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I'm neutral to game roamnces. however, they tend to add a lot of role-playing to games though and that's always a good thing.

You have my permission.

Huh? I think its' because on the BIO baords there was a ludrcrious WAR between PC and X-BOX KOTOR fans - espciially pre PC release. I just aliugh at both sides' silliness. HAHAHAHA!

Yeha, because locking down thread sbecause of flaming and insults is sow rong. LOL Now, I personally wouldn't have made the chocie; but to say it was a 'stupid" reason to do so is just plain silly.

ReallY? Link please.

Can't kill me that easy. You are not TNO.

I apologize. It's my fault.

LOL Or they could do what BIo did with SOU. Tell peopel the cap is level 20; but they'd probably wouldn't get higher than level 13, or 14 which is true. It's not about pretending; it's baout not having an arbitrary xp cap at all. Le'ts go with your premise that levelling *is* important to role-playing. That just makes the KOTOR scenario worst. Why? Because you reach the cap before end game. Menaing, according to you, you arne't finished the game but one of the important elements of 'role-playing' is now taken away from you. LOL i coudl live with a cap if there is real logical reason to reach it. It's not my preferred style; but I've lived with it in multiple games so i think i can survive another game with a cap. LOL

"you are a legendary figure of incredible historical significance." You don't need to be 20th level to be that. Or 10th, or 5th, or even 1st. Like i said, level has nothing to do with role-playing. It has to do with character development. two completely different things. I dunno. Casual gamers were find with SOU depsite not being able to reach the level cap there. They were fine with HOTU though they could get nowhere near level 40. They weren't fine with KOTOR's xp cap though. Why? Because you reach it before the end. That is wrong. It's real funny you say my game swould fail commerically yet elsehwere I'ma ccused to accepting the pandering of the masses. i wish both sides would get their heads togetehr so I know exactly how I am. Confiusiong soemtime when I'm referred to two opposite things. Weird stuff. Funny things i you forget I'm discussing my ideal idea. Who's to say i couldn't compromise on a reasonable xp cap if asked to if I were actually trying to make money? LOL Besides, not to be arrogant 9even though I am ); but I'd think my good dieas that people would like would outweigh things about my deisgn choices they would dislike. Just a theory I have on my avried test subjects. hehe. not that i'd ever be able to prove it eitehr way sicne I'll never be allowed such an oppurtunity. :angry: Thanks for making me sad. P.S. I'm not really sad as I'm always happy.

Or better yet have it so the xp you gain during the game gets you nowhere enar those levels to that. Besdies, if youa re so worried about Yoda's power elevl; you could always "buff" him up; noit that it would be neccessary. There would be no need to rework anything though as like I said, I'm against level caps; not limiting xp given to players. Is that really too hard to comprehend? I'd rathe rhave a game that limits me to 12th level that gives me 60 hours of play time and great roleplaying than one that lets me reach 30th level in 50 hours of game time and poor roel-playing. Change the levels around and my reaction would be the same. Role-playing and story is what truly matters not silly levels. Therefore, level limits are unneeded as they are lame.

Yes, gaining levels in BG was important but it had nothing to do with the cap; but had everything to do with the fact you actually had to 'earn' the levels and they weren't gift wrapped. It would have been better if there was no level limit in BG, you played for 100 hours, and gained 7-8 levels. That would be much more fulfilling. See, once again, the xp cap is irrelavant.

We shall see. You never know with the fools.

Shady: 1. They don't add balance. Developers add balance by crafting monsters (and other type of oppostion) to challenge the PC at the appropriate level. This is true whetehr it's a level 1 PC, level 20 PC, or level 40 PC. 2. I agree, making it more dififcult to gain levels makes them more importaat but was that really the case in KOTOR? Afterall, you gained a whooping 20 levels in 30-60 hours. LMAO 3. There should be no artifical xp cap. period. No number will do. They could make the cap 5, 10, 20, 100, 2 million; i don't care as long as there is NO chance of me artifically reaching a 'dead end". That is alme. 4. ERROR! ERROR! ERROR! ASSuming ALERT! ASSuming ALERT! That's exactly why I hate MMORPGS with apassion. They're all about leveling; not about roel-playing. to me, the numbe rof levels one gets has NOTHINg to do with the 'art" of role-playing. This is why my favorite NWN PW the max level is 13. there are plans for the cap to be extended; but I coulldn't care less. You ask why? Simple. It has the ebst role-playing on any PW I've played. In pnp, I have only played an 'epic" camapign of level 20+ characters once and it most definitely was one of my least faves. My players would laugh to ehar about youa ccusing me of ebing in love with levlling. LOL I'm accused of being far too stingy with xp. LOLOLOLOLOLOLLIPOP I've been called the Destroyer of XP. Hahaha. My whole point is that xp caps are for the weakminded. you should not need them to balance the game or to role-play. they are irrelevant one way or the other. Kefak: Good point. best point in favour of caps. hwoever, as i've argued, if the devs are as food as we claim they are they shouldn't need an xp cap to balance the game. Conclsuoon: Xp caps should either be abolished or be high enough 9whetehr the cap is 10, 20, or 50 doens't matter0 that the player should never ever worry about reaching it. Ever. if the player does fairly withotu cheating; then the dev has failed . Period.

