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I mean if your tank isn't even reaching bloodied status despite getting disoriented I would just live with it. Just watch out with Resonant Touch and also Avenging Storm (from scrolls or items): if you are not using the Community Patch, Blinding Smile will cause Resonant Touch and also Avenging Storm procs on the tank. Large shield + modal and Adept Evasion helps against Avenging Storm, but the Resonant Touches will still occur. I usually use Escape to dive the tank out of the Resonant Touch AoE before activating it with the Monk. Community Patch limits the max amount of Resonant Touch stacks and also prevents Avenging Storm to proc off of non-damaging attack rolls. So with CP it's easier for the tank.

PG = Player Garacter

The Forbidden Fist ability doesn't generate focus without the Community Patch mod.

Hi! In short: no. There are a few edge cases and build ideas where it might be good (pairing Shared Nightmares with an AoE weapon such as Whispers of the Endless Paths and using Reaping Knives on party members to be able to spam Soul Annihilation all the time) - but in general a multiclass is just better over the course of the game. The gist of it is that SA damage scales with all kinds of damage bonuses. That's what makes the Rogue a popular choice. Forst of all the Rogue makes it easier to harvest focus because the weapon dps is high - and then secondly the Rogue's damage bonuses apply to the SA dmg itself, improving it quite a bit. Soulblade/Streetfighter has the highest damage potential. Soulblade/Trickster is a great mix of offense and defense. Soulblade/Fighter can harvest a lot focus immediately with Clear Out. Especially when using Whispers of the Endless Paths. Soulblade/Monk is nice in combination with Tuotilo's Palm and the Sun & Moon Flail. The flail's double head dumps the SA-raw-damage with the first flail head and already regains focus with the second flail head. This can lead to a situation where you can gain enough focus per flail head to spam SA without pause. It's a primary attack so the bashing shield won't even be used for bashing, but the dual wielding speed bonus will still apply. And at the same time the shield grants amazing defensive bonuses for a monk. The INT and MIG bonus (when Helwalker) are great for Cipher spells, too. But when you really want to focus on SA I'd say the Soulblade/Rogue combo is better. Tuotilo's Palm + Sun & Moon also works very well with a Soulblade/Trickster btw. Another very good combination is Soulblade/Bloodmage. The synergies aren't very clear at first, but SA works very well with all AoE weapons. The Bloodmage has Citzal's Spirit Lance - and the means to raise his INT (Infuse with Vital Essence) for bigger weapon AoE. Also the Wall of Draining lets him keep all his buffs for a long, long time (includes Soulblade's +10 max focus on kill). I personally also like Barbarian/Soulblade because the high attack speed from Frenzy and Bloodlust and the overall decent damage bonuses (Blooded, One Stands Alone, higher MIG during Frenzy) leads to good SA damage. Then later the combination of being able to kill quickly with SA & triggering Blood Thirst is quite satisfying. Human Berserker/Soulblade can reach bloodied status quickly which triggers Blooded and Fighting Spirit. But it is also risky. If you use an AoE weapon (Whispers otEP, Spirit Lance) INT is crucial. Else not as important as it usually is with ciphers - if you want to concentrate on soul annihilation. Still: stuff like Borrowoed Instincts lasts a lot longer if you have hig INT. If it lasts longer you have to cast it less often. And that gives you more focus to dump into SA. Might is not very important if you are multiclassing with Rogue since the dmg bonuses from the Rogue class are high enough that the bonus from MIG feels rel. small in comparison. If you pick non-Helwalker Monk or Bloodmage it's a more important source for dmg bonus for SA imo. If you go for Soulblade/Rogue it can be nice to have some cheap way to applying afflictions for a rel. long time in an AoE. Like Phantom Foes. Lvl-1 Shred powers such as Mind Wave and Antipathetic Field are supercheap (5 focus) for a Soulblade. It can be more impactful to use Mind Wave/Antip. Field against a group of enemies for 5 focus than to spend at least 10 focus on a single enemy with SA (and do potential tremendous overkill -> wasting focus). Might well be. Didn't try both myself on a Soulblade so I cannot really recommend anything here, sorry.

