Dark Lord of the Bith

Good call, KotorKyle. (w00t) I didn't LITERALLY mean, go to the bathroom. I meant find some excuse to not be there in the room with Kavar who obviously knows who Kreia is...

True, but remember, it seems that Kreia has the ability to make herself invisible to those (at her own will) who are Force Sensitive. If you play the game as a female, you get to see several scenes where Kreia messes around with Disciple's head this way. Also, regardless of which gender you picked, she cloaked her presence from Atris in the beginning, and to a lesser extent (but not enough), Darth Sion. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Excellent points. My complaint isn't that what went on was wrong, but shouldn't it have been explained how or why she managed this? The Atris thing was explained in a cutscene, but wouldn't it have been a little better if Kreia... suddenly had to use the little Jedis' room when you meet Kavar? Just a thought.

Not to mention that Kavar and Vrook don't even notice that Kreia is standing right next to you on Onderon and Dantooine (pt 1)... Suddenly it's - "Oh yeah, I THOUGHT she looked familiar..."

Same here. I've never been able to convince them of that, either... Even with persuade skill maxed and a good charisma. Anymore, I just pick a fight immediately and solve all their problems. If anybody has had more success with this, let us know!

Um.........when and where exactly did you find that out?? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ? The first time that I fought him... It reminded me of fighting Malak on the Leviathan. That whole "He's just too strong!" bit didn't jibe with the single use of Master Speed and Master Flurry that brought him down to half HPs... "Whaddya mean he's too strong?! Lemme fight him, Carth!" It can't surprise anyone here that Nihilious is waaay too easy, can it?!

The time that KOTORII got my blood pumping the most was when I thought Atris killed Brianna on my first playthough. Goody-goody light sider gave up his mastery to whack Atris, then felt dumb when Brianna was okay... Nihilious was great until I found out he had a glass jaw. Most terrible was Kreia offing the Jedi Masters. Had I been concious I would have said "Why the #^@% didn't you do that to Saquesh or that Drexl or those two #^@(!%& criminals when they ran right by us in the Czerka office?!!"

Grey Delisle (Handmaiden) is a fantastic VO actress, as well as a musician. Her credits (check IMDB) are almost as long as our beloved Jennifer Hale. She was also a couple of different characters in the Clone Wars cartoon, Asajj Ventress and Bariss Offee. If you look in the credits, KOTORII and Clone Wars pt. I share many actors. Hats off to Grey Delisle! ...and Jennifer Hale, of course. Kristoffer Tabori should do my answering machine message. I'd pay for that!

I've annoyed all of my neighbors by going into their homes and trying to break down their items into components. Every time they catch me, I see a little box appear over their heads that says "Influence lost: Mrs. Boudreaux" I watch movies now and say "Bing! LS points gained" or "Bing! DS points gained" at all the right moments. I need to work on my Force Persuade, too... Otherwise, not a lot of obessions, no.

That's a good thought, but when the Exile converses with Atton after Dantooine the Exile says that he has to go to Telos to get Kreia before Atris executes her and the Exile along with. If the bond had been broken without the Exile's knowledge, you may be right. If there was still a bond at that point then it must have been something other than Kreia's fall. I still don't have a theory, but I wanted to feel around and see if anybody had some better ideas. Keep them coming!

That was very astute. It makes sense. I hate to drag down the discussion here, but something has been bugging me. I haven't found any threads about this, but could someone please throw a brick of wisdom at my cranium here? Since Kreia and the Exile have a force chain and her death would mean his, how is it that the Exile manages to kill her without dying himself? It wasn't explained by Kreia at the end, and I haven't seen this explanation on the boards anywhere. Did the Exile cut himself off again to avoid death? Did he just die in the LS ending? ?

My ideas, for what they're worth... (no more than any of the previous) Mechanics -- like influence, workbench, lighsaber/upgrade changes, etc... How about branching force powers? Maybe instead of taking Force Wave (affecting many foes for medium damage/stun) I can take another branch with another power that does lots of damage to one foe or another that stuns them for many rounds, etc... Another example, energy resistance: I can have my PC take the version that only buffs himself/herself stronger and let one of my support Jedi take the version that buffs everybody. I leave it to the really creative ones to figure the details here. Engine -- Improved pathfinding AI, of course. Improved behaviors for my party. What happened to the Defensive behavior I read about in the manual? I'm also tired of my support Jedi using up all of their force points AFTER I've already slaughtered the lone Cannock in my path and not stopping until they've used every buffing power or ran out of force points. How about throwing a few into attacking while we're at it? Story -- The Jedi are getting decimated in every story. I would like to be able to help rebuild the Jedi order, or build a new Sith empire for DS. Since there's so few actual Jedi/Sith left, where do we keep getting them? This time, how about a colony of Force sensitives? The rejects that the council tested and found to have too many personality quirks or being to passionate to be trained as a Jedi. Perhaps your character was raised in such a setting and managed to learn how to commune with a deceased Jedi. Over the years he/she trains you for reasons that may end up being malevolent or honorable based on the LS/DS path you choose. Another 'what is this Jedi trying to get me to do and why?' storyline, I know. On your 'graduation day' when the game begins, our community of force sensitives is deemed to good to ignore for some faction of the Sith to pass up. They kidnap or kill the majority of them, while the PC is off... building a lightsaber, maybe? The matron/patron dead Jedi purposely kept you away to avoid their fate and purposely didn't warn you so that you wouldn't try to interfere and would end up with an impetus to become a powerful Jedi and (maybe) wipe out the hordes of Sith and start to rebuild the Jedi order. Maybe you just want to kick some butt and then rule the Sith yourself. Anyway, this leaves many different potential Jedi to free/enslave yourself and train. To tie this back to KotorII... Maybe Bao-Dur falls to the Darkside of the force. *ducks* He couldn't overcome the emotion of Malachor V and while the Exile is off helping Revan, BD is brooding. Instead of having a COMPLETELY EVIL VILLIAN that we HAVE TO KILL, we have a tragic character that instead of wiping out, we may (if we choose) try to redeem him. This idea was touched on with Atris, and in the Korriban tombs, but nothing really came of either of those choices besides a few LS points. Maybe we encounter Mira and she does just what Kreia says and dies protecting others on some world or another (where you happen to be fighting along side her) and we get our needed tear-jerker scene. I love the Handmaiden, I think that she is a dynamite character that wasn't given enough of a chance to develop. Most are that way, I know... If there's a chance to work her back in to the mix, I'd love that. Or maybe Bastilla?! Miscellaneous -- T3 rocked in KOTORII, but lets put the old horse out to pasture. *ducks again* Since we're using ideas for the orginal trilogy, how about a droid character similar to the Imperial probot (sans self-destruction). Yuthura Ban. Maybe too late for her, so something similar... Please? How about a badly-programmed protocol droid that develops psychotic traits and suicidal tendencies for a little comic relief? I realize that human-looking characters are going to be much easier to empathize with, but maybe you can give us the option of recruiting creatures of different races? (idea stolen from previous posters) Have several characters available, but only room for one or make us prioritize the lesser characters and leave a few at home... If we pick up a Bith saxophonist/medical tech/martini mixer (just an example) and he's going to fill some involved role instead of a highly-paid voice actor, you can just use the basic alien speech that is so common (and well done, I think) in KOTORII. So much to say... I'll leave this to the rest of the community to comment/critique/insult. Whatever, just please don't try to get it to the stores this X-mas... Or next. I'll wait.