You mean, face to face? No. But, they have apologized. They apologized to the Amerikan people for the embarrasment, the Iraqi people for the humilaition,a nd the victims for what they've been put through. Sure, it be nice if they were to apologize to them face to face; but I don't think it's neccessary. the best apology they can make is by cleaning up the mess.

Oh well. So, you think xp caps IMPROVE role-playing? How so, exactly? Who says I want level 99 as a cap? Are ya spekaing jeeberish again? I think the whole idea of caps is unimportnat because theys imply ADD nothing to the game. At all.

Huh? They both have apologized. Do you even pay attention?

That was a good post 'til the end. I think they can handle a capless game. How is that not making up my mind? They should prove it though. I want them to try to prove me wrong. You don't need a cap. Want evidence? Let's take KOTOR1. During the course of the game, you probably got enough xp to reach between the levels of 18-22 depending on what you did. Would it have really changed ANYTHING at all in the game itself if there was no level cap? i think not. Like I said it's artifical. Heck, let's take another BIO game. A game you say you reached the cap; but if you played it fairly you did not. That being HOTU. that game has a "cap" of level 40; you start it a level 15. By every single account people reache dbetween levels 24-28. See, nowhere enar the ARTIFICAL cap. Therefore, it was NOT needed. Same thing with both Fallouts espicially FO2. Or PST which technically had a cap of level 99; but realistically had none. XP/level caps add nothing to a game. What does is the dveloper making the enemies balanced for your level. "It breaks the game and you might as well be cheating since you're basically unkillable." Though; both game shave technical level caps; neither in HOTU or TOB was the player "unkillable". Why? Because the encounters were presumably balanced for the proepr levels. Period. And, when theyw eren't, it was BIo's fault for not balancing them proeprly. Once again, xp/level caps are simply unneeded. They add NOTHING to a game and therefore are a waste. edit: HuH/ My point sis leveling doesnt really make a role-playing game at all so a cap isn't needed. as long as the game is balanced for my character I'm all happy. It's you who seems to have a problem with level caps not existing. XP caps, or not is irrleavnt on how good a game is. I just think caps are useless as they add nothing. theys urely don't improve role-playing.

Argh. Don't use MMORPGS to back me up. i hate 'em. :angry:

It shouldn't matter. The cap in KOTOR1 was tooa rtifical, and reeks of fakeness. it adds nothing to the game at all.

Shady; Nonsense. How is it cheating if ther eis no level limit? Haha. See, i tricked you. i said chearters and lamers prefer level caps as they can cheat to max level (something they'd never be able to do in a non level cap game hence lessen the motivations to cheat for levels). See, a capless game limits the force a cheater can use to "cheat to win' the game. I win here. You lose here. On top of that, as far as balance goes, if Obsidianis half as good as we think they are, they should be able to handle capless games. Soemthing apparantly they nor BIo can handle at all. Too bad too.

Real Truth: The so called Shi'ite uprising led by the Cleric Sadr is not a popular one. In fact, the higher Ayatollah is against it and his followers are demanding sadr leave Najaf and his gang of thugs put down their wepaons. As for the Sunni; well it seems after the horros of Fallujah; it seems that it is not being dealt with in a much more reasonabkle manner. And, unlike the awful things committed by US forces in Vietnam, the horros of the iraqi prison ar ebeingd ealt. At least 6 people have been fired, 7 have been charged, and that's just a start. Once again, to comapre Iraq to the absolute horros of Vietnam is not doing justice to Vietnam. that, of cours,e si not to say, that iraq has its own horros toc ontedn with; but the two wars are different in so many ways it's not even funny.

The only way you can reahc the cap in PST is if you cheated or spend hours in the Under Sigil. Heck, the "cap' there was level 99; I reached maybe level 15-18 and I did most everything I could. I missed the FO1 cap by justa couple of levels; but I could see how one *could* reach the level cap there.

Shady: reallY? Tell me how in the blue blazes you reached the xp cap in SOU, or HOTU? Did you start with a character that was two levels from it to start with? As for cheating; people will cheat no matter what. In a SP game, who cares if people cheat. I surely don't. And, last i checked, KOTOR2 is strictly SP. Once again, xp caps are for cheaters and lamers who can't handle a real game.

Not a matter of need; but a matter of want, ramza. Besides, like you said, it is interetsing. As for French people, spekaing as one at least heritage wise, don't let me get started on them. :angry: