to me the roswell scenario is more believeble as no matter how advanced the tecnology there can always be for lack of a better term "human" error." True. The Roswell crash happened as result of lightening hitting the plane which was propelled by a gravity field of some sort(if I recolect Corso's claims correctly). Very possible. But IMO there are very many different types of beings already here. Some may even be walking amongst us, and we don't even notice it. "I believe in the possibility of ET life I just really haven't seen any concrete proof yet." If it interests you investigate. There is a wealth of info out there for anyone who has the will to know.

LOL^ EVeryone has their own interpretation It just doesn't seem likely to me the government would test such things on Mexican air force. But who knows.. Maybe they get a reward, ****ing with obsolete technology another government has and tripping them out would probably be fun. lol. "I personally don't believe in the existance of E.T's (no proof in my eyes). But if there were, hypothetically speaking that is, what do you think the human species would do. I think Chaos

Well, not all of them in the conspiracy theories. The Greys are supposed to do most of the dirty work and actual contact with humans, while the Reptiloids are overlords to the Greys just as much so to humans. The Greys are supposed to like humans though, and think we're extremely beautiful, as well as coddling us like children because of their immense knowledge. See why this stuff is as fun to read as a science fiction novel. :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It really is interesting whilst true ot not IMO too. Couple easy to find books I highly recomend: The Day After Roswell By Philip J Corso Chariots of the Gods, By Erich Von Daniken

"Mainly what the people who buy into these theories think the aliens want are slaves, food depending on the type (I don't really believe in the conspiracy theories, but they do interest me in the way a good science fiction book does) and natural resources. Other theories include that they're placing implants in use to 'control our brains' while the US gov is doing the exact same thing to counter the alien's implants, as the aliens eventual goal is to take over out planet after having collected enough data. As I said above, I think most of it is a load of bunk junk that continues to grow the way urban legends do....but one can't really be sure. Damned entertaining to read about it though." As for why any various group ET would want to be here? Not only what you said, lol. How about genetic/astrological studies? I think just about any species like or smarter then us, would be interested in this. Samples from many things unique to Earth(at least from the visitors standpoint)? This too. As for mind control? lol. Too touchy of subject to get into very deeply IMO. "If we assume that ET is monitoring us and that ET takes the form many of the stories converge to (i.e. at least a few of them are likely to be correct), the idea that Governments know about this and are conspiring to keep the general populace in the dark about it starts looking more likely simply because of the number of these tales that involve government cover-up. For the governments, I can see motivation to cover it up were they aware of it: to avoid panic in the short term, and because many people in those positions tend to be set in their ways and to have personal interests best looked after by maintaining the status quo." Very logical in just about any scenario. "What possible motivation, however, has ET in this scenario to make our world leaders aware of their presence whilst concealing themselves from the rest of us? ET appears to get nothing out of Earth apart from observational data" Firstly an entire planet such as ours of new observational data is very precious IMO. Priceless really. Concealment? Possibly just being polite to our leaders wishes... Or respecting and knowing it would send many closed minded locals into insanity. lol. "whilst the Government-conspiracy theories also involve alien technology being given to the US government in particular, a large amount of it ending up in military hardware. If ET is tampering to help us grow and improve as a species, offering us better ways to blow each other up isn't going to help!" At the very least inadvertently giving us technology, when/if their ship crashes we get it =P But I believe your talking about the Zetas. They are thought to be a genetically engineered intel gathering race(of which the makers are assumably unknown) by many when said autopseys happen. Namably the guy who was supposedly put in charge of the Roswell file's reverse engineering(and wrote a book about it), Philip J. Corso. I've recently gotten ahold of some FBI declassified documents on Corso as well. Ridiculously hard to read as they seem to be enigineered to be so, but they confirm Corso was deep in the intelligence community. In Corso's book he doesn't mention what the relations between the Zetas and US government was, as he was only cleared to release info about his actions in the 60's when the reverse engineering took place from gathered things from the crash. Just think of if a Hitler-like guy got some of this technology what kind of thoughts would go through his head. ! "The only thing I can think of at the moment is that ET do need something or other we have, badly, and don't wish to just rip in and take it; the secret negotiators sent by our Governments realised this and bargained hard, extorting weapons technology out of them in exchange for it, ET seeing us blowing each other up a lesser evil than them blowing us up." Well, there are assumably many different races and motives out there. It's not like your either Earthling, or the other group out there. lol. Whatever the speculation, IMO it is not moral to give us weapons. If any ET race has done this, I would be a little pissed at them. lol. But doing that isn't half as bad as ****ing with our genetics a long time ago would be when talking about what's possible...

Not really on topic, and kind of reinforces the viewpoint I'm sure many people here share that you're one to jump to conclusions, eh? There could be all sorts of explanations for it. It's simply an "interesting signal", AFAIK. That's not to say I think the sightings in Mexico aren't intriguing. But for bystanders like ourselves there really are no trustworthy sources, since if you accept the idea that extraterrestrials really have been monitoring us all through the civilized age then the fact that we've been kept in the dark about it validates pretty much every wacko theory about governments conspiring hush it all up and mislead us! You really can't know without personal experience, can you... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How is posting something possible jumping to conclusions? I never said we we're contacted by an alien race based on that link. lol. And your right, without personal experience, most people wouldn't know. Speculation is all the average citizen has. And if one investigates certain things, that speculation becomes more and more likely.. And ETs monitoring us has nothing to do with conspiracy theories in the government IMO. If I saw a infantile developing race I would be interested to watch and study as well.

"makes for little nice conspiracy but just how does the government cover up all the civilians supposedly died in the first plane? or they make up all the relatives who grief over the loss too?" Funny how the quoted statement of mine above this comment is the most circumstancial and debatable in my entire post. Coincidence? lol Anyway, who knows. Many are begining to piece together the 9-11 puzzle. ince common people dont have the resources the people who SHOULD be investigating this have(FBI CIA etcetc) it takes longer. And you'll have many false claims. Like I said, the pentagon tape IMO was released to make false claims. They knowingly make some info sketchy to make the information and claims so cluttered the truth is often looked over, or not looked into at all by the time it is uncovered. You could probably imagine just about anything I can. But I'm pretty sure it was a plane that hit the pentagon... "Product of the Cosmos, the link does not work for me either, so i can't comment much. but this (or a similar vid. i wont know since i don't get to watch the one you put up) has been brought up in codex and was soundly disproved later." lol. Soundly disproved to some people means situation: FALSE on the top of the webpage. lmao. Too bad that video is taken down. =P

update on the Pentagon crash: Looking further into this(as referenced by a smart mind, that doesnt show my point of view on this) there are a ridiculous amount of witnesses who did see a plane fly by their car(as it flew right by the freeway), and hit the pentagon. Many hundreds actually. As well as they did mention that a plane was heading towards DC on the news prior to it even getting there. If this was a missile they wouldn't have mentioned it on the news as this would be too much of a risk for exposing of what happened. This makes the possibility of something other then a plane hitting the pentagon very small, even when weighed agianst the probabilities of things that happened that are questionable in the crash. But what is odd here, is most all of them saw the plane do an amazing 270 degree loop around, instead of coming at the pentagon straight on, and smack right into the least occupied, recently being renovated section of the pentagon with efficiency of that only the best pilots in history could have done. The skill to pull these manuevers off is legendary pilot skill. And the coincidence of the plane hitting an unoccupied section of the pentagon as result of such manuevers is also sketchy at best. Add in the supposed pilots were not noted to be very skilled in their flight schools. This scenario of hijackers doing this gets even more unbelievable. Which brings us to the cover up evidence of the video I pointed out. At first I thought 'holy ****, are they really this incompetant?!' when I found this video. But it's slowly coming over me that this was most likely a planned revealing of conspiracy theory fuel for spawning multiple claims, only to make the true evidence when exposed barely looked at by any who still have the audacity to even pay attention anymore. Virtually no defense of any kind was made inside the most restricted air space in the US, the P-56(the most guarded and secure airspace in the entire world) area around DC and the Pentagon despite the presence of combat ready aircraft at local bases. Nor were other defense measures, including surface-to-air missiles at the White House and Pentagon deployed. There was a stand-down on 9/11. Information was known about 30 minutes prior to the DC plane hitting the Pentagon that it was indeed heading for DC. The White House, and the pentagon both have ground to air missile systems. These were not used to take the jet down. This was one of the main variables that made me consider it highly possible that a missile hit the pentagon.

