Product of the Cosmos

See now you have went and made me mad :angry: , and it is for the reason Taks usually rebuts your statements of fact. You did no checking into the facts at all you assumed. I never once said I hunted for sport you assume I did because that is what most people do. I have eaten many meats goose, duck, raccoon, muscrat, squirrel, deer, and carp to name a few all things my family has hunted. Since me and my wife are in a better position than my mother and father were when we got married I don't see the pressing need to hunt any more. The other thing is while your bleeding heart is in the right place people like you tend to forget Sport hunting does serve a purpose. You see as people moved west they removed all the top predators( wolves and cougers) because they would kill domesticated livestock. So now we as humans fill the top predator position to keep populations in check. Now normally I would not have pointed this out but since you angered me I feel argumentetive. I pointed out earlier in this thread that humans have genetically manipulated all of its domesticated animals and plants for at least a 1000 years or more. It was a process called selective breeding. I will say it again I find it funny you have no problem eating genetically altered food until it is done in a more scientific way. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Firstly I didnt say you hunted for sport. Reason why I said ironically is because I think killing for fun has been a key factor to the deteororation of certain connections as I said before hand. And secondly, if we put 2 animals in the same cage, and they breed, that is, IMO, very different then going in and messing with the DNA ourselves. Sure we were a part of the breeding, but the DNA and things we do not know of intertwine like they would have eventually in a matter of time anyway. Scientific DNA modification is very different to me compared to 'helped out' natural way of fusing DNA. Funny, corn and tomatoes dont taste good to me anymore.(well corn does sometimes, but not often). I used to LOVE corn, and tomatoes weren't thatbad. Now I can't stand tomatoes...

I still do not think GM food is appropriate as we do not know all the variables involved. Not knowing all the variables involved, and releasing it to the public is rather careless IMO. I think taking better care of our planet would be a better solution then GM food. :~P "GIVES itself to the predator? I dunno about you, but back in China, when I had to kill a chicken or turtle so dinner could be served, the thing usually fought like hell. I still have a scar on my left wrist from where a turtle bit me." "P.S. As a once avid hunter I have never had game give its self to me, I have always had to work for it because natures most hardwired instinct is survival." This must be a new concept for you guys. Basically what Im saying is the spirit of the animal(s) accept it's fate. As for it's resistance, if you cannot overcome, your not worthy of the named acceptance and blessing. Also I believe that we imprint into the genetic mind of collective species certain things. We have somewhat ripped to shreds the sacred connection in many ways with our carelessness. And ironically next subject, hunting for sport, is rather crude and stupid IMO. I don't think any animal would give you their blessing when you kill them for sport. Someone who hunts and kills humans is thought of as a murderer, I think of hunters for sport in the same mindset. "It's strange how my education supplies fuel for your theories, because so far, the only fuel your theories run on is hot air." You cannot comprehend things outside the norm of Science for this era. One could not count the times one rooted in 'then' modern Science has discounted claims his books do not cover, as false because of a mix of ego and lack of vision and awareness. Although I'm not sure why you would say "It's strange how my education supplies fuel for your theories" when I said the opposite... "Show me how some of your theories can exist and I'll concede." Something like the 'energy' picture technology by the Russians to give one known example(which I'm sure you will go on and on about how it doesn't prove anything, lol). I'd bet if that hadn't been found yet and I claimed it, it would be psuedo Science to you. lol. Everything alive has this energy. A Shamans hand radiates like 10 times the amount of this energy as a normal person. This is one of the first 'official' accounts of documented history that touches upon the subjects I go into. The power of prayer. I am by no means a religious person, actually, I think religion is one of the worst things in humanity, and see it used as an object of control. But the power of prayer has been found to increase the chances of someone sick etc. Since many of the things I talk about are only known behind the most top secret agendas, lets look into the government for hints. President Bush recently is trying to take advantage of the results of prayer by asking that 2.5 million people or more pray for him to win the election. A somewhat baseless claim to you though I'm sure. Until recently the sacred 'Ghost dance' by Native Americans was outlawed by the US government. Back in the 70's some in the know 'hippies' got the idea to stand on all 5 corners of the pentagon, and "send love" into it. Within 5 minutes black helicopters, and agents arrest them. It is now officially illegal to have a group stand the 5 corners of the US military building, the pentagon(the most powerful shape of sacred geometry to my knowledge, the 5 pointed star) and send energy into it. Numerous governments have in the last 50 years realized researching and developing these often discounted subjects will benefit them. "The Scientific approach will also be tried with telepathy, UFO's, and other parapsychological and occult phenomena, long ignored but gaining Scientific credibility of late in the scientific community." http://www.foia.cia.gov/docs/DOC_000011234...112348_0001.gif Most often telepathy occurs spontaneously in incidents of crisis where a relative or friend has been injured or killed in an accident. An individual is aware of the danger to the other person from a distance. Such information seems to come in different forms as in thought fragments, like something is wrong; in dreams, visions, hallucinations, mental images, in clairaudience, or in words that pop into the mind. Also, telepathy is a 2 way road. As you brought up a guy that will give someone a million dollars if they can read his mind. Well that doesn't work. Thats like saying have sex with someone who hates you without rape(plz excuse my rather crude example). It's highly unlikely. But I can see how a scam like that would convince you telepathy isn't real.. As you literally know nothing about it personally. So it seems right. Mind control. Recently through the FOIA the CIA was forced to release 18,000 pages of documents on their investigation of mind control. After I review the ridiculous amount released(obviously to make the valid info harder to find) I'll make sure to post what I find. Including governments interest and success in research. Others are picking it up in mainstream as well. http://moebius.psy.ed.ac.uk/index.php3?text=1 University of Edinburg offers a course in parapsychology. By the year 2020 I'd bet many Universities across the world will be realizing the value and validity of such courses. As we are in the infant stages of 'official' study of this subject. And it will be proven to be found more and more credible as time passes. You write off my claims as an attempt to deal with a 'boring' world. lol. Well, I dont blame you I guess.. But I experience these things personally. And that is how I know. But I dont expect you to buy into that, esspecially since you have been overly presumtious. Although you seem intelligent, I feel you are a very stubborn person when it comes to backtracking. A quote from one of the British professors who teach parapsychology that describes you rather well mith: "One concrete way the Scientist applies the scientific epistemology is to cultivate an attitude of skepticism. I do not mean the attitude of many critics of parapsychology, which is not true skepticism but rather an overly credulous attitude towards their own pet interpretations of psychic phenomena." Prana. Prana is the hindu word describing an element of what I speak of. It is the energy in everything. It is in the air, but also is in all places air cannot reach. We draw in prana more clearly and easily through our breathing then any other form according to the Hindus. And I have come acrossed some things that give evidence of this. About 6 months ago I was given by a master who I found(or who found me), a sacred teaching of methods of breathing passed on from person to person. One learns it, and passes it on to one worthy after ten years or more. Studying these methods of breathing I have noticed some very profound things. But, of course, I cannot give you evidence as I will be breaking a promise. In his words "Dogs do not deserve the truth and the benefits of such." He was rather harsh as I wouldn't say your a dog, more of a arrogant modern Scientist, but I translate that into 'the ignorant do not deserve the truth'. So I guess chalk that up under 'ya right your just lying' as I bet most would.. lol.. Presumable anyway. I probably would too. Although mainstream you can pick up a book called 'Science of Breath' published by the Yogi Society. This will give you some tips if anyone wants to look into this further. I'm rather tired. I'll probably pick this up later with more.

you just posted the same crap... agian. I reffer back to my previous posts a bit ^up^ there. Since you posted nothing new from your previous arguements. I guess Cheney may have been cloned when we was CEO of Halliburton when they were doing these things or something.. How else would you not link him to the facts provided. Oh thats right, you said they were convicted, then there is no evidence they are criminals. lol.. Blahhhh I'm done wasting my time on your same posts everytime. 'u copy paste' 'there is no criminal connection' 'so they got convicted, so what' 'nuthing to see here' lol. You crack me up man.

quote from this thread times 10 or so: 'there will not be a draft' I'll be here to bump this thread when/if this happens. Also, some points of view in this thread are rather ruthless IMO. You want people to fight and die in a war just because you wouldnt be eligible? Your view is very respectable The chance of draft is going up day by day. What was an almost 0% probability 2 years ago, if somehwere in the 25% now IMO. But since I didnt create the thread for people who just say it won't happen, or people who were already aware of this growing possibility.. No skin off my back :~P As I said, prepare for the worse, hope for the best. We are in for a rough ride the next 4 years. Mark my words.

Good luck with that request fionavar. I hope it's followed :~P

that you are... i do not stalk you. what point is posting an opinion without eliciting debate on said opinion? would you rather everybody just agree with out outright? another sign of pseudo-science, ahem... so? i'm not allowed to comment on something i find worthy of my attention? taks <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Reason why I said it taks, is it gets old as you follow any post I make with generalizations with intent to slander my character. The mods took away angry personal attacks, so you are in overdrive in generalization-mode talking badly about anything I say. Or anything that I have said in the past. Your a troll IMO.

Nice contribution dega. I officially have a group of stalkers here now... lol

blahblahblah taks. You enjoy stalking me. At least I am providing entertainment for you That comment was direct at mith. Not you.

"4. Product of the Cosmos: Yes, you. Well no, not JUST you, you and those madame Cleo's everywhere that represent the kind of people who want to find a sublunary alternative to modern science and logic because YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! So you go seeking Mayan magic and Suharan spirits, convincing yourself you're the embodiment of some esoteric energy which apparently, only you understand and see, to make this otherwise dull and boring world "exciting" and "mysterious" in a way. But wait, all your theories contradict with tried and true scientific principles. Nevermind that, however. Your theories are *always* right." I feel animousity from you. Simply because your education does not supply the fuel for things I theorize on. You out of all people(if your actually a Scientist) should know, things aren't always what they appear(actually ussually not what they appear). I'm sorry if you think this existance is boring. At least I give you reason to rant, and fill you ego. And apparently give you something to occupy your "boring" time with. And no, all my theories do not contradict known fact. They are just not probable in a world of possibilities when you do not know for sure. You got pissed because you jumped to conclusions about things you think you know a lot about. While your at it, talk crap about Eastern philosophy and the hindus:'prana' Native Americans:"All things share the same breath - the beast, the tree, the man, the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports." ......Chief Seattle Many others. Just because you most likely saw Star Wars before you heard about these things from other sources(as all your ideas come from conventional KNOWN things it seems) you rant to me, and you think it's all science fiction being born in the superficial time of this era. I guarentee by the year 2060 we will have proven a lot of things I speak about. Just make sure to remember me when this happens. And all your rants VS me will be forgiven. Teach the virtue you learn to your grandchildren and children if you have any if this scenario comes true. If they don't happen in yours and my lifetime, keep your orginal thought of me being a loon throughout that time.. Deal? Oh, and btw I completely agree with stem cell research. Agree with testing on cloning(as for this will be PIVITOL in proving many of the things you critisize of me in the future mark my words). But I strongly do not agree with consuming genetically screwed with food. I do not think we know enough about genetics to alter it like that an enter it into society. At least have these corporations tell people when they are eating genetically modified food. And testing on animals while doesn't please me, it is in the name of furthering humankind.. As long as the animals are not mistreated. I take the approach of the prey and predator relationship I honor. The prey gives itself to the predator in honor of life. I am very gracious at this time towards our brothers and sister species here on Earth for their sacrifice. As I honor them every single day.

"Oh, there wont be a draft." I hear many Americans saying that... I tend to lean towards them not really knowing for sure..... http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.89:

Due to the growing situation in Iraq, which from people I know serving in Iraq convey to me, we are not doing as well as the media is showing over there. Personally I think a draft possibility is very high in the near future no matter who gets elected. As IMO Kerry as well as Bush, are now obligated after the poor managament of our country the Bush admin has led us with in the Iraq situation. See for yourSelf I provide a search link because one site doesn't really sum it up, as well as all the sites. lol. As the saying goes, hope for the best, prepare for the worst. And I wouldn't like to see my fellow Americans blindsided by a draft, as niether candidate will dare talk about it until after the election.

Read these quotes by you: "and as for those convicted of wrongdoing... well they were convicted, right?" "halliburton got busted and paid the price" (the price was roughly 3% of what they gained by commiting the crime, and got the amount of jail time for millions of dollars worth of fraud, that someone gets for a parking ticket, none) ok, now this one: "not yet, anywhere in this thread, have i seen a single piece of evidence to back up the claim that "criminals are in the white house." not once." lol. You just kicked your own ass right there. And, *cough* Enron. WOuld you go as far as sayin Enron wasn't affiliated with, and comprised of Criminals? "they were busted and paid the price for it. nothing unusual there. the items they were convicted of selling, btw, were designated for drilling purposes, btw... they just have a dual use." LOL! And North Korea is using those warheads they have for cotton raking fields. And those glass blown "water tobacco pipes" in the window of headshops downtown Seattle are for tobacco "plenty actually are saying the pope is the anti-christ." I didnt dispute that. I am aware that the current Pope has monopolized the Vatican appointing something like more then the amount of the previous 10 Popes combined to Cardinal(possible next Pope). And I'll be the first to argue VS the Catholic church in a debate about it. For example their tactic in making celebacy so they inherit their 'workers' things when they die(by chance I guess inheriting their stuff, if you dont think they have intent to create such a rule when it is not in the Bible as far as I know)... Pretty horrible if you ask me. "here's where your argument (no "e" after the "u) fails on a regular basis. this automatic assumption of big bad corporate america. sometimes, PoTC, looking too deep you'll dig up nonsense without a true connection, but circumstantial conspiracies." "i'm not the one quoting agenda driven websites and news articles. i read ALL evidence and evaluate each piece individually based on its own merits. you see somebody post "this guy is bad" and automatically assume the very worst connection." All generalized claim of opinion/non-swear word personal character attacks. "because you do it so often... not my fault you have such an agenda and hard to hide bias. maybe you should try another tactic and i wouldn't criticize you for it so often? not sure if you've noticed, but i'm not the only person around here that's noted this obvious failure on your part.." Firstly we both obviously have bias' here. Thats a joke if either claim to not. And more then one Bush follower, is not rare *JN. lol. "not to mention you start off by admitting you deleted the first posting after getting called out on the ad-hominem attack on me. for shame PoTC, even trying to cover up your flawed arguments." You say admitting like it was a durogatory thing. I started the thread over because it was heading in the wrong direction. And I didnt attack you. I said I QUOTE "Its amazing to me how stupid people are sometimes". If you think when people say general terms of people being stupid are applied to you, I guess thats a personal problem. "you also provided proof that corporate and political connections are the basis for appointments to administrative posts in the white house. as if this is unexpected?" Well when we're occupying the 2nd largest oil reserve country in the world right now on false intelligence, feeding Halliburton billions of dollars on biased contracts, and his administration is filled to the brim with Chevron Halliburton BP amoco Drilling timber and energy(Enron, criminals) it's pretty implicating to someone who doesn't think Bush is untouchable to corruption like Jesus, like you seem to think. "i never said you were a democrat. where am i claiming kerry married a woman to control a corporation? i have stated he likes to marry for money... (they have no control over heinz, about 4% of the holdings...)" That was not a quote from you. "i said you had an agenda (likely liberal). you have not provided anything other than circumstantial evidence and drawn a conclusion based on worst case scenarios... hardly objective reasoning." Definitive evidence to you would be a video of Bush smoking a primo with Osama Bin Laden while holding Britney Spears breast. I rest my case. Its obvious your a made up mind when it comes to Bush. Only reason why I respond to your propaganda is the influencable readers...

You must be a prophet! lol. In all seriousness though. The wierd thing about that was, other people didn't 'know' it. As phosphor was telling the truth. The other thread was going in the wrong direction, degrading into a flamewar, I figured just making it anew would be better... And I was right. Oh ya and chemchok, I realized when I was driving(for som ereason I get many thought while driving), the PR rep in his descriptions didn't mention the CIA once in his descriptions of the prominent people who work for them. They have a former CIA director, and a former CIA deputy director. George Bush Senoir still recieves CIA breifings as well, as any former US president is allowed to do(although most do not). I think the intelligence reports by the CIA, is a rather huge advantage for a corporation.... Esspecially one that deals arms to other countries.

I was wondering... If Kotor II wasn't Obsidians first project, would the kotor fans get a lesser game because your first project is a big one for your reputation? Did kotor fans directly gain from this being your first project as in comparison it was like your 8th or something?

Easily, by far, the silliest and most offensive thing I've read on the Internet this month. Cheers MC <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dont completely agree with the statement either. Although I do agree with some of it. We are under a false understanding that we control the government IMO... We are not a democracy IMO, but a blend of Republic and Monarchy that holds elections of the same 'neo-royal' groups(with minor exceptions). lol. People think we change leadership every 4-8 years.... Well, IMO we have the same leadership with different names. lol.. All perception i suppose... What we do have is if unified, we can overthrow. But the corps and hierarchies here help divide us quite a bit, whether intensional or not.... We do have freedoms though... But there is such intense propaganda sponges out there, ussually people will not listen if there is a true reason to ovethrow or rebel..

And what exactly does this mean? Are you talking an alternate fuel car. Or a car 'collage' from other cars. lol.

Definetly interesting, and a contribution. Even if it doesn't imply what I would guess about the Carlyle Group if I had to make 1 clear judgement. He did admit to having 14 years of secrecy though as well. That was rather str8 forward, and cool IMO. But u never do know about these things unless you have inside info... And most the time if you do have inside info, you can't give it out to the public to support your arguement.....

An interesting interview for sure chemchok. But believing what your told(esspecially from things like this) is rather sketchy. You have to look into actions more then PR people who are hired because they are good at what they do(making the company/corp seem good within the public). Funny they didn't talk about the 9-11 put-options tho....

I deleted the previous thread. It is in no way the mods fault(although I do agree these boards are being over modded in general, but like phosphor pointed out to me these are a company forum, and they have interests to keep it somewhat civil here, like any reasonable company would want). "just because PoTC claims proof of criminal activity does not make it so. likewise, the mere existence of such evidence is not to be trusted without verification." Your right, if I was just claiming these things it wouldn't mean anything. But since 100% of what I posted in this thread is known fact. That does not apply to this post(your quote applies to my theories on DNA though of course). "all of these links to past employment tells an even better story, btw... maybe these people are the ones that actually have EXPERIENCE dealing with such ventures? huh? maybe?" Experience and motive. All the companies his regime have worked for are implicated or convicted in crimes while the regime's people were in management. As well as selling weapons, and capabilities of WMD's to the same people they claim are the "axis of evil"! Is this not startling to you? Or do you claim their reports to the IRS of income is false too? "nearly every politician has a link to some corporate past interest. nothing to see here folks..." LOL! You seriously just gave me a HUGE laugh. Nothing to see here folks, just proof that the administration has contridicted the very arguements of the campaigning and current presidents big claim of the "axis of evil" by contributing to selling them weapons and weapons capabilities... Wait, that is pretty big. I guess you don't want people to see what's here. lol. "one could also provide an argument that the pope is the current coming of the anti-christ. Yep. But, no one is doing that. You post irrelevant conjecture to political threads often taks. Try contributing a real debate for once... Just a thought. "if there were any proof here, you would have already heard about it. It's not worth anyone's time to bother with it." Nice arguement.. If there were any proof you would have heard about it? lol. You have quite a lot of confidence in motive corporately owned US media. I don't. One must look into things fruether if they want to find facts that are not mentioned in either the 'labeled' media here. "I stopped taking it seriously the second PotC said that he had been "investigating" this matter in-depth. This is all obviously copied and pasted off of some site or some forum" You always say that. lol. You might as well put "this is all just copied and pasted" in yoru sig. It would save you some time. But I did copy paste some of the stuff. I didn't see the point of writing it down after it's in front of me anyway. And the poin of this thread is not PoTC is a political genius. Its the facts I provided. Who cares if I copy/pasted them if they are accurate! "there's always hope he'll learn the concept of truly objective analysis. a practice not necessarily enabled by the internet. there's too much information there, much of it suspect." Funny. You maybe should learn on your objective analysis yourself. How about reading the post instead of seeing the posters name and making a judgement. "hardly. his little essay is stamped as lacking in objectivity simply because of his history. PoTC regularly cuts-and-pastes data from suspect/agenda-driven websites and touts "proof" without any verification. further, i think i've pointed out how easy it is to get sucked into web-based conspiracy theories that are based on nothing other speculative and/or anecdotal evidence, neither of which is proof by any means. more often coincidence." I provided proof. As I regularly try to convey things not said in the media, you regularly stalk me and try to discredit them when you dont even read them, or argue the facts I present. You only post retorical generlization attacks on my character. Try debating the facts for once. Read my post, and find and expose it's flaws if your so right. If not, your just another hater who blindly follows your bias with angry spam. "Uh it is stamped as unobjectionable because he never mentioned how the democratic candidate is married to a Hienze and directly influenced by the money of that corporation. Both sides are suspect when it comes to buisnesses they had their hands in. The thing that is so agrivating is that people tend to over look the bad portions of the side they are on." I'm not a democrat. Kerry is a horrible candidate as well. But when you claim he married a woman to control a corporation.. LOL. I don't see any proof provided(if you provided a link to a reasonable claim I would consider it surely). Although I don't doubt it. You provivded no back up to your claim. So its taken with a grain of salt. However, with my arguement, I provided ample proof. One just has to look.

Well Republicans in general aren't even close to the level Bush is IMO. I think he is his own catagory. There are some very reasonable Republicans out there. The ones I speak of ussually tend to be very religiously controlled and orthodox. But are moral people, who normally dont have the time to look into things very deeply. And then there are the hardcore fanatics who refuse to look at anything past their bias. Then the rich. lol. I think 99.9% of republicans fit into those catagories. But I agree in general terms with what you said....

lol. And those who think what they are told is true..... nevermind.

"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen." - - George Bush, 2000 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=...ng+to+happen%22 When I heard him say that eery statement it sent chils down my spine. I knew our country was in for a ****ed up 4 years. And boy, lol, I was right. I've been investigating(and will continue to) what money sources and corporations the governments around the world affiliate with. Starting out, one group leaps out at me an amazingly amount the Carlyle group. The group so very rarely mentioned in the media(unless your watching farenheit 9-11). The Group is managed by a team of former US Government personnel including its president Frank Carlucci, former deputy director of the CIA before becoming Defence Secretary. His deputy is James Baker II, who was Secretary of State under George Bush senior. Several high profile former politicians are employed to represent the company overseas, among them John Major, former British Prime Minister, along with George Bush senior, who is a former CIA director and of course former US Vice President and President. By now everyone should know they did business with the Bin Laden family... I take that with a grain of salt. It doesn't prove anything. They own large shares in: 7 up Federal Data Corporation Many others. But, when 9-11 happened they implicated themslves pretty damn strongly with insider trading gaining before 9-11. Shortly before 9-11 a stock term call put-options that are basically wagers that the pertaining company will suffer big losses were done by the Carlyle Group on United Airlines. This is most definetly one of the important facts of the controversial 5 minutes edited out of Farenheit 9-11. Too bad most of this group's assets/money net comes in from governments or we could revolt and stop buying their products.. For example Turkey and Saudi Arabia hiring the Carlyle Group to set up their aviation defense systems. They are the supplier of air traffic control surveillance systems to the US Federal Aviation Authority(FAA). Since the September 11 terrorist attacks, the Carlyle Group has reaped millions of dollars from government contracts on things such as cleaning up anthrax-infected buildings, including the Hart Senate Office Building, making X-ray scanners, providing logistics support to the U.S. military, making metal-bond structures in fighter jets and missiles, and providing employee background checks for the government. Halliburton: **** Cheney, CEO until 2000 election "

2000 baby blue honda civic(next car I drive will be Subaru Outback, or a hybrid car)

wow I did even know aout that

I was at a party on 9-10.. at about 4-6 in the morning I turned on the TV(most everyone had left) and there it was, right when I turned on the TV 'breaking news few minutes ago blah'. Then as I smoked and watched in awe, the second plane hit on live TV while I was watching.. I woke up all the drunken passed out people, and we had a bigass debate. lol. One of my friends was so pissed he signed up for the military that day(he later died in a car accident a month later ). He was so pissed that almost every night he wanted to fight people. As for yesterday. When I was talking about genetic virus engineering genocide possibilities in the future done by malicious groups with a microbiology/DNA student I felt a feeling of nerviousness by anyone we walked by with this conversation for sure. I also had a fighter jet fly over my car while i was driving. Sprung curiousity. But I imagine it is a ploy to make people be more comfortable with their security.