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Who cares, I always post scans without bothering about such things. And I'm so interested... If you're afraid to post them here, for no apparent reason, can you at least email or PM them to me?

Well, since global.jrl is the only file in Override modified, it shouldn't conflict with any other mods, provided that their authors don't modify Korriban themselves. The worst thing that can occur is that journal entries for Korriban will go fubar, but when the Restoration Project is released, I will modify their file to include the needed entries.

I don't need "some more information". I don't need unfinished dialogs with no visible meaning in them. Just tell me the synopsis of the original ending, and I will decide for myself if it was any better than the current one.

Disciple's name is Mical. That must be written in big letters and made sticky.And Atton's last name is so random... Now, this is not funny, but something I really want to see in the game: Exile: I decided to make a few changes to our little community. First, G0-T0 must be left chained to a rock in the wilderness of Dxun and shot from a great distance. Second, Kreia must be left chained to G0-T0 to be there when his proton core explodes. Third, Mandalore, you convinced every Mandalorian in the game to join you at the camp, so please either get off my ship or become a Jedi and go light side. Fourth, when we're done with Nihilus, we convince Bastila to join us. Fifth, Atton is now forbidden to quarrel with Disciple. Sixth, Bao-Dur must restore HK-47's memory and make him unlock the astrogation system with Revan's voice. I'm bored with this. [influence +: Atton (Kreia), Influence -: Atton (Disciple), net influence + with Atton, Influence +: Disciple, Influence +: Mandalore, Influence +: Bao-Dur, Influence +: HK-47 (usefulness), Influence -: HK-47 (light side mentioned), Influence +: Visas (done with Nihilus), Influence +: T3-M4 (Bastila), LS Points + (G0-T0), LS Points + (Kreia), DS Points + (brutality), net LS shift]

Mical - because he loves you, if you are female. Otherwise he doesn't follow you. Canderous - because he welcomes an opportunity to have a good fight, and dangers seem to follow you; also the opportunity to seek the scattered Mandalorians. Also... maybe he hopes the Ebon Hawk can give him some clues about Revan's location, although he agreed to join you before he learned that your ship was the Ebon Hawk. Mira - uhm, the Jolee Bindo thing. Just for fun and diversity. She has no more reason to follow you than her counterpart in the first game. G0-T0 - because he needs to monitor you, as you can help him with his plans to bring stability to the Republic. There's no reason why you need to keep him onboard, though. You are right about Peragus, it's so long and boring. It's supposed to be a short tutorial level like the Endar Spire, then you get the long expositionary Telos (which takes the role of both Taris and Dantooine from the first game). And if Bao-Dur was on Peragus... well, then there would be no need to have so much of it. (Poor Zez-Kai Ell, everyone misspells his name.)

The Restoration Team originally refused to restore anything related to M4-78, including Vash. If they include this into their project or reimplement it, I will be grateful, but I doubt they will. The original discussion is here. Already posted on pcgamemods.com .

Download (693k) Basically, Korriban is modified to fit the alive Lonna Vash into the plot. The mod uses her existing voiceover from M4-78, without mentioning the planet itself, of course. Her Padawan who was supposed to be on M4-78, Kaah Ohtok, also makes an appearance, replacing her as the corpse in the torture room. (Although his appearance may not match the developers' original vision.) Make sure that your character has never been to Korriban before, or the levels will glitch.

Precisely. It's a pity they didn't include Vash's deleted dialog. It would prevent the question from ever being asked.

I didn't pay anything and just downloaded the game fom our network, and I wouldn't care even if someone paid $10000.I think it was a decent ending. Not breathtaking, but decent. And not a cliche like both endings of KOTOR I. For that I liked it. The original ending... Looks like everyone understands it in detail, and I, for some reason, fail to understand a thing in those incomplete, not tied together dialogs. The only thing I understood is that half the party dies, which is a Bad Thing.

I like the current ending. And perhaps I'm the only one who wants to leave it as is and don't change anything at all.

We don't need any voiceover for a dead apprentice, do we? As for M4-78 - there are very few lines in Vash's dialog that do refer to it, and they can be easily omitted. Here is Vash's dialog, as it's supposed to sound in the tomb. The following encounter with Sion doesn't need any voiceover at all. (Extract the archive to the game folder, then type 'warp newkor' in the cheat console - it's just for conversation testing, so it's not the tomb but the Korriban outdoors, Vash is standing just near the Ebon Hawk.)

I know that. But it doesn't prevent placing her on Korriban, porovided that lines specific to M4-78 are cut.

I'm currently trying to put Vash back, since the KOTOR II Restoration Team refused to do so. Although the idea behind is not mine. Basically, in the proposed version, instead of her, you see the body of her apprentice Kaah, who is luckily mentioned in her voiceover. Then you encounter Vash in the Secret Tomb, have a conversation, and in the end she sacrifices herself to save you from Sion.

