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It's all just banter dont take it personally. I have done over 1000 hours of gameplay and I strongly object to the negative critasism people throw toward rogues. When I roll rogues they completely dominate the battlefield. They are far from a weak class as I feel you in particular have taken every opportunity to slander them. Yes there high level abilities are not that great but I feel you are greatly underestimating a rogues potential. Once a rogue has locked on to an opponent the rogue will disable them and take them down 90% of the time, and this is not just fodder they are doing this too it is the strongest of bosses. And boerer you have Cleary said driving flight does not do reduced damage. Look at your post today at 12.34 pm paragraph 4. Also as I have said kaylon missed this in his calculations. You have a lot more friends on this forum who back you I feel like that they do this just for the sake of backing you because of the relationship you have with the them. I feel kaylon post was an example of this. I concede boerer that you no far more then me about pillars of eternity. And I enjoy learning from your posts and I thank you for your help. But trust me rogues will out damage and disable any other class. Period

@ boerer why you don't you just answer what you clearly got wrong? you have clearly said there that driving flight doesn't have reduced damage. that is a pretty big mistake there especially when DR is taken into consideration on how that will be effected? Go on answer that one and as I have 100% clearly said. those calcs have assumed that all four of those arrows are calculated to hit assuming under one acc vs def roll. that is no where near the truth. There are FOUR DIFFERENT ACC VS DEF ROLLS FOR EACH ARROW!!!!! some will hit some will crit SOME WILL GRAZE SOME WILL MISS!!!

stalkers link needs to be removed. like I said you cant rely on "what if this happens then this will happen " kind of stuff and if you want to remove the hearth orlan benefit then you shoud remove the wood elf benefit because you cant have one getting the race benefit and the other not twin arrows has reduced damage on second hits in kaylons calcs there are four hits there taken into consideration with twin arrows and driving flights and he has assumed that all four have landed. Each arrow hit (four of them) is subject different rolls of Acc vs def. He has also said the ranger would benefit from higher base damage for crits. No each arrow is a different calc so this is not true and again why the hell was flanking included in those stats? this needs to be taken out 100% and the rogues superior crit landing was not represented properly

@kaylon I check your accuracy calculations there. I ended up being a lot higher with the rogue. Also stalker link shouldn't be taken into consideration because you are assuming a third party (the pet) has flanked the enemy. This cannot be included in the calc and is the same as saying what if the rogue landed blinding strike then you should include that debuff. Also stalkers link doesn't add 10 accuracy it adds the flanked status to who the pet engages. So the pet would have to mobalise directly in front of the rogue and would be dead in less then 2 seconds . You also haven't taken into consideration: Dirty fighting/ visous and hearth orlan? that 30% hit to crit Twin arrowns -10 accuracy? The Reduced damage for twin arrows? You have said higher base damage for the ranger but that is assumning both arrows hit? Each arrow is calculated separately using 30 might as an example is not realistic and greatly favours the ranger as you have used this to buff all four of his arrows for the woundind effect for persistence as opposed tp just one swing for tidefall. A more realistic strength would be 15 You need to take the flanking damage out of your damage calcs. This absolutely should not be included.

The cipher has access to powers that are arguably some of the most powerful in the game. For example: 1. Whisper of treason is probably the most powerful ability any class has access to at level 1 2. The same can be said for mental binding at level 2 3. Amplified wave is a game changer. In my opinion in the top 5 most powerful spells in the game 4. Time Parasite 5. Defensive Mindweb

All the other dragons aren't if this is true I can't remember. Just find a scroll that is its weakness and do the same and spam it. Oh yeah I just remembered. A fire priest Tears the alpine dragon a new a hole. Just cas this 1. Minor avatar 2. Spam rain holy fire until all gone 3. If not dead yet cast shining beacon Even easier then scroll method

I think the OP means he is going to select caster talents when he levels up as fighter so he can cast spells........which you can't do of course. @OP If you want to make a battlemage in pillars 1 you need to roll a Mage from the beginning . Deadfire will have multi classing.

Kaylon you initial base damage for tidefall is less then 1 arrow from persistence? And there is no allowance for crits, sneaks, deaths?

anything that is really good really. Had a look at skyrim and witcher not for me. whats darksouls 3 like?

none of that even makes any sense. @kaylon that is assuming its a wood elf then you should take the rogues racial bonus into consideration aswell, so another 10 hit to crit for the rogues as hearth orlan. Then you have to burn an talent selction to get marksmen witch the rogues doesn't have to do. Twin arrows is NEGTIVE 10 ACCURECY!!!!!!!! wow I forgot about that that is HUGE!!!!!!!! then we are back to positioning the squishy pet to get the stalker link and don't forget you have to burn another talent point to get stalkers link witch I never do when I roll a ranger because it is a complete waste of a talent because the chances of your pet making it alive from one target to the next are next to none

ok if you want to take race selection into it the rogue is a hearth orlan with another 10% hit to crit. No?

again your basing all that on assumptions. Stalkers link...blah....you have to coordinate your squishy pet to make that work.........perma stun?.......it stuns on a hit or crit and they get a save vs fortitude on top of that and yes trust me the extra 8 accuracy plus the 20% hit to crit increase for rogues is extremely good even at higher levels. I don't no what you are trying to achieve by attempting to discredit it. every ability diminishes returns if you look at it the way you are tying to sell it. As you get to higher levels enemies get a higher deflection aswell remember? you obviously forgot about that

the rogue will gave a higher base accuracy then a ranger due to reckless assault that will also contribute to more crits. So the higher base and dirty fighting + viscous does make a noticeable difference.

no you haven't. there are two talents the rogue can pick that the ranger cant that increase hit-crit ratio by 25%

@boerer You haven't taken into consideration that rogue consistently crits. With his super high accuracey , the highest in the game with the right talents, and his crit increasing talents. A rogue will crit about 40% of the time then sneaks and deaths get applied above that also.

Yep never played any of those maxquest. The only games I've ever really liked are baldurs gate 1& 2, pillars, Warcraft 3, gta5, I can keep playing the game when I go back to work so game length is no issue. Which one is the best one to play you guys reckon?

Hey guys I've got a couple of weeks of work and need a game to play in between doing stuff. I've never played the witcher 3 or skyrim are either of these good? Or can anyone recommend a good rpg to play?

Ranger will be mainly ranged but may go towards melee at mid-late game. I'm still tossing up wether to go dual wield or two hand for cipher. But yeah firebrand is hard to bypass in low levels I want to max intelligence right out to keep my amplified wave as big as possible. With the right gear I will have 23 intelligence and the 10% increase spell aoe ring. Amplified wave will be the game changer when I get it. I'm going to need it with this party consisting of no tanks.

Wow. I got a headache after trying to read that.

You are making a lot of assumptions there. You have just painted rangers in a shining light and rogues in a dark one because you don't like rogues. just like I don't like barbs or monks. 1. A rogue doesn't always have to walk over to enemies sometimes they come to them. 2. 100% real damage via twin arrows. Guess what rogues dual wield. Dual weilding fully enchanted and durganized butternut x2 deals more damage then any arrow can. 3. He will have perma stun? Oh really? I thought it was called stunning shots that can stun based on failed save. 4.driving flight is driving flight. Real not base who cares what the hell are you on about 5. Stalkers link gives flanked. If the pet makes it to the front line and if the pet doesn't die within 2 seconds 6.the ranger will not get disabled or killed? You have an immortal ranger? Rogues have pros and cons rangers have pros and cons. One thing I am certain of is that rangers DO not out damage rogues

I want this playthrough to be challenging because my last playthrough I stopped playing half way through because it was to easy

Hey Guys This will be my last playthrough until DF. Im rolling a cipher as my main and will have a four man party consisting of cipher, barb, ranger, wiz. My cipher will be mainly a melee specialist built will also use ranged. Can anyone give me any good feedback they discovered from rolling a cipher? I want him to be as overpowered as possible. He is a wood elf, int 19, dex 19 Thanks

Whoa. I'm sorry but this is no where near anywhere accurate. Comparison a barb to a fighter as a tank is waaaaaaay off. Um unbending, unbroken.............here's looking at you

Rangers won't dish out damage like a rogue. A dual weilding rogue glass cannon optimized for crits, sneaks and death blows will severely out damage a ranger.

The easiest way to kill dragons is: 1. Craft as many paralyse scrolls as you can and give them to all your party members who have enough lore to use them 2. Do the same with scrolls of Valor 3. When the battle starts use the scrolls of Valor and spells to increase your accuracy as much as possible 4. Unload your paralyse scrolls on the dragon Easy. Almost cheesy:)