Product of the Cosmos

Hey, watch your mouth son. All my recent ancestors past my parents have been racist southerners. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well I would have faught VS them indefinetly if they tried to take the country. lol. Racism is one thing I cannot tolerate. lol. I do live close to the capital of the KKK tho

"It's not enough to check heraldry. A lot of genealogy places will whip out a crest based on your last name and call it a day. Sharing a common surname doesn't insure relation. It's astounding how many people with Scottish blood will claim to be related to the Stuarts." My Scotish decent is verified. I have a crest made specifically for myself from Scotland. So the MacGregor lineage is for sure. And I didnt goto any anscestry sites.. They all tried to charge me. lol. I just read up on my history. Wasn't too hard to find the crest of my bloodline of Scotish descent. The King William is passed down knowledge. So I wouldn't know that one for sure. In fact, I didnt even really know or care who William the Conquerer was when I was told I am lineage of. Just figured it was just some idiot conquerer.. lol. Not one of the most prominent figures in human history. Anyone here Scotish? WOuld I get a free drink or something for being lineage of this clan? lol. "Supposedly my great-great grandfather was a horse thief in Italy; this only makes me wonder whether or not it's even worth researching family history further back." LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! My great grandma was abootlegger.. She goes on tangents every once ina while(shes old and senile), where she goes "GRAB THE HOOCH THE *i forget what she called the cops* ARE COMIN* lmao.. You never know man.. All I knew before today about the actual names of my descent was my crest has a lion and a crown on it, and the name William the Conquerer .. lol. When I read the back, that said the 'motto' of my bloodline is 'royal is my race', that perked my ears up a bit.. I wouldnt want to be related to a bunch of KKK bastards.. lol

"But it does mean that not only are you a disgrace to the genepool, but a digrace to your lineage as well. Have a nice day." LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats hilarious! Actually I probably would be. I'm not really one who likes to sponsor war. A lot of my heritage seemed to be warriors... I haven't confirmed the William the Conquerer one with.. whoever does that sort of thing. lol. so that one is possible to be incorrect I should say.

lol Someone said I was a disgrace to their genepool. Oddly enough I studied more in-depth my crests and lineage. Scottish: MacGregor Clan. Known for being one of the fiercest and most might clans in all of Scottish history. Hunted by kings(started by James VI I believe) nobleman etcetc for centuries and eventually being reinstated as a honorable clan. Also I find there is a movie based on one of my lineage Rob Roy MacGregor. English: William the Conquerer. Apparently known as one of the most cunning and brutal war Kings of English history. Conquered all of England after an oath from the previous King that he would be crowned King of England when he died was broken by beaurocrats and the Church. Is also descendant of like 20 US Presidents. other that I do not know much about: German, Polish, Nez Pierce... lol. Apparently my lineage is known for being some of the greatest warriors/tactitions in our history. lmao. Just thought that was ironic going on the insult thrown at me by someone today(I found out most of this today as I looked into names I didn't really know about further). :ph34r: :D :ph34r: Anyway, beyond the ironiy from this put down earlier from someone.. What is your lineage? Do you even know? I didn't know too much until today, and I was dumbfounded.

i didnt find the pentagon on that page(for I only breifly scanned). But if it's about the plane not even hitting the building.... Thats one of the more far fetched theories IMO. There are many facts about the WTC that lead to an alternate happening then the mainstream media would portray it. Stuff like not investigating that some of the supposed highjackers are alive and well in other countries points towards conspiracy more then anything IMO. They still TO THIS DAY say that those 19 guys did it... I'm not sure what they are thinking. But I tend to think they aren;'t that retarded to just forget or not check into this and not tell everyone. lol

"and I will do my darnedest in order to see that the PC and international gamers will NOT have that ruined for them here at Obsidian." much props to you! I think there should be an Xbox exclusive section so people dont go there if they r waiting for PC. And a ban on any type of spoiler in the titles of threads(or maybe even a block on the thread names from the front page of the forums). I know I would VERY much dislike it if Xbox version came out later then PC, and someone screwed the whole story for me

I agree it was disgraceful. But when your entire life has been in such disgrace and pain. It's not like it's much of a change is it? For example:molesting a child is a horrible HORRIBLE act(although not close to killing children or families with your greed ridden orders or terrorist attacks). But often compared to those who have not, those who have been molested become molesters themselves(of course not in every case). When I was young I also wanted to kill a certain person. I had the wisdom to not follow through on the act(no matter how deep my hatred was for this person). But I'm not sure under the conditions of many Iraqis or Arab terrorists have lived in I would have had that insight. Also. Didnt the russian military rush the building??? If your a terrorist holed up in a hostage situation, bluffing probably isnt the most efficient thing to do(and in war, morals are tossed out the window in place of efficiency quite often).

