Product of the Cosmos

I have played 21 hours so far, and nothing of this sort has happened to me.

Game of the Year IMO. Im 16 hours in, and this is already way more fun then Fable and Halo 2 combined. I would estimate I'm about 10-15% done with the game. I'm very interested in the characters. Moreso then in the first kotor. Menus are slick. The only complaint I would even remotely have, is the framerate is pretty much the same as the first. Not horrible or anything.. Just a nip from perfection. lol. Obsidian did a wonderful job balancing out force powers, classes, etcetc it looks. Thank you Obsidian :D Been waiting for a game this good for... uhhh.. Since the last kotor.. lol

uhhh .. errr.. I'm Canadian :D From.. Suskatoon ...... eh? lol

and yet your first argument in favour of automatics is that they're better for when you're stuck in traffic... i see closure of the GM foods thread hasn't altered your taste for bizarro logic. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Arguement? I personally just like them better. And yes they are better in traffic IMO. Maybe if you considered what I was replying to in the quote, you would understand. Yet, you wish to create conflict and dis me. That is the source of your cognizance failure. Potc, for someone who

LOL Hmm.. I will look into schools in the Netherlands. Thx bro.

lol. Well I just have had a feeling America will go through some ridiculous times..... Things like this patriot act re-affirm such things in me. The NWO has been here for a longass time... I dont think they are entirely evil. But I do wish to attain my own safety. And looking at these laws, it seems as if I may be considered a terrorist for wishing my country was safer and less corrupted. Not a happy thought. The Netherlands sound nice... lol

I hope that is the case too. As I have dreams for living in America. That are just unfolding. But if all this is actually enforced, I will definetly move. Your in Europe? What is a good country. Not too hot, lots of green, chill people(who dont hate Americans)? You could help me find a safe place to live. lol... Australia or, like, Finland or something sounds good. lol.

Sorry, forgot the source And search 'Sec 205'. Also, that is the first Patriot act. I am talking about the second, in alignment with the first.

Ok... i COMPLETELY understand how some people don't want stuff spoiled for them... (I personally am not one of them... but to each his own) and it's a reasonible request... BUT, why in god's name would you come to a forum labled, KoToR 2 Spoilers in the first place?? I kind of think if your really wanting to avoid spoilers, posting here is an oxymoron. LoL. KingSnake. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Please stop and breath. And realize I am talking about the title being able to be seen from outside the spoiler forum. Thank you. I mean for example, a title like this:"(Planet name) AMAZING (Persons name)" etc that I would be able to see from outside the forum.. But Since I probably wont venture here until Im done. Im more makin this thread for anyone else whom it may apply to.... Note to the admin: Making the Spoiler forum thread titles not viewable outside the section would be a plus...

What can be done. lol. Aside from a revolutionary rebellion(anyone who organized this, would be executed legally under the patriot act as a terrorist before you heard their name).... Moving out of the country would be a decently effective option. But even then, according to the new patriot act, they can use these laws in other countries too. So. To be safe? The best option(if your not considering changing the planet for the better, or in any way other then what the leaders want) Be docile, and accept anything the Novus Ordo Seclorum(New World Order) declares. Be a sheep, and you should be safe. At least from individual harrassment. We have WHO(World Health Org) delcaring a pandemic will happen soon with flu, killing somewhere near the estimated 7 million worldwide.. Then ACTUAL terrorists(if they even exist) im sure aren't there to help ya out..... lol What to be done... heh.. I dont know. Watch while America slowly changes into a Dictatorship. And try to get lucky, and not be drafted. Salvage your own happiness I guess would be an effective option. But to me, I wish to help the world. This is devastating to me. This type of stuff makes me fear my own safety when humbly projecting my influence on the world... If you wish to not have something of the sort of fate Jesus had, not disputing the world powers, would be a good idea..... And for anyone who doesn't think a New World Order Exists: First look at your 1 dollar USA bill. Under the Pyramid with the eye, says New World Order. Kinda vague, lol, and unproving. How about some quotes, the people doing this, are not even trying to keep it a secret since most people dont care to look anyway:

I notice anyone can see the title of the top thread. So to anyone who may not have thought about it.. Please do not post spoilers in the title out of consideration of everyone. Maybe this has been said, but since kotor II is like the only 'great' game I think I'll play this year, spoiling it would be enfuriating.... I'll be getting the xbox version today anyway... Probably wont come to this site until Im done actually....