Hi, it would be useful to know what your tank looks like, but in general a resistance or even immunity to PER afflictions would be helpful: immuities Effigy's Husk (robe armor) Captain's banquet (food) Slippery Mind (Rogue ability) resistances Defiant Apparel (hat) Blinky (pet) Ring of Mule's Wit (ring) Eder's Saint's War Armor (scale armor) Clear Head (Paladin ability) They Shielded... (Chanter phrase) Svef (drug) If your tank is part Forgotton Fist you do not want any resistances though! They mess up the wound mechanic of the Forbidden Fist. And/or having really high Will defense. That would mean high INT+RES and other stuff like for example Casita Samelia's Legacy etc. Blinding Smoke doesn't have great base accuracy so you can can prevent a lot of hits/grazes with high Will. I personally often use a Swashbuckler tank (usually Edér) with Slippery Mind - so it's not a real issue for me because it gets cleared as soon as he hits 50% health. If you have a Troubadour who's in chant-range of the tank then the Disoriented/Distracted affliction can be reduced every 3 secs with a chant (again: bad when tank is a Forbidden Fist). If your tank is part Streetfighter I would only use a resistance and pray to get Distracted as often as possible - and not pick Slippery Mind. The Blinding Smoke cone originates from the shooter. If you postion yourself carefully enough you can avoid hitting your tank. Of course this won't be possible anymore when using Whispers of the Wind with the tank in the midst of it all. But since the enemy usually isn't in the position to fight anymore it doesn't matter if the tank gets distracted or not. In general my main tank is most important at the beginning of the fight to "collect" enemies and engage them. Once the rest of the party unleashes their full CC potential it's not that important whether the tank catches an affliction or not. Most enemies will not be able to attack the tank with their full potential. So I just live with it.

Knockdown is cool and very helpful from the early to mid game. But it requires to make the fighter a dw non-tank. And to be honest: at that point I might as well go with a non-tank monk instead which gives me a lot more utility and power in the long run. Fighters are great tanks, but that's a rel. narrow niche. It's not bad! Just a niche. Where Fighters are really cool as you said: with spells from items. Barrage in combination with the high base acc is perfect for that on a non-tank build. But that's an even more narrow niche and the same role as a melee wizard would take. Not a bad one at all, but still a niche imo. I, too, have to remember myself from time to time that niche-tier doesn't mean bad tier. That's why I argued for the Ranger to come out of the niche tier: because in combination with the animal companion it can do more than just single target damage. By the way: playing a party in PoE atm against a bounty and the rangers' Binding Roots is annoying me sooo bad - I consider taking it for Sagani. Funnily enough since Deadfire I value the per-rest abilities of PoE higher than before. Binding Roots is "only" 5/rest - but that also means it can be 5/encounter in a very tough fight. And a very long lasting (30sec base) stuck with the Ranger's high accuracy can totally turn the tides of a fight. Also the 15 pierce +15 slash dmg of Thorny Roots only have to overcome 1/4 of DR (as all fixed dmg it seems). You can totally kill some casters just with that at the start of the fight (it's a fast cast so getting out 5 in quick succession is easy). I'm honestly considering to build a "per-rest", high INT/high PER Ranger just for maximizing Binding/Thorny Roots in combo with spell items (Rotfinger Gloves and such). That's how much I was annoyed by Binding Roots.

Hi, and welcome! Melee or ranged? I personally would recommend ranged if it's your first run. It does a little less potential damage (=focus generation) but doesn't need to move as much to reach enemies, doesn't need to be very sturdy and is most often inherently better positioned for casting spells. Ciphers don't have their own attack abilities (like for example Rogues have) so they use auto-attacks almost exclusively (except if they pick up something like Envenomed Strike or Runner's Wounding Shot - which I wouldn't recommend). So you are pretty free in the choice if weapon. Some weapons do very good dps but achieve this with a raw damage-over-time lash (see the hunting bow Persistence). Those DoT lashes (as all[!] DoT damage) do NOT generate focus for you so you can leave them for party members who don't have to bother with focus. Non-DoT elemental or physical lashes (burn, freeze, shock, corrode, pierce, crush, slash) can be found in weapons, too. They are multiplicative damage bonuses which makes them very potent. And they also generate focus! Because of this a Cipher should use a weapon with a lash. You can find some who already have one or you can enchant your weapon with an elemental lash. A Chanter with the phrase "Aefyllath Ues Mith Fyr" will add a burning lash to the Cipher's weapon attacks. This means additional focus, too. So I would recommend to bring a Chanter. Since a Chanter can also pair that phrase with the "Sure Handed Ila" phrase (speeds up ranged weapons basically) that's another reason to bring a Chanter (for a ranged Cipher). Official companion Kana Rua is fine. A Priest is very helpful for every party, so bring one. Concentrate on accuracy buffs (Blessing, Devotions for the Faithful). Also pick Inspiring Radiance! Its accuracy buff stacks with everything. Official Companion Durance is fine. Also Durance isn't bad with an arquebus (pick the Priest of Magran talent "Inspired Flame" (+10 acc with arquebus) and Weapon Focus Soldier to get to fighter-levels of accuracy. It also profits a lot from Kana's Sure-Handed Ila. I also pick the Gunner talent for Durance often. This all makes him a decent shooter for the times when his spell slots are empty or when you want to spare spells. Ciphers often target the Will and Fortitude defenses of enemies with their spells. A Wizard has some awesome spells for lowering both (see for example Miasma of Dull-Mindedness, Ryngrim's spells and so so on). So a Wizard can help. The official companion Aloth is fine. Having a dedicated tank is helpful, too. You want to bind as many enemies as possible to that tank so they don't swarm your backline. The official companion Edér (Fighter) can fill that role well. So you already have 1. Cipher (mc), 2. Edér (Fighter), 3. Aloth (Wizard), 4. Durance (Priest) and 5. Kana (Chanter). For the 6. spot you are totally free imo. You could use the official companion Hiravias (Druid) or Pallegina (Paladin) or Sagani (Ranger). The potentially most powerful (in the long run) of those is Hiravias. But all of them work well. Paladins can use a marking weapon (Blade of the Endless Paths, Spectacular Septum, St. Garam's Spark etc.) + Coordinated Attacks (paladin passive ability) to boost a single ally's accuracy by +20 points (fully stackable with everything). That could be your Cipher. Having +20 acc for your Cipher can be a very good thing. Ciphers usually shine in fights against many weaker enemies but struggle in boss fights - because bosses are hard to hit and have thick armor. Both lowers the damage you do considerably. Low damage means low focus. Low focus means your Cipher stinks. To prevent that high accuracy is the key. So I would recommend Pallegina as "marking Paladin" - or even better a custom adventurer, a Darcozzi Paladin with Inspiring Liberation. He/she can combine marking weapon, Coordinated Attacks and Inspiring Liberation to a +30 all-stackable accuracy bonus for your Cipher. But Pallegina also works fine and you will have a companion quest and proper banter. I personally would make the paladin an offtank and give the Spectacular Septum (pollaxe) first and later pick up the Blade of the Endless Paths (estoc) and keep the pollaxe as backup for pierce-resistant or -immune foes. However: Coordinated Attacks + Marking require the Paladin and Cipher to attack the same target AND be nearest to each other. This can be a challenge for a melee paladin + ranged cipher. If the cipher isn't nearest to the paladin but another party member and that party member also attacks the same target he/she will get the accuracy instead. To prevent this the paladin could be a ranged one and use a pistol (see St. Garam's Spark) and just stand side by side to the cipher and shoot at the same enemies (and also profit from the chanter's sure handed Ila speedup). I would then make Kana an offtank. Now the Cipher: the best overall performance would be with the war bow "the Rain of Godagh Field" - but it comes rather late. Fortunately there's another good war bow named Borresaine earlier in the game that you could use in the meantime. But reloading weapons are also not bad. They don't have as high dps on paper, but against bosses they provide more penetrating power which makes them viable in those encounters that are usually hardest for ciphers. You decide which you like best on "vibes". Both paths are viable and good. I wouldn't recommend blunderbusses though because they don't work well against bosses and have trouble to perform well with lashes against mid- to high armored foes in general. They are awesome against weak foes, but that's not an area where the Cipher needs improvement. One Eyed Molina's Spike Flinger (soulbound arbalest) might be a great option after the latest patch because it got fixed and is now very strong once fully leveled. And you can get it super early if you saved some coin. Attributes: MIG:+ CON:ø DEX:++ PER:+ INT:++ RES:- Important talents are Weapon Focus (which fits your main weapon of choice), Marksman, Gunner (only if reloading weapon such as arbalest,crossbow or firearms), Draining Whip. Go with light or no armor. I personally value mind control (confuse, charm, dominate) over all else. It's much more impactful than the damaging cipher spells for example. Exceptions are Disintegrate and Amplified Wave, both are amazing. Disintegrate vs. bosses and Amplified Wave against everything. Besides that Borrowed Instincts is great as well as Defensive Mindweb. If you use the marking Paladin from above then Tactical Meld is also very interesting! It will give you an additional all-stackable accuracy on top of the Paladin's +20 (or +30 if Darcozzi) from Marking. +40 in total (or+50). This makes landing crits against any enemy (even dragons etc.) supereasy. Watch out: mind controlled enemies (charmed, dominated) usually don't generate focus if you attack them with your weapon. Let them do their thing and pick another target instead if you can. Cheers!

Yes, the "barely have to pay attention" is what lifts the Ranger (without Animal Companion) up over the Rogue imo who usually needs constant attention to be most effective. This maybe isn't a plus if one's considering a Ranger as the main character (I think most players even like to micromanage their MC) but as a companion or adventurer that's a good thing, especially when you have 6 party members who all might demand at least a little bit attention. That was the only reason why a tried to turn the otherwise high-micro-mgnt Monk into a low-maintenance build: It's cool to have a party member you don't need to care for and who's still very good.

It has two damage types (shock/pierce) which is pretty good. The only other bow that does this is Sagani's Massuk Hunting Bow. Edit: btw. Heart of the Storm (+20% dmg for shock attacks) works for both the arrow damage (no matter whether pierce or shock gets used) as well as the Returning Storm proc.

Maybe also try out Stormcaller. It's the more exciting bow, also because of its cool visual and audio effects - but Persistence does better single target damage.

Yes, it's great. But I sort of count it in when I claim that Rangers (without Animal Companion) do comparable dmg to Rogues. I think without Driving Flight the damage output of the Ranger (without AC) is lower than a Rogue's (even if you can attack faster) - until you get Twinned Shot.

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I play the AC like a Rogue, not a frontliner. If an enemy is already attacked by a teammate (usually tank) I will flank the enemy with the AC and also shoot at it with the ranger. You are right that it's more difficult to maneuver the AC through enemy lines. When there's no space I won't do that. The Ranger does comparable single target damage to the Rogue, especially at the higher levels (see Twinned Shot) and has resourceless CC (see Stunning Shots). But on top you get an additional entity which can act like a "Rogue light". That's my reasoning why Rangers should be higher in the list than the Rogue. Maybe they are at the bottom of my personal BnB-tier. The good thing about the AC is that is has no health pool, only endurance. It also knows no injuries. So it is an additional body that will never force you to rest. And if you have a Chanter with "Rise Again, Rise Again, Scions of Adon" in the party you can revive the AC infinite times.

Exactly

I mean if you generally want to limit resting as much as possible it's only logical to use Wound Binding + Mercy and Kindness. By the way: Infuse with Vital Essence + Mercy and Kindness ist nice for a Wizard who doesn't need wound binding or field triage then. Also works with the potion.

Oh yes, you are right! It's only in Deadfire that Mith Fyr doesn't apply to direct spell damage anymore. Sorry, it's been a long time since I played PoE1. I even found an old post of mine that explains that it works with direct spell damage. I most often preferred Dragon Thrashed though. With a good build you can put 3 instances on enemies - and the DoT does stack. It's just nice that you can deal "passive" damage while there's buffing/casting/running around or even while party members (maybe you most potent damage dealer) might be disabled. Just a pretty big source of damage from a character who otherwise wouldn't deal much damage himself. Mith Fyr is great if you do alpha strikes and high per-hit damage numbers in general. The 25% fire lash has to overcome 1/4 of enemies' burn DR - and unfortunately lashes get no MIN damage if they cannot penetrate. So with a "death by a 1000 cuts" approach (Minor Blights+Blast, Chillfog...) and also DoTs like Combusting Wounds, Plague of Insects and so on it's not that great. Maybe that's why I often pass on it: I like to do all that stuff. With direct damage attacks that hit hard it's indeed very good. It's even better if you have some party members who picked Scion of Flame. They usually can do fire damage by spell/ability/weapon - and that gets boosted by 20%. Add the burning lash which gets boosted from 25% to 30% and uses the 20% higher fire damage as base - very nice! Where Mith Fyr is def. better: if you have a low ACC and/or low MIG Chanter. While that won't influence Mith Fyr at all it transforms the Dragon Thrashed into the Dragon's Trash a bit (although the +12 ACC quirk can help). I wouldn't bother with it then and pick a nice support chant setup (like Mith Fyr + Sure-Handed Ila and later Mercy and Kindness or so). But the cool thing is: with enough INT you can put out Mith Fyr and Dragon Thrashed with complete overlap. And with higher Brisk Recitation scaling you can even have 2 stacks of Dragon Thrashed on the enemy and still use Mith Fyr without a gap. The party's Animal Companion with Predator's Sense sure would love that: unlocking with the fire/slash DoT AND gaining +25% burn damage for the bites:

Yeah it depends on your party composition. Mith Fyr is great when you have a lot of weapon damage in the party. It isn't very useful for a caster-heavy group. Dragon Thrashed works no matter the party composition. A high-INT Chancer can also do like 2 stacks of Dragon Thrashed + 1 Mith Fyr if I remember correctly - at least with the full Brisk Recitation bonus. There's also a little quirk with offensive chants like Dragon Thrashed: those gain +12 ACC when you use a single one handed weapon in the main hand. And another cool thing is that you can withdraw a Chanter - but his chants will still work. They also keep adding phrases to your counter. When using Dragon Thrashed It's like having an undestructible AoE damage totem in the middle of the battlefield. Very nice trick for blocking chokepoints, too. That's part of the triangle (Priest+Cipher+Chanter) I talked about before: the Chanter picks a shield with Preservation (+50 to all defenses when prone or stunned) and an armor with Preservation. Since both stack (bc. shield/weapon enchantments stack with everything) the Chanter will get +100 to all defenses if he gets stunned or prone. Withdraw counts as a stun. Cipher casts Defensive Mindweb Priest withdraws the Chanter which triggers Preservation twice Chanter can still sing the Dragon Thrashed (so he's not standing around useless while withdrawn) while he is untouchable Chanter gains +100 to all defenses from 2*Preservation - which he shares with the whole party bc. of Def. Mindweb I mean you can also do that with any other class instead of Chanter - but it's the only class that can do something cool while withdrawn. I'm curious what you'll say. I liked the combo of Brutal Takedown with the other dmg abilites for the AC. But picking several abilities/talents for the AC naturally leads to a shortage of points for the Ranger - but I think that a ranged Ranger doesn't really need that many abilities/talents in the first place. I wouldn't pick Marked Prey for example. The Persistence bow is on lvl 4 of the Endless Paths iirc. I would try to get that for Sagani asap. It's the best overall single target ranged weapon in the game because of the wounding enchantment and it automatically unlocks Predator's Sense which is very convenient.