You didn't really address any of my points. I gave you a link from the source you gave that supposedly debunks the Pentagon case, which in fact it makes the pentagon case I give more credit!! Did you watch the video!!?! Watch it! The date is wrong on the Pentagon tape. There is a second missing, its skips from 19 to 21. And that second just so happens to be the second where whatever hit the pentagon, would be in the middle of the screen! CNN uses the same type of tactic you thought the video I provided did! They used 2 frames, put a circle on the tip of whatever entered the screen, moved the circle across the screen while they fade between the 2 frames!!!!!! We can sit and argue why would they do it, blah blah.. But I'm sitting here giving you direct facts to base this on. Not some reasonable doubt logic based on a lifetime of assumptions about who runs your country. I am not ignorant as you have provided no counter to my claims to ignore! If you did provide a counter based on facts, I would consider them! So don't try to call us both ignorant. Because that mindset is lopsided in this debate.

"So, the video didn't convince you. You were already predisposed to thinking this way (which is exactly what I thought)." To tell you the truth, I had a gut feeling something like this was going to happen at the hands of a group.... Unnamable, who the Bushes are part of. This is irelevant to the evidence though. I had doubts in some of the claims, but this video showed comprehensive evidence, stacked on top of what I have become aware of beforehand.. And broke it down very well. "You know, I'm no "expert" on things like this, so I'm not going to "unconvince" you on this issue. Just don't pretend like this is the video to solve all the problems for everyone else. I don't think it's odd that the building fell down or that there was some kind of demolition team in there." I think it is odd how the building fell. I fail to see how it would fall so perfectly straight down, with little to no resistance without some sort of explosion inside. But, the thing is, there are incredible anomalys on 9-11 with the 'planes' hitting the 3.5 structures scenario. If the planes burned so fiercely to take down the huge buildings so perfectly, as well as oddly happen to take down a buidling a city block away that was well based, wide for it's hieght, and also extremely re-inforced, that just makes it even more weird. Building 7 came down demolition style, but oddly enough, it was not struck by a plane! It was a fire in the building not even close to what was in the WTCs. The owner himself(Larry Goldstein) admited to PBS later in September(only to never talk about it ever agian, and have no 9-11 commision report on what he said) he told the fire department to 'pull the building' on national TV. Then theres the pentagon. 2 planes take down 3.3 WTC buildings. As crazy as that is, the pentagon is barely even scorched! Although yes, it is penetrated rather deeply. Showing evidence of something the video shows, as a bunker buster, you know, the things we advertised so well to arms dealers in Afganistan. Your supposed debunking site has some inconsistancies. And since the truth is being distorted there is proof of such distortment in such a widely known and covered event. While the site is rather articulate in their argument: "Claim: The damage to the Pentagon on September 11 was caused by something other than a hijacked Boeing 757's being crashed into its side. Status: False." lol/cough/sarcasm I'll point something out to you that furthers my argument that is in your very own debunking site. The details, oh so very overlooked by Americans. And they know it. Or else they wouldn't provide such a blatantly obvious video. lol. Notice in the video the CNN site has that the debunking site links. You wanted references? How about your own debunking link for a reference!!!!!! http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.penta...ures/index.html Here is the link hotlinked from your debunking site showing the explosion. Watch the video. Or you can get to it from the referenced 'debunking' site, its about midway down, to the left of the bottom of the advertisement(lol) with the title hotlink 'damage'. First, notice now the DATE on the video, is September 12th. Odd, but who knows, right? Ok, now watch the time, the seconds, they jump from 19 seconds, to 21. The all so important second where whatever hits the pentagon is shown, is taken out! Now there is something very wrong with this picture. The true 20th second of this tape has been edited out. The begining of the 21st second of the tape, is mended with the latter part of the 19th second. Creating the timegap there. Also, a big thing showing evidence of a media cover-up, notice how the tape is not in motion when they move their 'highlight' circle showing the 'plane' supposedly fly acrossed the screen! Did you watch this video without sound!? As you do note the power of suggestion! They move the circle without the video in motion! They just fade into the gapped frames in front of the cut out one while moving the circle! The ****ing media is the one pulling a verbal suggestive ploy to make people think they see something they don't with this tactic. Or else why do this type of editing!? The video does not show the pivitol frame where the 'plane' or missile is in the center of the screen, only a possible tip, and an explosion along with a screwy editing tactic of moving a circle while the tape is not in motion! The burnoff trail from this 'missile' or 'plane' is also a seemingly very centered/concentrated one for a plane that has 2 engines coming in at a 45 degree angle! Although that is not definitive as our camera angle conveniently is from the perfect angle as to not show 1 smokeline, or 2, as a plane would emit.. It is also like 2-8 feet from the ground! And it comes in pretty flat, not coming downward as a bigass jet would be. In fact, look at it closer!!!!! The smoke it going up at a low degree angle in a straight line while it flys into the building! Simply amazing this gets by people. I can barely count the red flags, and anomalys involved in all this. As there are ridiculously high amounts. How about a black box from ANY of the planes?!?! Not 1 has been released. Once you equate in the facts that there was 86,000 gallons of jet fuel in this plane. It gets even hairier! The rooms adjacent to the enterance of the building by the 'thing' that hit the pentagon, are not scloded at all! There are books laying open without a singe, there are white walls with no burnmarks! This isn't as odd, unless you count in the fact that this fuel is supposed to burn so intense and hot that it took down 2 incredibly structured buildings in New York! And somehow took down a wide shorter building completely pancaked without even getting directly hit by the fuel! This is just amazing to me how sloppy this was done by those who did it, and how people can choose to ignore it! I oculd go into why this was so sloppy, but it's not based on fact. So theres not much use(I would in a PM...). The power of doubt is such a strong thing. You say you won't try to convince me of your side! Please do! I do not like what these facts point to. Based on no presumption, there is so much evidence of conspiracy on 9-11, this is the most proven non-accepted conspiracy in world history. Not to mention the biggest scale one ever. "If the government was willing to do this, why would they leave the claimed hijackers alive? I can keep this up forever honestly. The fact that people have the same name as someone else doesn't make them the same person." It does when the person 'with the same name' is also the one pictured! And is ALSO the ones in the flight schools!!!