If my child/family was killed by an organized group(like the USA in raids to control oil in the region). I had little to no education, I had no time to develop mentally and socially, and I had literally NOTHING. I would probably vow to kill my enemies in any way I could.. True that the pertaining event is a horrible and dispicable act. But it's not like they have no reason to want retribution. Which is the crappy part Now either sides plea for vengence holds some bearing no matter how perverted the act

Don't expect the discussion to stay related to 9/11. People love using threads like this as an excuse to whine about other issues. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And good ol JN will be there to dis them. lol.

Terorists are flooding into the country from the entire arab world to get their chance to strike against the US without having to travel. The countrys infrastructure is in ruins, as is the case with most things in Iraq. Us companies with connections to the goverment are rebuilding chosen parts under billion dollar contracts along with the oil companies. The new goverment is known by all as the US puppetshow it really is. Saddam IS in jail, but did the whole country have to get crushed because of it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Best post in this thread by far IMO.

Look at Iraq five years ago: people being brutally murdered every day at Hussein's whim; mass graves reeking of uranium, filled with civilians. People being gassed because they disagreed with Hussein. People living in fear of their leader, thinking theres not way out this hell of theres. Look at it now. Terrorists are dead, dying, fleeing, or soon to be dead. Schools, hospitals, and public resource centers are being built by our troops, and the new Iraqi government is about to take the reins. And oh yeah, Husseins in jail now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here is a post from a unicef forum: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My name Shayan Khiro I am Iraqi citizen born and raised my dad is Arab is my mom is Kurdish my aunt is married to a shia and we are Sunni .my point is that in spite of us being different in a way or another we never realized that like I didn't look at my aunt's husband as he is shia I just considered him my aunt's husband now all what media is talking about that Iraqis are divided into 4 parts or more(shia, Sunni, Kurdish, Christians etc....) I have great fear that these created differences would make my fellow citizens fight between each other (which will affect my country, my family, me in a negative way) all these differences did NOT exists until last year. Before war we used to have normal lives by many standards I always complained about everything and just now I realized how lucky I was to have had such a normal life before war mom used to drop me at the club with my brother either to swim or meet my friends and play basket ball or tennis and she would come later to pick us up we really had a great time I have to admit it. Sometimes when I got bored I used to go to my friend's and stay there for a while or even sleep over sometimes. We used to live in an apartment I had a lot of friends when I was a kid we used to play house, skating, exchange CD's and stuff and we used to be soul mates After war we split up because two of my friends (they were sisters) went to London because their father was kidnapped they paid 90,000$ as a ransom just to have their father back when they did they lost most of their money of course so her father was in a shock that all the people advised him to travel and leave everything back his home his son who is now in medical school (he couldn't go because he is having his last year in college exams)my other friends either died or some of their relatives did. What a life! I sometimes wonder was it worth all this having democracy! I didn't see anything of it yet although I had HOPE but now I don't maybe I have but half the amount! I used to sleep at night thinking what will I do tomorrow I had hopes and dreams I wanted to do many things I used to hear about America and what will they bring to us I believed in them had hope Now that I can't see anything they did for us I keep wondering why did they come they are pretending to liberate us, liberate us from what? And also to give us freedom? What freedom I can't even step out of my house! It's too dangerous I was chosen as a delegate to Brazil to the 4th world summit for children and adolescents when anyone hears about this they say oh how lucky! Traveling and during school year! But believe me I am not because I have been preparing for it 5 months now then I was told I could not go due to the security situation in my country. Its all worse now my life is a mess there is totally nothing to do and nowhere to go I mean we don't even have molls for God's sake we don't have parks we don't have concerts I mean which celebrity will come to Iraq and expose their lives to a danger situation like this Oh please! We can't even go for a walk we might be kidnapped so we don't go out unless my dad is with us or my brother its really uncomfortable that I should arrange my schedule with theirs life is not easy anymore! I used to go to a French institute now they closed it I used to have fun learn and make new friends at the same time the only where we can go is school and I have to say its sucks we done have air-conditions so we are dying slowly in summer and freezing in winter not only this our schools in Iraq are separated girls and others for boys. Our caricula are the worst ever its long useless and in the last year of school we have to study and if we don't get good marks we don't go to a good college I mean its like throwing everything in a trash bin and it all depends on one year so if a student gets ill or something they should kiss their future good bye I wake up every day at 6 am I go to school for 6 hours we used to go for 8 hours (before war) and sometimes we cant reach our schools either due to bombs or traffic jams and so do our teachers so the amount of learning is reducing day by day by day. When I get home after a tiring school day I am lucky if there is electricity I have lunch watch TV (if there was electricity) then do my homework then nothing; nothing at all lets not mention that we have electricity for 9 hours a day and the summer is yet to come and the temperature goes up to the 60s centigrade PS : I do love American people the clue is all I watch is American programs like (Friends, ally mcbeal ) and all I read is American magazines which is sent to me by my aunt(she is living abroad) but I have to say I was disappointed from their government love you all please help me get a scholarship --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not exactly sure your point of view holds up.. No doubt Saddam did some horrible things. But right now its a warzone in Iraq. I DESPISE Bush in so many ways for so many reasons. But if some ass like Hussien came in and invaded my country(although Bush gets what he deserves), I would rebel and fight agianst the invaders invading my country(who just happened to be suppressors giving the dictator arms and support a bit earlier in history)!!