Yes, I was very frustrated with that, too. After all I did for them, they're going to strip me of the force?! Then when Kreia hands them their keesters on a plate, I realized that ALL of the Jedi were now going to come from me (since Atris has fallen)... Pretty weighty when you stop to consider... One of my Padawans' Padawans' Padawans (etc...) will train Yoda... Hrm. I'm a goody little two-shoes lightsider if you haven't guessed... Lightside... Darkside... I'm the guy with the lightsaber...

I liked the planets in KOTORII. Even the ones that were co-opted from KOTORI seemed to be well put together. None can match the spectacle of the unknown world, but in terms of fun, I like them most of them as much as KOTOR. I didn't like Manaan or Malachor, both very tedious IMO. The big difference between the two for me was the satisfaction of watching the boss enemies take a dirt nap. Calo Nord, Malak's whacky lackey, that butt-faced Sandpeople leader, Bendak Starkiller, the Rancor, Chundaar, and Malak himself all had a satisfying crunch to their demise. In KOTORII we get Kreia (why didn't the Exile's force bond wipe him out simultaneously, BTW?), Nihilius, who didn't live up to the hype, and Atris. The first time I fought her, I had to hand in my jedi robes and LS mastery and cut her into kibble when I thought she offed my beautiful baby Brianna. Then I found out that BBB was fine... ooops, my bad. Sion was fun the second time, like spicy Thai leftovers. Otherwise, we're left with Azkul, the various and sundry bounty hunters, General Vaklu, Slusk, and many others who we just don't get the same pleasure from stomping on.

Brianna. I love the little short hair, pockets full of kick-some-ass, and those blue-grey eyes.... Mira is a very close second. Visas is definitely a great party member, but she's just not up to snuff when compared to those two... I'm not into the bee-stung lips and lack of a second character class... I felt about her like I felt about big Z in KOTOR. Forced to have along at some points and nice for variety, but not in my power party by any means.

Isn't it a little sad that we went from Terentateks and Rancors to Storm Beasts and Zakkeg? The tank droid was a great one, but I do miss some of the really tough fights from KOTOR where a simple Mandalorian gladiator was the bane of my non-jedi arse and beating him as a lvl 3 scout made me insanely happy. There were several moments of joy for me in KOTORII, but no great combats that I remember. The Darths were all easy, especially the one who eats entire planets for breakfast. Fighting the three lightsabers just reminded me of Phantasy Star Two, without the fear, but with a much better soundtrack! I wish Atris would have been harder. Spoilers, if you hadn't guessed. Don't read the first part of this post... For KOTOR III, how about a full-grown Drexl or a Krayt Dragon?! Or maybe something like the lava monster or the ice spiders from the books that were supposed to represent episodes 7,8,9? Maybe the average computer will be fast enough by the time of release that the engine will support battles of more than two dozen foes and I can finally exorcise the demons of my past and SLAUGHTER AN ENTIRE TRIBE OF THOSE EVIL, WORLD-CRUSHING EWOKS!!! They single handedly ruined the greatest movie trilogy of all time. I blame them for the production problems of KOTORII. If Lucasfilm, ltd. hadn't made such an enormous profit from the exploitation of Ewok populatrity, they might not have tried to find the next 'Ewok' for their movies and there would have been no Jar-Jar Binks. If they hadn't become so focused on profits, maybe they would have eased off Obsidian and given them enough time to make the game that we all wanted instead of the one that would be in everybody's stocking for Xmas. Not that I won't pre-order KOTORIII (I'm like someone stuck in an abusive relationship), but please let us have the full experience. Back to topic so the mods don't prune me... Favorite creature in KOTOR/KOTORII has got to be... Rancors. They were like my prom dates. They weren't cute and they didn't go down easy. After growing up with RotJedi, the Rancor was a modern day Goliath to Luke's David. Sveeeeet...