wow! Another thing that is downplayed by the media here. At least CNN has the balls to report it. http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/09/02/s...reut/index.html "LONDON, England (Reuters) -- An unexplained radio signal from deep space could -- just might be -- contact from an alien civilization, New Scientist magazine reported on Thursday." Amazing! V~holy **** I had no idea something like this is used on the WWW~V "The potentially extraterrestrial signals were picked up through the SETI+home project, which uses programs running as screensavers on millions of personal computers worldwide to sift through the huge amount of data picked up by the telescope."

"You give me no placement for the bodies of the hijackers or the people who died on the planes, etc. Do you think they disappeared into thin air?" I have no idea. But 6 of the supposed highjackers are alive and well. 3 of them work for Saudi Airliners! And have reported to US embassies enraged to be called terrorists! Who knows how many more were falsely accused. And assuming this WAS a plan by a government or some group affiliated with, if they had no trouble killing 3,000, I'm sure they wouldn't have much trouble killing a couple more hundred. Not to mention the FAA list of people who got on board the flights is a larger number then the list of WTC casualties from the planes hitting the towers... Maybe some people missed their flights? I dunno. But this is another weird claim(although I havent looked into this particular claim in-depth). "The government killed them to pull off the scheme? You realize that the government loses money from this as well don't you?" Which government are you talking about? lol. Do you mean the actual 'bank' of the USA? lol, thats the people's money. And now from this, it is being filtered into private bank accounts much MUCh easier, such as Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle Group, and thousands of other companies with direct, or non-direct ties to government figures not only in the USA, but worldwide. The financial aspect of 9-11 is ridiculously 'coincidence' as the entire Bush admin & friends gained in the tens of billions from 9-11. The government as in the Bush regime(whether being behind it or not), has profited and benefited ridiculously from this. More then half his cabinet was a high figure in the energy business before they were appointed. Oil of course being well known. Like Halliburton(The corporation Cheney was CEO of until the 2000 elections) has gotten approx 5 billion dollars in the recent war. They get contracts in every country we invade. Bush also gains that much is diverted from his neglegence of our economy. No matter what, if the economy ****s up as his result, he can just point to 9-11. Bush is now the 'war president'. He doesn't have to pay attention to much other then his own war schedule until election time. lol. After 9-11 all questions about the shortcomings of the Bush regime in every area are toned way down. Public figures like Guliani get merit and national recognition a precurser to his white house bid(expect him to be running for President in 2008 or 2012). Plenty of government figures and affiliates gained a LOT from 9-11, whether they knew about it, did it, wanted it to happen, didn't want it to happen, it is undeniable that many parties gained from it. "I can't prove one way or another but I noticed you didn't actually source anything. Somehow I think the web of sources will probably rely on quite a few people I wouldn't trust but you would." The ironic thing is, I have a high amount of distrust for conglomorate media, but they are where I would reference in the first place for this evidence! They were there live, and their own videos are what implicates these things. CNN, Fox News, ABC, etc, are his sources! lol. Video from an event like 9-11 in this fasion doesn't need a reference as much because they are all the **** over, everyone has seen them(minus maybe the pigmies in South America lol). "It defies reason. And guess what? I can't prove the negative. That's the position you've put me in. I can't prove that this didn't occur. I could give you evidence/experts to say that it did, but you would say they are hired by the government/media." Well, all the experts I know that had direct contact were hired by the government or media. lol. Whether they are there to distort or not. But, I would be very amused by an expert who says the fuel in those planes could take down 2 of the strongest structures in our country through ridiculous amounts of temperatures falling flat like they were demolished perfectly crumbling to the ground. And then about the same amount of fuel hit the pentagon, and not even singe the rooms the holes in the building show! lol. Not to mention supposedly fly through a 16 foot wide hole when the plane is 100sumthin feet wide and 44 feet tall, and not even a SHRED of evidence a plane hit the building is available. No wreckage, not video tapes. Nothing. There simply is not an expert alive that can rationalize that logically in the picture that is widely accepted IMO.

