Product of the Cosmos

Predetermined perspectives are overrated. Just look at the facts and have a perspective of probabilities is the way I work with stuff like this. And did you look at the flight list for flight 77?? The one that supposedly hit the pentagon? So this quote applies to you you would say xanas: "The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." -J Edgar Hoover

What the hell are you talking about? The most arrogant?!!? They dont deserve a championship after like 80 years?! How so?

Do I have to buy it?!

"The US simply needs to mind its own store and not get in the face of other nations' business nor give aid. Americans for Americans first." lol. Thats a bit late. We have ****ed over enough nations for 100 years of rightful retribution America the machine was barely ever about Americans. Least for the last hundreds or so years IMO.

"btw, the plane did not hit only the first ring of the pentagon..." Never said the plane only hit the first ring. "it was on the ground first (it hit the helipad) and travelled into the 3rd ring. the photos CLEARLY indicate that AND, it's pretty easy to tell that a truck bomb did not do such damage." Never said a truckbomb hit the pentagon. Never even hinted at that being possible. "sheesh, "conclusive" in only your eyes... keep banging that drum." Did you watch the video of the pentagon? A second is edited out. The date is wrong. And CNN manipulated the tape. That is conclusive. Now read who was on the plane. With your 'open mindedness' LOL what a joke. "this is the problem with nearly every one of your theories. ou have a gut feeling that there is a conspiracy, then you go find evidence to prove your theory rather than test it." I have been exposed to things you obviously cannot imagine taks. But that's irrelevant to you. So why don't you examine my facts with your self-claimed 'open mindedness and education'. And come to your normal conclusion of 'nothing to see here folks'. lol

"uh, maybe, just maybe this is why they had to do the 270 loop around because they weren't skilled enough to drop the plane given their position prior to the loop around? you provide evidence contrary to your own position only one sentence after the conspiracy theory and don't even see it..." lol.. Military pilots noted amazing skill in this manuever. Not just a quandry. And if you had examined the facts of flight 77, you would see the flight pilot had amazing precision. "this is why PoTC doesn't like me. i'm educated (extremely educated) and informed. i get my news from more than one source - biased foxnews AND unbiased CBS AND unbiased CNN AND unbiased MSN AND the AP AND reuters AND... get the point? pseudo-science doesn't pass by me and i call him on it, regularly, and he whines. he'll whine about these latest three or four, too. also, i'll admit, once he starts calling people stupid (often), i'll report him. btw, the difference between what i'm doing here and an outright flame is that i'm attacking PoTC's methods... big difference. taks" lol taks. Reason why I dont really like you is you follow me around with flames. You harrass me. Since the mods tightened up you just generally attack my methods as you put it nowadays. You rarely examine what I fully provide.. And you just come off as angry. Your posts are directed at ME, instead of what I am posting. And you ignore anything that doesn't apply to your pre-determined world. Your objective is to hurt/discredit me. Which is the reason why I'm not fond of you. You rarely argue something in a post without looking at the poster.

sources: CNN 9-11 victims website Legacy.com Remembering America DefendAmerica.mil Boston Globe

Someone inquired what would happen to the passengers of the flights... First, how about who they were. Summary of Flight 77 passengers: * Total passengers: 64 * Passengers involved in gov

"Come talk to me when Bush murders hundreds of thousands of Amerikans, threatens to take over all the Amerikas (like Saddam did with the ME); etc., etc." Saddam did with, you? O.o And the Bush's have helped in the murder of hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. Arguably millions. Don't have to be Americans to be human. But apparently a lot of the time when your American your inhumane...

People have been saying that for the last 30 years on and off. Thing is for mr and mrs average American they are living quite happily and in relative safety. More so than many other countries. Unless your a member of the disafected or you dont happen to getting your own way (which happens in democracies) then most people have more imediate concerns. And of course the biggy which is there is a huge difference between whinging and actually doing something. My own personal feeling is that people who are that disafected should bugger off to another country and see how long they last under a real dictator. A friend of mine was shot by a rubber bullet when the Irish troubles were at their hottest. But no one forced him to be where he was and as bad as it was the soldiers firing the rubber bullets (which are not intended to kill but hurt like hell) cant exactly aim in crowds of 1000's which are not exactly static. One major factor why you wont see a cival war is this. You certainly have enough people and weapons on paper. But those people hate each other with the same passion that they hate the government. Its like little tribes only without the common heritage that allows tribes to unite when something more threatening comes along and puts a stop to their "normal" infighting. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Using chemical weapons agianst your own people(like in this case), and taking away their freedoms may have a bigger effect the you think...