"Only a few have stood up to radical Islam for what it is." Same with America "Look at all the Muslim countries: they live in abject poverty because their Islamic leaders believe its for the best." America has a lot to do with that IMO. "Religons like Christianity, on the other hand, preach peace and goodwill towards other people. Radical Islam doesn't." Just like Christianity preaches to accept gays? Or how about all the persecutory things in Christianity? How about everyone goes to hell except them in their belief? Radical Christinity: Leviticus- --anyone who grows more then one crop on their land(more then one type of food) is to be killed --anyone who wears more then one type of thread on their back(like a cotton/poly blend), is to be killed --'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads' --I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? --Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? --I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? --A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality? I don't agree. Can you settle this? --Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? --Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? --I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? The new testament, and the old testament, are just as crazy as the Qu'ran. Both religions are nowhere near accepting and loving IMO. The main difference is one section has been stuck in crazy wars and mis-education for many years, and another has been somewhat isolated or just plain out dominant. The Arabic culture has failed to evolve in many ways for in the main part, these reasons. And the USA/Christianity has done nothing to help them quite frankly. Actually contrary. We've helped kill millions of Arabs...

I think we have to find out what we are before knowing what our nature is lol Anyway ya... IMO religion has been the worst well known thing to ever happen to humanity.

I'm not sure how reflections on 9-11 can be without politics.. Unless your just posting in rememberance.

It was only a matter of time IMO. A tragic event. But not like it wasn't induced IMO. Each side has its atrocities and stupidity towards another(who started it, lol, who knows, in my lifetime I'd say America/Christianity, but I dunno what happened hundreds of years ago). One has the most powerful military in the world, another has the power of unpredictability and stealth right under its enemies nose. Religion mixed up in all this is not a suprise. Both sides chirping good vs evil like always to their minions in so many modern and somewhat close historic events.... Both sides screaming self rightiousness. When both have such stupidity, and reason. Many blinded in anger and thoughts of retribution. If this was somehow organized by a group to benefit from both sides destruction, they worked it quite well. What really gets me is how much it stenches of a coverup. I know there are hoards of anti conspiracy theory people. But this is going beyond a theory nowadays... For example some of the supposed highjackers have been found in other countries alive and well. Why is this not investigated and pondered by the so called '9-11 investigators'???!!? Why have the black boxes not been released?! Why did a lot of new york feel a series tremors right before the towers fell? Why is it the guy who bought the towers(Larry Goldstein) 6 weeks prior and opened the biggest insurance policy he could not be investigated!? Why is he recorded to have said to "pull the building", which is the demolision term for control explosives to take the building down. How is it a passport of one of the highjackers found in the wreckage unscathed in the 'no civilian' time can be found when the plane burst into flames hot enough to take down the building!? Why is it the building free falls much like it is a bowling ball dropping in thin air! Istead of just collapsing floor by floor slower then it did. So many unasnwered questions even a big sceptic must wonder(as long as they are aware, and not in denial).