xanas, your statements may have bearing in other cases. But not one as widely known as this. There were definetly 11 UFOs. 3 of them showed up on radar, 8 did not. They were DEFINETLY not reflections. lol. The thing that makes this one different from most others. Is the Mexican government/military confirms this. The Pilots confirm this. A whole fricken battalion of military troops, confirm this. Civilians, confirm this. Pictures, confirm this. Radar, confirms this. You write things off as easy as I would hope if I was one to gain from keeping these things unknown. And my guess for the reason of Fox News' ridiculously funny, but distorted coverage of this, would be so they cant be said to have not reported it.

quoting that article:"I had heard from other 911 activists who told me that von Kleist had admitted to them in person that the claims he presented about this footage were mistaken" lol. Nice debunking there . What part of the video do you think was edited!? Or are you just saying that because you can't believe this happened? "It should not surprise anyone that mass hallucinations can be pretty common, even warpings of the memory of events when someone uses suggestion well." LOL! So lemme get this straight, some unnamed people say they heard him in person say he misjudged his video. Then/or, he edited the video personally. Then/or people who are watching are having mass hallucinations!? LMFAO!!!! You crack me up man. Its always funny to see people who have not the capacity to realize some thing scramble to try to explain or debukn them. "And yeah, I find it a just a little odd they act like everyone else is in on the conspiracy (the news, etc.) because why would they go after Bush on the national guard crap if that were the case?" Firstly, the media in the USA is under quite a close guard. They all have personal interests to protect, their book, their job, etc. I guess though if you are threatened to not show footage you have, your in on a conspiracy? And going after Bush on his national guard **** is regular election crap.. Kerry is rather spineless, and so is the supposed 'opposing' media. You can try to think in your own logic about how this can't be true. But the evidence is in the videos. I actually remember watching one of them LIVE on CNN while they were talking with Tom Clancy. I remember it VIVIDLY, I was also what the **** was the explosion coming up wind. But I soon forgot about it, and didnt really think about it as this event was not normal. "This is how conspiracies work. Eventually so many have to be included that people will start labeling guys like me who disagree government spies (and if you think that's a funny comment, I'll state that it wouldn't be the first time I've seen someone accused of such with these type of things)." lol. blahblahblah. The video is proof. All you can say is you don't believe it. But most of, if not all the video, is 100% surely not messed with. As the questions asked show up on EVERY tape of 9-11. "I think, considering the alternative view (that the government just randomly killed hundreds of people for fun on a plan and flew a military plane into the building) that this is pretty nutty." He never said the government did this. He just shows things, that were conveniently looked over, he just gives us video PROOF. Not a conclusion of who or why this happened. "Also, if a huge policy was taken out by the owners of the buildings, the insurance companies would still lose out big time, and they would certainly investigate claims like yours. IF this was something presentable in court do you honestly see it not being presented?" Firstly, not ownerS, OWNER, Larry Silverstein. But your right, under the assumption all these people are honest people, working in the system like you assume. It would be investigated! Since it was not, this also implies something! Just another piece of evidence of foul play on 9-11. Silverstein got over 3 BILLION dollars in his insurance policy. And no investigation has happened. Your reasoning is right, which is why their contradictory actions shows more proof of such a cover up. Look into it man, they didnt investigate Silverstein and his sudden gain of 3+ billion dollars from this. And his all so convenient evasion of hundreds of millions of repairs needed on the buildings. More proof of a mass conspiracy.