I agree in most ways^ But if people's direct freedoms are taken away, I bet they react largely. Time will tell. Civil war and/or WW3 in next 10 years I'd say over 87% chance of happening.

lmfao! I just might.. I've always wanted to fire some insane gun. lol.

I'm buying a sniper and a handgun =P They are fun to shoot anyway, as hopefully I will never have to use them. But more importantly supplies are something to get. Not just the possibility of WW3 or civil war etc.. Global warming, and other unseen things.. Just having stuff like never ending flashlights, canned foods. Seeds of good fruits veges, medical stuff like comfry aloe, etc... I just have an internal thing telling me to get ready for something big. And I have learned to listen to such internal insite. "I want a pepper gun. One powerful enough like the one that knocked the dude down that was shot in the back." I'll sell you one. If you want. lol.. Are you over 18? You just have to find the pepper spray balls... Probably harder to find. I have a fire extinguisher size pepper spray too(with a 30 foot spray length and like 10 foot radius). lmao. But thats not for sale.

lol. Time will tell. "There needs to be a major catalyst for civil war to happen in the US again" Would something like this be such a catalyst(just to name random stuff that comes to mind as possible): -9-11 uncovered as a USA military inside job -Another election scandal -Martial Law by Bush regime(rights tramples even further and more severely with new patriot act clause) -Iraq going more south -Another 'terrorist attack' -Privatized Federal $ section collapse -Events like this taking place all over the nation(1000 internal SWAT teams all over the nation are being trained as we speak) -Global Economy ripple as USA gets less and less the superpower -Mass energy shortages(oil, common household energy etc) -Invasion of another country or two -Draft -list goes on Causing: US internal war between freedom(what this country was founded on) and oppression(what we faught to make this country). USA military focus is crippled on internal problems and detereorating events in Iraq/Afganistan. Other countries realize this launch an attack on Isreal, UK- WW3 Iraq would be a major point of control in a WW3. Is it coincidence we are building huge underground noradlike military bases in Iraq right now? And we went in on 'questionable reasons'? Maybe...

I am moving very close to Canada next month. lmao.

This is bigger then an election IMO. This is where America is at right now. Bush or not, were all on the same boat. Civil war in America IMO will happen in the next 10 years more then likely. And WW3 will break out soon after.. Things like this bring this closer and more probable.

This is different. This is the Secret Service involved, and a President around his election. In one of Americas craziest 4 years ever in just about every way. Eldar your response shows you really dont seem to care about your fellow Americans rights IMO. A sad thing.

"The rally and march were peaceful and successful; people felt energized and empowered. Then during our vigil to unwelcome the motorade, police attacked protesters standing on the sidewalk without provocation. Secret Service officers began pushing people off the sidewalk onto the street, police officers shoved those same people back onto the sidewalk. Women with children in their arms were grabbed and pushed, young kids were pepper-sprayed. An elderly man was knocked to the ground. While he was crawling on the sidewalk, a younger man shielded him with his own body. The young man was shot in the back at point-blank range with pepper pellets. He has burning open wounds. We have all of it on videotape. The media is suppressing most of it." Seeing my country deteorate in front of me is not much of a laughing matter... Sound pollution? LOL. Now that's ridiculous.