America, is obviously no longer the country it once was. Read the new guidelines your country(or the major superpower of your planet) now has. According to patriot act section 205 I am a terrorist for looking into federal funds going to Halliburton! Seriously, I am let down by my country, and plan to move. No longer would I consider living in America, a privelidge. Good luck to those who plan on staying... No longer are we innocent until proven guilty. No longer do we have any safeguards that would prevent a hostile takeover of our country by an enemy if they happen to get ahold of our government. No longer do we have rights. A trial is not needed. A phone call would not have to be permitted. You could be deported to an Iraq prison, for a reason unknown to you. Gathering information on who they might be doing this to(locking up with no rights), is now officially considered terrorism. So don't expect a list of people who have had this happen to them... No longer is there a definition for terrorist past someone doing a crime in America. You can be considered a terrorist now, technically due to the Patriot act, for running a stop sign... If taken technically, and I was a government agent using the 1st and second patriot act. I could follow my enemy until he runs a stop sign, catagorize that as terrorism(Any act violating domestic law here can now be considered terrorism), pull him over, take him out handcuff him, proceed to BEAT THE LIVING **** out of him, have him deported to Guantanamo with no phone call no answer to where he is to his family, and then have him executed, because 'terrorists' can now be executed with no trial. All completely 'legal' in using patriot act guidlines. Anyway, enough of my opinion or view, how about parts of act itself(which members who voted to pass it, admit, they didnt even read!: Source

lmao.

'manual cars' is tautology because a car without manual isn't really a car - it's like a larger version of those bumper cars they have at fun fairs, with 'go' and 'stop' pedals. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> lol. I guess a 'car' to you is manually shifting... lol. Yea, it's somewhat a fun method of driving... But to me, a car is something to use to travel places. It would SUCK to have a manual in **** traffic everyday IMO.. I eat, smoke, talk on the phone, etc when I am driving. Automatic is what I drive. Although I might be getting a manual VW soon too. I just like auto better. Not like the performance is THAT much of a difference... It's more like a hobby of shifting yourself. lol. I've gotten my auto honda civic up to 110 mph. I think thats fast enough for me. lol

So in saying such, a genetically modified corn variety could develop something and pass it on to other corn more easily? A hightened chance you would say by extending their genetype? So what your saying is, they are only possibly unsafe when they are made to be unsafe? lol.... They will/have never do/done something unknown? Sorry if I am being out of hand in saying it is not in good logic IMO to judge on incomplete or unknown things when applying your opinion onto the rest of the world(as GE food companies are doing). Your saying evolution does not have anything to do with what an organism feeds off of? Interesting conclusion to jump to.. What about the evolution of something genetically modified. Are you saying this thing would not evolve? Because if it had nothing to do with evolution, it wouldn't evolve, eh?

lol. Your perception. I have a perception too. Who says their's is universal? And likewise, when have you ever proved anything I have said wrong? I'm wondering if you thought the quoted comment was directed at you. lol. EIther way you feel moreneed to dis me. =P A hobby of yours.

lol hades I would like for someone with information of any kind to show it. I bring forth my opinion with facts and other opinions, yes(which is much more then you have done). But not like you talking **** to me is relevant. I dont want a discussion? LOL. Then why would I make the thread. You think I assume people on these boards agree with me often?! lol. Like I said. Please stay on topic. At least post some sort of article or factual, or at least logical opinion, before giving me your animosity.