Maybe not. It may be that it's just the way they play that puts me off. Cipher may be my least favorite class for a main character in PoE - despite its many unique dialoge options and depite Mind Control which I usually see as one of the most impactful mechanics in the game. It's like removing an enemy and receiving a summon. I was very pleased by the Beguiler of Deadfire - and later the Psion - because they allow for a different playstyle. But as I said: their biggest weakness to me personally is underperformance in boss fights. To me it just feels that the Cipher is letting me down when I need it the most. That's the opposite of the per-rest casters: those can spam their whole arsenal if they have to. On the other hand: I'm pretty confident that in lower difficulties this isn't even an issue. But as I said: I could be convinced easily that they belong one tier higher on the list. What I like about Chanters is that they regain resources passively, can also passively heal while they are singing other chants (Ancient Memory is not a chant like in Deadfire) and "the Dragon Thrashed" quite frankly. With Brisk Recitation and high INT you can stack up to 3 instances on enemies iirc. Casually dealing big AoE damage that targets Reflex while loading up on phrases for some nasty animated weapons or some other invocation is just so sweet in terms of action economy. But it may be that it's just my love for their mechanics that lets me put them higher than Ciphers. But they let me loot the complete castle of Raedric in the early game with minimal effort - that has to be rewarded. Rogues are pretty cool for solo though, I'll give them that. But I don't play a lot of solo runs so that's not a very compelling argumet for me personally. It's a party-based RPG after all. For the late(ish) game priority targets I do prefer Fighters (Charge is so good for that because it does a hidden, instant Full Attack on the target on top of the crush damage) or Rangers - they don't even have to run to the target. Just Twinned Shot + Stunning Shot with Persistence (the wounding hunting bow) and usually they are toast pretty quickly. At least they are stunned most of the time. I value them over Fighters and Rogues and I think they are as good as Barbs (just very different) and Paladins. Not as fun as Barbs (obviously). Not as good as Cipher (also obviously). My reasoning is mainly that they come with an additonal body which some players just dismiss because the AC is kind of fragile in the early game and you cannot tank with it. But it's like a free summon that has no health pool (never truly dies, never gets injured). Summons in general are a very powerful mechanic - and having the AC is like having a permanent summon which can evolve and deliver very hard hits: unlike Deadfire, in PoE the Animal Companions' base(!) damage scales with level. They don't get an additive dmg bonus like fine/exceptional etc. like they do in Deadfire. Instead their base weapon damage scales - and it scales pretty steeply. That in combination with damage bonuses such as Vicious & Merciless Companion, Brutal Takedown (this is fixed dmaage which only has to penetrate 1/4th of DR for some reason, also see Iconic Projection which also does this) and most importantly Predator's Sense (unlocked automatically by wounding weapon such a Persistence) leads to some absurd damage numbers for such an unassuming animal. Sure, they attack slowly, but they sure know how to crack open even the thickest armor. Especially the Wolf (and Itumaak) is great that way because it has even higher base damage than the rest of the ACs. And then later you have Twinned Shots + Stunning Shots which is just great in combo with the high accuracy. As I said above it's great to have for taking out high priority targets such as enemy casters. I don't like Rangers too much as main character - but they make nice companions imo. If you only use the AC as bodyguard for the Ranger then you don't even need to micromanage them much. Even melee is fun due to Swift Aim and being able to flank everything with your AC. I received quite a lot of positive feedback for the "Riptide" melee ranger build - I think it just performed a lot better than players expected it would. Okay cool, unfortunately I have a nasty cold/cough at the moment and my throat is sore. I will muse a bit about what to do while I get better and then I will get back to you... once my voice isn't that of Michael Wincott anymore. I already know two three characters which I played and enjoyed but which I didn't post as builds.

Whoops, totally skipped that part, sorry. Sure! What else would I do with my new microphone?

Fair enough if you apply that "low rest" rule. But still: Priest's Inspiring Radiance is 1/encounter - and stuff like Blessing and also Devotions can get there as well (with spell mastery). With the most impactful Druid spells (imo) you cannot achieve mastery. But the Druid has Spiritshift which is awesome. Unfortunately it's rather short (for PotD anyway). I view resting a bit differently because there's no real limit to it, besides that it can be cumbersome to collect resting supplies in some areas, like the Endless Paths - and I account for that, too. But I don't try to rest as little as possible per se. It comes down to this for me: it's so much more noticable if I go without a Priest compared to going without a Druid (or Wizard or any other class). And I don't even use Barring Death's Door and Salvation of Time much. I do not need to use Prayers in every fight. But when I need to they make such a big difference. In general I was (mildly) surprised that my personal ranking doesn't differ much from yours. I've had so many discussions in the past on how awesome rogues are because they have great weapon dps. Also many players see Ciphers as being "the best" class just because they can deal weapon damage and cast spells. For me it's more like "they have to deal weapon damage" - and that's the bad part. At least for me. That's why I liked my instantly nerfed Backlash Beldam Cipher build so much... and the Psion in Deadfire.

My personal list for parties on PotD difficulty: Game Breaking Tier: Priest Overloaded Tier: Wizard, Druid, Monk, Chanter Bread'n'Butter Tier: Cipher, Barbarian, Paladin, Ranger Niche Tier: Fighter, Rogue Druid is really nice and so versatile, but imo not as impactful as a Priest - just because Inspiring Radiance + Devotions & Prayers. Unparalleled impact on every party imo. 6 Priest party: 6* Inspirig Radiance + Devotions = +80 ACC for everybody. Wizard has nice spells and great summoned weapons with enormous base and the cheesy grimoire mechanic that allows him to learn all spells without actually spending ability points. Just scribe some grimoires, retrain, learn all the spells from the grimoires before leveling up and you're done. Maximum spell selection with minimal ability picks for spells. Deleterious Alacrity of Motion is nuts in PoE. Monk has very good starting values, potentially endless resources and great AoE capability (which is important for PotD). Torment's Reach with a dual wielding setup is almost too good. There's a reason we fear enemy monks more than most other enemy types. Henlo Abbey of the Fallen Moon it is I, the guy who hates to fight you. Chanter is kind of made for PotD. The longer the fights the better the Chanter performs. Can clear Raedric's Castle with White Worms solo, later there's Dragon Thrashed: damage for nothin' (and your chicks for free), Ogres, Animated Weapons... Cipher is great in most fights but I find the struggles to get sufficient focus against tough bosses a bit frustrating. The love triangle between Cipher, Chanter and Priest with Defensive double Preservation + Withdraw + Mindweb + Dragon Thrashed is extremely strong though (+100 to all defenses for the party, wow). But still... I don't like that when it matters most the Cipher kind of falls behind in terms of spellcasting. I would put in somewhere in between Overloaded and Bread'n Butter - but since I have to make a decision I put it into the latter (don't really like to play it because of the "to and fro" with weapons and spells). WelI could be easily convinced to put him higher I guess... Barbarian is loads of fun with the funky Carnage mechanics and weapon effects. Maybe my favorite class (hard competition with Monk). But Barb also suffers from the "not great vs. boss" malaise - and it's not good in the early game due to low accuracy and low deflection (and little impact of the potentially big health pool, which only comes into play later). Limited resources - but Heart of Fury! Paladin (especially the Darcozzi) has amazing potential for ACC buffing a single ally on top of the other goodies and it can be tanky without even trying. But there's not much going on in the AoE department except Sacred Immolation. Limited resources. Ranger is a great single target damage dealer with an animal companion that can hit hard like a truck if build properly. (AoE) CC on top if you wish. Awesome CC against single enemies later on without using resources. Which makes it better than the Rogue imo. Ranger with Persistence + Predator's Sense against some high-priority targets... ouch. Fighter and Rogue suffer from no AoE and uninspired/lame/tooo expensive high level abilities and limited resources. Both nice in the early game (esp. Fighter) - but the power curve is too flat imo.

Afaik you cannot. But I simply pick one and queue up its special attacks with the shift key. Then the next. But I only do this when the fight is really hard because it's a very tedious job. Usually it's sufficient to just select them all, point to a single enemy and *pouf*. By the way: having a SC Priest with Spark the Souls of the Righteous in combination with 8 animated weapons is also wild.

Hehe yeah I know it works. The question mark outside the brackets was meant as "Chanter(xyz)?" as in "should I pick this class maybe?" Sorry... Just played around with SC Beckoner for a bit while trying to compose a fun Stalker/Chanter. Holy moly the PL9 8*ancient weapons with some party support: just crazy.

I understand - but even when it's all about survivability I'd still not pick Antelope - but Boar. Defenses comparison (incl. Antelope's +10 to all defenses bonus): Deflection Bear: +0 Boar: +5 Antelope: +9 Fortitude Bear: +14 Boar: +14 Antelope: +10 Reflex Bear: +4 Boar: -4 Antelope: +28 Will Bear: -10 Boar: +0 Antelope: -2 And now the boar has endless regeneration on top. Imo that's the better package in terms of survivability, especially in the early game. Of course the Antelope has higher combined defenses than the Boar, but it pumps it all into one crazy Reflex defense - which is not so great for overall survivability imo. I can see one case though where this focus on Reflex might be great: If I'd want to build an Animal Companion who does not need to worry about friendly fire Reflex spells too much (a Wizard's Fireballs for example), the Antelope + Defensive/Strengthened Bond might be my pick. Should add up to ~123 stackable Reflex at lvl 20 if I'm not mistaken. I don't know. I picked bears for survivability in combo with Stalkers rel. often - and it worked quite well imo. But ofc. then the Bear then starts with an additional +1 AR because of the Stalker passive. With Resiliant Companion (taken right away) he will start with very decent AR (11 believe) and he feels quite sturdy - compared to a Wolf at least (which is my second favorite AC). Hm... now I wonder if I should try to build a Stalker/something tank + Bear AC. With Shining Bulwark shield (+1 AR for the Bear), maybe Furrante's Breastplate (-10% dmg received for the Bear)... What second class? Chanter (healing + dmg shield chant - bonuses would also work for summons)? Cipher (Pain Block +2 AR)? Shieldbearer (Exalted Endurace +1 AR etc.)? Ancient (2 Sporelings+Wild Growth AND 1 Bear + Nature's Balm's +2 AR)? Beastmaster tank sounds pretty nice for a change. Shining Bulwark doesn't fit the theme though. Edit: Argh, Nature's Balm and Wild Growth are on the same spell level.