AP is mainstream(big money). And still includes things like this: "We were here to protest Bush and show our support for Kerry," said Cerridewen Bunten, 24, a college student and retail clerk. "Nobody was being violent. We were out of the streets so cars could go by. We were being loud, but I never knew that was against the law." Bunten said she was pushed by police as she held her 6-year-old daughter." hmmm... "Police reacted by firing pepperballs, which he described as projectiles like a paintball filled with cayenne pepper. Two people were arrested for failing to disperse. There were no reports of injuries. Protester Richard Swaney, 65, of Central Point, said he was walking with the crowd away from the inn when he was hit in the back with three separate bursts, one of which knocked him down." =P or.... How about this Jacksonville Organizer Sets the Record Straight "I appreciate the widespread coverage of police attacking peaceful demonstrators on the sidewalk in Jacksonville, Oregon during an October 14th anti-Bush protest. However, the AP story included the blatant lie by Jacksonville city administrator Paul Wyntergreen that the demonstration was peaceful until protesters began pushing police. I helped organize the event and would like to provide background and set the record straight: Recent local press coverage has changed the story to say that police pushed demonstrators and then some demonstrators "put their hands on police." I spoke with one woman who was pushed by Secret Service onto the street, only to be pushed back onto the sidewalk by police. When a uniformed officer shoved her by pushing the child in her arms, she put her arms out to defend her child and touched the officer's arms. I spoke three times with the Chief of Police in Jacksonville and once with the Sheriff so that they knew exactly what we were planning and we could safely exercise our First Amendment rights. The chief said he was primarily concerned about hostile conservatives hassling us. The Sheriff 's last words to me were: "If everyone stays on the sidewalk, we won't have any problems." This was an event for all kinds of people: low-key, lots of families, no civil disobedience. We handed out information sheets on non-violent codes of conduct, kept our crowd of 200-300 people on the sidewalk. We had a 100-foot long red carpet of UNwelcome upon which people wrote their criticisms of the administration's policies, which we rolled out on the sidewalk. The rally and march were peaceful and successful; people felt energized and empowered. Then during our vigil to unwelcome the motorade, police attacked protesters standing on the sidewalk without provocation. Secret Service officers began pushing people off the sidewalk onto the street, police officers shoved those same people back onto the sidewalk. Women with children in their arms were grabbed and pushed, young kids were pepper-sprayed. An elderly man was knocked to the ground. While he was crawling on the sidewalk, a younger man shielded him with his own body. The young man was shot in the back at point-blank range with pepper pellets. He has burning open wounds. We have all of it on videotape. The media is suppressing most of it. During the police attacks, I was across a narrow side street from the area being suddenly cleared. Police trapped me on that stretch of sidewalk in the throng of Bush supporters. I was on the leading edge of that group in the first row of people facing riot cops, at the intersection being cleared. We were not pushed back. I was safe from police abuse because I was among Bush supporters. Only protesters were pushed back from the intersection through which the motorcade passed. This was not a security move by the Secret Service. If they were trying to ensure the President's safety, they would have pushed people back on both sides of the street. In addition, if police had wanted to clear the area without incident, they had plenty of time. The President was dining. They could have used his entire mealtime to secure the area, rather than waiting until the moment of his departure from the restaurant to suddenly bark garbled orders, push people, and shoot people in the back as they "failed to disperse." At the end of the night, when I was finally reunited with my family, I thanked my spouse for keeping our children safe from the police. On Friday, October 15th, we held a press conference in front of Jacksonville City Hall; tight message, great testimony from victims and eyewitnesses. We provided raw video footage showing police aggression including the incident outlined above. One channel showed a bit of the "shielding" footage, but with no context or explanation. The other channel showed the injuries to the man's back, but included police rhetoric that violent protesters caused the melee. Also, that station chose to ignore our damning footage of police violence and ran our image of a line of riot cops standing in formation. This same "news" station aired extensive, chirpy coverage of the honeymoon suite where the President stayed, including the remains of his breakfast and the discarded carton of milk. They also showed the empty patio at the restaurant where he had dined. It is only when you know the quality of information and footage provided to the news media that you can fully grasp just how much they sanitize and suppress, or sometimes just plain bumble. I have a lot to do right now, including organizing a facilitated conversation for the traumatized children to process their feelings, and talk with attorneys about our legal standing. We are also working on video documentation of witness accounts and planning a citizen forum on community policing. I would like people to know the real story. It is a sad time for dissent. They want us to be afraid to even stand on the sidewalk holding a sign. They want to marginalize dissenters and make citizens and families afraid to assemble. This story is far from over."