More on Monsanto courtesy of the business ethics teacher at Pacific U: They DNA test and keep samples of every one of their possible employees. They have proposed plans to use human DNA in GE food... But seriously. How many people in this thread rant about how stupid I am. Yet, do not add anything to the discussion? You people are getting logic lessons from TAKS! lmfao!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, selective reading is common it seems in this thread. It seems the selective focus is now on DNA ITSELF not affecting you. Well, my main point with that is DNA makes things happen. The DNA doesn't have to effect you directly, it does when you consume ANYTHING. The DNA was the internal schematic for the life to grow. So what grows is a product of what DNA it has. Regardless of if you actually infuse with the DNA itself, you are being effected by the DNA of an given thing you consume. lol. That is such a flawed arguement. The arguement that DNA from something has no effect on us because we have not turned into the DNA attributes that we eat, it is that of which I would expect from a 5 year old.... Are you saying your DNA doesn't randomly infuse with DNA when you consume it, at least in the blink of an eye? Well no **** sherlock. You think that would be the only possible effect? The term 'you are what you eat' should not be taken literally, but it has some truth to it. Plus we don't really know much about evolution at this point IMO, I think it is logical to assume or at least egknowledge the possibility that what we eat effects our DNA down the line. Why do you think cows that are fed cow grow diseases? How would the stomach know it's meat from it's own kind? Why is it that cannibalism is such a no-no. IF it doesn't matter what DNA is in our food? Common sense.. lol. Well I think it's obvious your level of comprehension of genetics is of grade school level. And you not being able to explain it I think points towards you not even understanding what you say. lol. Just dont post in here hades. Your posting spiteful one liners. You have no use in this thread past flaming... lol. I'm finding a pattern here. People no longer are debating the subject, and are attacking me largely. Ussually this means they have lost the debate. I dont think either side has 'won' this debate. But one side has resorted to put downs... Observe what you will from such.

lol More on this issue from a WIDE array of sources:

hmmm.. Troy, Chronicles of Riddick, and I know I'm forgetting a couple more... Was this years movies really that bad? lol... Or maybe I just dont get out to the theatre as much as I used too...

No, it is not. Even if you buy the theory that humans pick mates the same way animals do (i.e. unconsciously selecting the best available specimen to mix genes with) -- and this is highly debatable -- it is still not the same. When such an unconscious choice is made, the decision rests on the sum total of all genetic factors. Nothing specific is involved; people don't go around selecting mates with thoughts like "I'm a fast runner; she is a fast runner. Therefore, our children are likely to be fast runners and this is makes her a good candidate." We may (unconsciously) aim for the best overall set of traits, but not for any particular one. With selective breeding on the other hand (what we have done for centuries), we do exactly the above selection of particular traits. If you want a fast greyhound or horse, you take two that are fast and have them mate. Repeat several hundred times using offspring, and you have some really fast animals. Their other genes may not be optimized at all (they might have some diseases or something of the sort), but at least they are fast. You can then take the fast horses and select the strongest of them and breed them for strength. The result may or may not be as fast as before, but they will also be strong. Similarly, eaten birds can be bred for size and so on. In each case, we are aiming to get a particular characteristic rather than the overall set -- often at the expense of the overall set. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We consciously, and subconcsiously IMO pick a mate. We ussually are more attracted to the more fit, plus we take into account the projection of self through clothes, personality, and so on... success, teeth, money, so many things. What do you think the Monarchs do? What do you think Monarchs have done for ages? Same things different acceleration of life spans. We as humans tend to think of ourselves so above everything else. A weakness IMO. As we have seen in the past. Many of these tests are not completed correctly when it comes to things harming us.. Like prescription drugs. Maybe they are safe. But maybe we are subjecting millions, possibly billions of people, to be harmed in an unknown way. And with corps like Monsanto at the top of the industry it doesn't exactly assure these things are in safe hands IMO. For example: lol. Tell that to some people in this thread... Profit makers are not exactly in the same light as researchers. They research enough to make a profit. Taking a quote directly from Monsanto: "Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA's job." Their goal is obviously not learning, it's making a profit. And funny you bring up religion. I am by no means religious in a modern sense. I reject religion strongly. It is another business I see as negative in many ways. But 'playing God' just seems naive at this point. Not to say what we have learned is not an accomplishment. I am just conservative by nature, when it comes to my own nature. lol. This coming from a 'liberal'... lol. Labels... Anyway, odd to me someone like Bush who is supposedly majorly religious doesn't contest 'playing God' with genetics... But is opposed to stem cell research... My point was if we are so sure we know a lot about genetics, how about just develop an organism that eats cancer then dies. Something of that sort. lol. Would be an inetresting finding. How about asking Halliburton employees to eat only genetically modified foods for a full year. Or even a week. I wonder what they would say... I place a high possibility they would look at you like the politicians MMoore asked to sign their kids up for the military and fight in Iraq. lol...