Whoever watched it without the sound, LOL, you wouldnt really know what to look for. And if you did, you may not even realize how odd and un-explained it really is. You seemed to focus only on the picture of a missile like thing attached the the bottom. If you had a picture of a normal jet of that size, you would realize that black blur the size of a missle is NOT normal. But thats not even a third of his showing. Overview: Basically it goes through the pentagons condition first. The plane that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon had 86,000 gallons of jet fuel. Which would burn at 86,000,000 BTUs for many many hours according to experts. If such planes took down 2 towers that were considered very strong buildings, then it would have at least scolded the Pentagon badly. In the pentagon rubble you can clearly see that the rooms exposed by the holes had no burning in them, they even still have books sitting on tables, etcetc, not a mark on them. Plus the hole is 16 feet wide that this plane supposedly made until the building collapsed a bit later. The plane is like a hundred something feet wide and 44 feet tall. It somehow fit through a 16 foot wide hole, and left absolutly no wreckage anywhere to be seen. Also, there are TONS of cameras on, and in the pentagon, not one is released that shows a plane hitting it. Further, a gas stations camera angle DID catch what hit it, and Pentagon officials confiscated the tape before anyone could watch it. Also, 3 firemen were to come on the raio show this guy does, 3 firemen who were at the pentagon putting the fire out. An hour before the show they cancel, he later finds they are put on permanent leave. As for the WTCs. He starts by showing interviews only shown once on 9-11 then thrown in the vaults. Like: NYC Firemen saying they clearly heard/saw numerous explosions before the buildings went down, demolition style floor by floor. As well as firemen IN the buildings who heard explosions going on shortly before they went down. Video evidance, another live shot CNN had, but also threw in the vault to never show agian. WHen the 2 WTCs are smoking, the air is clearly blowing away and right from the camera. Both of the WTCs still standing. But a 6 story tall explosion of smoke bellows out upwind from the buildings. Then, Larry Silverstein(the guy who conveniently bought the WTCs 6 weeks prior to them getting blown up, taking out the largest insurance policy available, as well as 'coincidently' not having to put in hundreds of millions the buildings needed in repairs) is audio'd in saying he opted to the fire department to "pull the building", a demolition term, talking about blowing up builing 7 demolition style. In an interview on PBS he said that. But it takes weeks to plan a demolition of a building. And building 7 fell to the ground in PERFECT demolition style, from what 'officially' went down as a fire that somehow got from WTC to building 7. As well as witnesses saying they saw, and heard explosions coming from the building. Then, there is a missile sized black thing attached to the bottom of the second plane flying into the WTCs. As well as a large light source illuminating right when the second plane hits the second WTC. This light source is seen by every angle recording the collision. Examining the ONLY video of the first plane hitting the first WTC. It ALSO has this light up like a big illumination of a point in the WTC tower, except this time it's easily seen that this happens before the plane even hits the building. So before the first plane hit, there was a blast hitting the first WTC when the plane is about 20 feet from hitting the building, and right when the second plane hit the second WTC, there is also a blast. There are also witnesses(that worked for Fox News actually) saying 'the plane is not like one they had ever seen "no windows", "definetly not what you would see at an airport" etcetc. Also has a lady when the first plane hit "That was not an American plane". Unfortunatly the site is unavailable now

seriously. The evidence this shows is pretty much undisputable. Not who did it, but that what is thought of what happened on 9-11, is debunked. Get realplayer if you can.

The video comes up right when the page loads. And people I know at this moment are watching it.

it doesnt work? Works for me :~P You need realplayer.