lmao!^ Out of the 2 I preffer Coke. Although I wouldn't drink either willingly... lol. Unless Im at a fast food restaurant.

"Do not insult me again, PotC." respect is a mutual thing. What do you expect? I will most likely do it agian if you seem lacking in the pertaining area. SInce you cannot control me, controling yourself is the most viable option. Simply do not let my comments insult you. And it was an honest question ... You seemed to think you had read my posts, but you had not really understood them. Sorry if I actually insulted you.. You put words I did not say in a qoute box saying it was by me. I think thats worse then any petty insult.

The whole point is, we do not have enough knowledge in this issue to descern 'crap' from 'possible' accurately. So, unless you think we know everything there is to know about this subject. Just about anything still remains possible.

"Either post some legitimate evidence that backs up your assertions, or quit telling everyone who disagrees with you that they are ignorant and "have the awareness of a 4 year-old"." I have numerous times. Are you dyslexic or something? Do you even know what I am 'asserting'? "Actually, you're forgetting the part where the naysayer backs up his claim. You got the other one right, though. Better luck next time, buddy." If you think we know everything there is to know about this your arguement stands. Going on the easily seen fact that we know next to nothing compared to what there is to know, going on what we know isn't exactly a smart thing to do when making a final judgement on this issue.

My arguement needs no proving. If you think we have hit the high water mark of all knowing Science. I guess I can't argue with that type of ignorance. Otherwise take a step back and think about what this debate is. The only one saying something needing to be proven is the one who says something is definitive. "Still you persist in calling those who question your statements "blind" and "herds"." Question, no. Failing to look at the situation with an open mind claiming an illogical judgement is set in stone, yes. Big difference.

You must descern what the arguement is. One says its not possible. Another says its possible. The main difference here is someone says something is set in stone, and the other says we don't know all the variables to make a clear judgement. Although I guess I am insulting my own intelligence by debating with people who have the awareness of a 4 year old....

lol. Whatever you say slick Who is the one at fault? One who says something is possible, or one who says it's not, when obviously we don't know all t he variables? Pretty simple.

Some of it is not a 3 dimensional thing you can materialize for those blind to it for one. Secondly I am not an encylopedia of all the things I have found. And I also could not present some things in the correct form for most efficient presentation of this theory. If people have the will, there is a way. This statement holds so true to those who have open minds and wish to know. Plus there is not enough evidence for people with a large amount of ignorance(like a majority of this thread). So it wouldn't really be worth my time ATM.

"I guess many of the most accomlished and genius scientists are 'crap in your genepool'." Not really, because they kinda like, you know, had something to back up their wild gonzo theories!" There also is quite enough evidence IMO of aura and energy was well. A unification force. The herds never fail to resist open mindedness. Really is amazing to witness, time and time agian.

We are a very young species in terms of whats possible. We are just begining to dilve into Science(at least on the record anyway). It's elementary logic that we know next to nothing about the entirety of Science(we do discover new things every day). Does this really have to be debated? And seriously, the box says its a quote, thats pretty rude, since I didnt say that. Have some respect. You dont have to respect my point of view.. But at least don't misquote me ****. ""funny how if you represent a theory like this, many people react in doubt fear and anger." What can I say? We don't like seeing crap float in our genepool." LOL. The commonly accepted 'sane' human adapts himself to the world, but the uncommon often thought 'insane' human tries to adapt the world to them -- therefore a LOT of if not all progress depends on the uncommon often thought insane human in fields that are unknown. I guess many of the most accomplished and genius scientists of our history are 'crap in your genepool'. Well the feeling is mutual back at ya man. A closed mind is only good for controling. And since I do not wish to control, it isn't any good for me!