Very convincing arguement you got there hades. You seem to never want to explain your position...

Hades as I said, and will have to repeat agian. There are different methods of GE'd food. The ones we have done for centuries is equivalent to how we pick a mate. I'm not sure why you can't see that. Sure we don't eat our mate, but the process is the same. Pick what you like and produce with it. Now if we designed our babies genetics, that would be the equivalent to the methods I'm speaking of being iffy.

What have I ignored? You mean my opinion differs? If your talking about the journals you have to pay for, screw that. And the person who reffered them didn't answer my plea for quoting the facts found from them.. So am I dense for not believing what someone says, and won't even back up with the very facts they say proves me wrong? Did anyone actually buy those journals?! You can't bash an opinion into someone by numbers and call them someone who does not hear for not conforming to the crowd. Just because more people believe something doesn't mean it's right. Bring me undisputable proof and I will look at it surely. But already mine, and anothers opinion differs when it comes to undisputable proof. It seems some people think a scientist writing a report on their findings means thats undisputable... What have we established here? -We dont know for sure what the full effects from GE food is. WHile right now there is no huge negative known effects. -We pretty much know for sure the biggest GE food maker in the world(Monsanto) is not ethical, or concerned about the complete safety of their products(as they said its the FDA's job to ensure the safety of something). -The biggest GE food maker in the world is very closely tied to the process that certifies the food being safe. This speaks leaps and bounds in itself... Are there GE methods that are completely safe out there? IMO sure. Are the GE mtheods that are unsafe, or products of such that would be negative? IMO sure as well. Taking out the certifying process is not smart IMO. Who wouldn't certify their own product.... lol.

lol!!!!!!!!!!!! Fundamental comprehendion we both seem to think the other lacks. Your ego is too big to realize what you may determine reality, is your own determination. Is there really one unified 'real' reality? I wouldn't go as far as saying yes or no for sure. What you cannot understand you are not meant to. Anyone who says GE foods have absolutely no (possible or in action now) negative effect implies they know everything about genetics. Or their reference knows everything about genetics. Simple as that. This is an opinion, and I dissagree with it. But I guess I'm completely fine with it as long as people know what they are eating. There should be a label on the food saying it is GE'd. And the people can choose for themselves. And they get what they deserve through threir own logic of choice. This is not done. So it is not ethical as well as hasty IMO. One size does not fit all. You have to take into consideration the variables like your human mind is well capable of, when applying how much to investigate something before implementing it into large numbers. Comparing a light bulb to the building blocks of life, is quite a large difference. Do you really think one size fits all in that regard? Do you think the building blocks of life are something to be taken lightly? Or do you think they may be soething you would take more cautiously then most other things.... It really depends IMO. Safe? Well, yes, you do need to know every, or at least most, of the details to know it's safe when messing with something of genetic magnitude. Effective? Whole diff story. Sure we can make something effective. And that's where we stand now. We know enough to make it effective, but not know for sure whether or not it's safe. Mutations. heh. Mutations we have a hard time controlling because we are genetic novices. Exactly my point. Some people don't have a choice. And many don't even know what they are buying. They are not warned often. Name them. The greater powers.... Not to say there is not. But I'm curious as to who you are reffering to. But in any event, yes, they ARE messing with our food. lol. Genetics are the blueprint for the plant/animal. If I made a gene that made something taste better, but caused cancer in 3 years if taken in high doses, are you absorbing the genes? Or are you obsorbing the product of them? Either way. The genes of something effect us.