Like: 1. Bastila 2. Mission 3. Exile 4. Bao-Dur (charming) 5. Disciple, because everyone else hates him Neutral: 1. "New and improved" Revan, Jolee and Juhani, although mostly to the positive side. I blame Revan for being just a pawn, basically, in both LS and DS stories, and the other two for being quite stereotypical and underdeveloped, but in common, my attitude to them is positive. 2. The droids T3-M4 and HK-47. Funny, but not much help in melee combat, my preferrable type of combat. Also constantly having HK around is unacceptable for LS characters. 3. Canderous. He's DS and I cannot improve the situation, which is a bad thing. And stereotypical. But still charismatic, and worthy of respect for his efforts to unite the Mandalorians. Dislike: 1. Malak. Such a cliche. 2. Atton. Such a cliche, again. 3. Atris. The developers seem to be confused trying to overdevelop her and instead she ended up being underdeveloped. I never quite understood her motives, even less I understood why I had to fight her. Also for complete lack of any point and any value for the main storyline. 4. G0-T0. I always wanted to blow up that useless floating orb somewhere in the desert. Maybe on Korriban, this way at least he would be a little useful. 5. Kreia. It's so blatantly obvious that she's bad and just using you, and pretty useless in combat, having only one hand. I was outraged when that blind witch was forced to be my companion on Onderon.

First of all, the "Darth Malak" period (the Jedi Civil War) follows the Mandalorian Wars, not precedes them.Second, Malak was not Darth in the first vision - he was still a Jedi. That vision alludes the recruitment campaign for those Jedi who wanted to fight in the wars against the wishes of the Council. I think we can also conclude that Exile was personally recruited by Malak.

All right, I will no longer discuss that Disciple subject. I see no one takes him seriously anyway. Some more random nonsense... Although I know it's not funny. Kreia [to Exile]: Are you sure Revan is truly dead? What if we undertake to train [points at Atton] this one, and the Dark Lord would return? Divine Voice: Brianna, o Brianna, where for arst thou Brianna? Deny thy mother and refuse thy name. Exile is on the Ebon Hawk after meeting the three Jedi Masters on Dantooine. Kreia is nowhere to be seen, the rest of the party is looking strange: Atton is holding his head, Disciple and Bao-Dur are feeling sick and are about to pass out, the droids are short-circuited... Mandalore [holding his heart]: ...Yes, Exile, she really used Visas' lipstick! I believe she blonded her hair, too... You have no idea how it loo... [falls] Exile: I looked into the deleted content! T3 told me everything about your true identity, Canderous, and about your business with Revan! Now, show me your face at last... Mandalore: We Mandalorians never take off our helmets. One who does loses his honor and is a Mandalorian no more - such are our traditions sanctified by the breath of the centuries... [Exile, using Force levitation, takes off Mandalore's helmet to reveal one of Handmaiden's sisters.] "Mandalore": I knew you were not ready to accept the truth... But why should the real Canderous be still alive? Why should he now be more real than any other political puppet? [nods at G0-T0, Exile faints]

Yes, the Handmaiden one was annoying, I maxed my influence on her only to find that she refuses to answer questions about her mother .

It was proposed that Palpatine used Battle Meditation to help his forces. Therefore, if Palpatine was alive, the Rebels may have never penetrated the station's defenses.I wouldn't mind if they resurrected him once, but twice? Or thrice, I don't really remember. And it was rumored they're going to do it once more. The problem is, Exile can be male or female, while Nihilus is male. It is established by Visas when she says she saw "just a man, nothing more".

Exile is looking at himself in a mirror, shaving, brushing teeth, then adjusting his tie... Atton: ...Anyway, why Visas? She's blind, she wears that silly robe so you can't even see her legs, and she refused to dance for Vogga... Exile: Shh! Here she comes, a goddess indescribable in her divine beauty, so perfect that I'm afraid to even turn my eyes on her... [Visas disappears behind a corner] Exile: Did she look at me? Atton: No. Exile: Noooooooooo!!! Atton: She's blind, I told you. Disciple [to male Exile]: For the last time, I won't marry you... [Audience cracks up] Disciple: [stands up and looks into the camera] What? You! Just because I'm such a pretty-looking blonde young man with an innocent face... [Audience cracks up once again] Disciple: ...doesn't mean I'm a gay! [Audience cannot stop laughing, Atton stops looking through the keyhole and rolls on the floor laughing] Disciple: And just because I have these big healthy white teeth doesn't mean I'm funny, too! You're all just jealous! [Kreia stops meditating and starts dying of laughter] Disciple: You are no better than Handmaiden and Mira! I can show you a recording of what they do when they lock in that storage room... [Everyone stops laughing and pretends to be deaf] Disciple [to Exile]: So, for the last time, I will not marry you! And since it was you who dragged me to the Ebon Hawk and proposed it, I suggest you to ask Bao-Dur instead. At least he's horny. (I know these ones are lame, but I felt compelled to answer to those Visas-lovers and Disciple-haters.)

Nihilus is too dangerous to be left alive by the developers. If they make him return, it would mean their complete lack of originality, something I always hated in the lame "cloned Palpatine" series. They should have left him truly dead, like Lucas intended. I think Obsidian is wise enough not to repeat that mistake. Besides, Palpatine was cloned because fans wanted to see him once again, and I really doubt we can say the same about Nihilus.

The lines are in dialog.tlk, extracted here. The corresponding voiceover is in StreamVoice/802/vash01. Basically, while it is painful to lose someone you are bonded with, it is not fatal. Such bonds are common between Masters and their Padawans; Vash herself had a bond with her Padawan, Kaah, and, despite feeling his death, survived it. Also, one side of the bond can become deaf to it and unable to feel the other's death. And if Nihilus is a physical representation of Exile's wound, then Exile most have severed this wound by destroying Nihilus. Yet Kreia is interested in both Nihilus' death and the expansion of Exile's wound - things that contradict each other.

As pretty as the "Nihilus-is-the-dark-side-of-Exile" idea is, I'm compelled to disregard it. It's not Ultima, and Exile is not Avatar. (Although there are some parallels to other characters, like Nameless One from Planescape: Torment.) Avatar killed Guardian by sacrificing his own life, and what do we see in KOTOR II? Exile kills Nihilus, who is believed by someone to be his dark side self, and still lives (even in the DS story); Exile kills Traya who is supposed to have a Force bond with him and still survives. Although the latter was explained by Lonna Vash in the deleted content.

Well, if it's violet, it requires more explanation, since violet is a "universal" color, used by both light- and dark-siders. But one dark and one universal saber... it doesn't make sense. It would be have more sense of there was one light and one dark saber, or one or two dark sabers. Or did they mean Revan was 3/4 dark and 1/4 light? Well, perhaps it was a stupid thought. But seriously, he only appears with one lightsaber in KOTOR I cinematics, if I recall correctly, so there must be a reason for two of them...

Visas was also a product of Exile's imagination. As well as his whole party, Revan, Malak, Bastila and the Mandalorians - we saw that on Korriban %). Seriously though, I agree with GhostofAnakin and [Gabrielle[/b]'s interpretation. The vision with Revan was a part of the past, the Mandalorian Wars. But why fight Revan, and why does Exile's dark-side self appear and disappear? I think other visions give the answer... In the first vision, when you tell Malak that Bastila didn't join him, he replies that she didn't join him at that time, but was mentally with them, sort of. So, when you refuse to join Malak and fight him, it's symbolizing that you're fighting your past - you do not accept it any more. But you never really fought Malak, nor will you be able to do so, as he's already dead. In the third vision, we see another "imaginary" fight. By fighting Kreia or your other followers, you distance yourself from them - this is the way for you to admit that what they were doing, or willing to do, was wrong. Then we have the fight with Revan. I think it symbolizes the choice Exile made when he decided to return to the Council and accept his punishment. By doing so, he renounced Revan, and this is why the Dark Exile vision disappears: Exile stepped away from Revan's path to the Dark Side. By fighting Revan, you confirm your unwillingness to continue that path. There are two things that are worth mentioning. Why do you have to fight Revan? I believe that since the visions are a chance for you to relive your choices and see if you would do different things than you actually did, the absence of other options signifies that Exile didn't have a choice. It was simply impossible for him to stay with Revan on the Dark Side and follow his and his followers' downfall. I don't know how to explain this - maybe Exile was not dark enough. Revan wielding two lightsabers, red and blue, can mean that he changed his alignment several times, as well as the ambiguous ending of KOTOR I.

Kreia: I feel a disturbance in the Force... Atton: Shut up, you always feel it. Handmaiden: Exile is mine! We were sparring in underwear! Visas: No, he is mine! He prefers those who can't see him naked... Mira: Hey, you two, Exile is mine! I am the expert in picking males, remember? Kreia: [Force Persuade] You are all mistaken. You will give Exile to me. Suddenly, they all hear the voice of Exile, who is meditating in the next room. Exile: ...As my feet walk through the ashes of Malachor, I shall not love, for love is addiction, and addiction is a weakness... The wisdom of the Jedi Code shall guide me, and I shall follow these absolute truths - there is no emotion, there is peace... *Handmaiden, Visas and Mira start crying, influence drops to 0*