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Exactly my point. Why would you? AD&D is *so* much more fun!

Even with the most "elegant" rulesets (SLA, Storyteller..etc) I have found much potential for *LOTS* of house rules. I have yet to find a perfect or even near-perfect system. It just doesn't exist. As for PnP games, considering the move to d20/3E (which I don't like) coupled with the emphasis on hack and slash action RPGs as of late I will be gladly skipping some of these. It is admittedly, a shame.As I stated earlier, however, even with a ruleset I don't care much for (like d20), I can enjoy a well-done game with those rules(like the d20-ish KOTOR1). Many people on these boards profess hatred for 2ndED ,yet, Planescape Torment must be the most respected game on here. Heck, it is probably just as or even more loved here than such skill-based games with the "superior" rulesets like Fallout. A "crappy" ruleset doesn't have to doom or dictate a game regardless of platform. In the case of PnP, all it takes is a competent DM/GM/Storyteller/referee and in PC RPGs -- great writers/programmers that know how to put together an awesome storyline with a lot of *real* RPG features. And you can do this even without house rules.

It would make sense to make a Shadowrun PC RPG especially with the recent surge in popularity that Shadowrun is enjoying with 3rd edition and all. It would make good business sense as well as satisfy us fans. Who do you think would purchase the license though?

I would love to see a "pure"cyberpunk style PC game with nothing but cold metal (without the magic elements)! That said, Genesis Shadowrun was indeed superior to SNES Shadowrun. It was far less linear and much closer to FASA's ruleset and setting. SNES Shadowrun's storyline though admittedly more compact than Genesis' version I thought was hardly convincing. The main weakness with the Genesis version was the random computer-generated events/encounters and the redo-ing of the same shadowruns over and over and over again. The SNES versions' horrible key word dialogue system and adventure elements was far worse however.

Ahhh yes.. GURPS. I have tried that and granted it is much more realistic than D&D. But that realism comes at the price of slowing your game down to a crawl. Granted, I *love* the character creation system in GURPS.. I must say it is the best I have ever seen. The combat, however, is a whole different matter. All the hit location, passive/active defense rules ..etc IMHO is complete overkill. The combat chapter was probably 100 pages long. And since you also play CoC. Just a quick comment...CoC is in some ways just the complete opposite of GURPS. It hardly has any rules at all particularly in the area of combat. Granted, combat is supposed to be only a small part of CoC but the few times combat happens it is wholly unsatisfying. The rules seem too plain vanilla for me and not enough to satisfy my strategy/tactical combat requirements. This is why I always go back to D&D. To me, it is the best of both worlds.. Detail and Efficiency. It's got enough detail (with Player's Option, in particular) to make combat interesting and at the same time keep combat moving at a brisk pace. And with the PO's you *can* make any type of character you want, albeit, it might have some slight balance problems. But then again, so does GURPS (or any other system)at moderately high character point totals too. And class-based systems have never bothered me at all. Unlike how they apparently bother everyone else here. *shrugs* Edit: Speaking of making your own system. FUDGE seems to be relatively popular. It is basically a bunch of guidelines on how to make your own rpg system. I never got around to reading it, but perhaps someday.

Strider... Now that was one AWESOME game.

Good stuff! Let us know whatcha think.

First- I'd say that the setting and DM are much more important than the ruleset. I don't like d20 either but I would play it in a heartbeat with a good DM in an interesting non hack and slash campaign. Second- a very good DM, GM, Storyteller (or whatever) can make a great campaign out of a setting with an otherwise inferior ruleset(especially with house rules). Likewise, a game with a "great" ruleset doesn't guarantee a successful campaign under an incompetent DM. Lastly, I have seen people here bicker about small things that they don't like about certain systems(AoO, proficiencies, certain spells)..I don't see what the big deal is about fixing the problem yourself via house rules. House rules make discussions about how unbalanced "stoneskin" is in 2ndEd moot. IMHO, if there is something you don't like just fix it so it works... It's not *that* hard. Now, of course, if you can't stand the entire system top-down altogether (or dislike something fundamental to the ruleset like "hp" or "classes") and have deep enough pockets to be spending tons of money on every new system that comes out on the market just to find one that is the same or only marginally better than the one previous then I guess that's fine too. Of course I could be preaching to the choir here to a whole bunch of rules purists

All this discussion shows that there is truly not one ruleset that is better than any other. People's tastes vary so much that it is impossible to say "x-system" is the best or that it is so much better than this other system... What one person may consider a great system another might think is total crap. All rulesets have their strengths and weaknesses.. It is just a matter of making sure that *you* as the player/DM will be able to live with the particular weaknesses that a certain ruleset has. If you can't then it is on to another system which you personally perceive as better.

Nah. Skill and brains beat pure size/brawn everytime. It is precisely because Bruce Lee is so much smaller he would be far more agile and knock Tyson down before he realizes what hit him. And you know what they say.. the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

This is kinda an obvious poll... There is little doubt that Bruce Lee would win. A better poll would be Bruce Lee vs. Jet Li or something like that.

Depends.. is hitting pressure points allowed?

I think the greatest martial artist can pwn the greatest boxer... Bruce Lee

yep... definitely not a good thing.

Err... not to be raining on your party or anything, but the biggest issue people seemed to have with the game was its poor performance. And since that was caused by the game's use of an unpolished and poorly optimized early build of the Source engine, the patch doesn't fix it. Lots of people (myself included) reported the game suffering memory leaks, too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Memory leaks? As in mysteriously disappearing saved games?

The "cuteness" the first half hour or so of ROTS was reminiscent of TPM. Although admittedly funny, I felt it didn't fit well alongside the much darker hour and a half that followed. I felt like this detracted from the movie slightly, (especially for one that was billed to be very dark)although, still overall a pretty good movie. It is ironic though that nobody complains about this in ROTS yet on first mention of the ewoks of ROTJ most don't hesitate to trounce that movie.

Good taste Darth Vagula, that's exactly how I have it TESB is a tad overrated and ROTJ is very underrated, IMHO.

Don't worry, I'll be getting the latest patch for Bloodlines.. Hopefully that addresses most of the bugs --knock on wood--.

For the setting's sake, I hope that never happens. *Ugh*.... I can't imagine playing Planescape under GURPS rules..

I just received my delivery of Vampire:Bloodlines about 5 minutes ago. After I finish Ultima VII part II, I think I will play this next and then Wizardry 8.

Alright! ROTJ is currently tied with ANH for third place at 6 votes a piece. Go ROTJ! It won't last long in third...but I am enjoying it while it lasts

I actually thought that the Obi-wan/Anakin duel was even better than the Obi-wan/Qui-Gonn/Darth Maul one.

Apparently *nobody* thinks that Attack of the Clones was the best SW movie.. At least, we can all agree on something.

I know I am in the minority but I thought ROTJ was clearly the best out of the original trilogy. It did the most interesting part of the Ep4-6 storyline being the climax, was also the most emotional/sentimental, and action-packed out of the 3 originals. Not to mention that it introduced us to someone even creepier and more evil than Vader-- Palpatine. Definitely makes my skin crawl. This and ROTS were my favorites. After that TESB and ANH are a distant 3rd and 4th respectively. I am not even going to bother with Ep1 or Ep2.

Anybody else?