Darth Sun_Tzu

The Soviets seized power with the purported objective of creating a 'classless' society in which all people were equal and the working class and proletariat had absolute control, after the supposed 'transitionary phase' of absolute dictatorship. They were a dictatorship that pretended to hold on to power for a limited time, claiming to be preparing the way for a 'better' society. The Nazis seized power with the purported objective of absolute dictatorship, with a strict hierarchy leading up to one all-powerful leader who could make decisions quickly and efficiently, without the encumbrace of Senates and commitees and such. They seized power, and they never pretended they were ever going to give it up. Which sounds closer to the Empire? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What does it matter if it is closer? There are parallels to other regimes as well but the way ur stating ur case that is not allowed. Its like it has to be the nazis and no-one else! I just think ur over stating the importance of the similarities! As i already said only GL actually knows the truth. So well done u have spotted similarities between the Nazis and the Empire!

Yup! Also i dont think this idea would work because rpgs are about developing ur own character and taking him in the direction that u want. We already know what happens to Revan so you would not even be able to chose the light or the DS as it has to be DS. Although IMO it would be nice to learn more about how Revan fell to the DS. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> have you even played any FF games. Ok these games are hits all over the world and most of the ff games especially the best ones are completely linear. In fact they only have one ending and if i remember ff 10 and 10 2 had almost 0 sidequests except the one in ff 10 where u had the choice to kill this omega guy. so the kotor prequel would work perfectly well <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Did u even read the post properly? A game about revan b4 he fell would have to be linear because we know what happens to him. You could not choose to keep him on the LS because that would go against the story of K1.

Here is some1 who has never had sex! :D

The first post was to say the Sith may have been drawn from the Scythians. Could other totalitatian regimes serves as inspiration for the Empire, yes, but most people are agreed that GL drew much of his inspiration for the Empire from the Nazis. Just look at the way that Palpatine came to power, the military buildup that followed, it all mirrors Hitler's rise. What I fail to understand is why it seems to be so offensive to you that GL probably used the Nazis as inspiration. The Bolshiveks took over by revolution from outside of government, and Hitler from within which is exactly what Palpatine did. So yes while GL did get Palpatines name from Rome (Palatine), much of the inspiration for the Empire is from the Nazi regime, with only other small aspects being drawn from other nations (the Imperial guards red uniforms probably drawn from Roman Praetorian guard). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would not be too suprised if GL did use the nazis as inspiration. I just think you are over stating the case as they are many other Dictatorships that share similarities with Palpatine's rise to power.

Wrong again, i'm neither.

It was dutch i'm afraid!

So there are many other possible sources of inspiration, not just the nazis. Why cant u accept that alcaldemb?

Well thanks for your insightful contribution!

How about this: Communists took control first of Russia and later of many other countries. They created totalitarian dictatorships. In this form of government a small group of people seize power and take complete control of the government. Using the mass media a mass political party grows up demanding change in society. Secret police and networks of spies enable the state to smother opposition. The state takes control over all forms of expression including art, science and religion. In April 1918 the Bolshevik secret police (The Cheka) raided 26 Anarchist centres in Moscow. 40 Anarchists were killed or injured and over 500 imprisoned (3). In May the leading Anarchist publications were closed down(4). Both of these events occurred before the excuse of the outbreak of the Civil War could be used as a 'justification'. These raids occurred because the Bolsheviks were beginning to lose the arguments about the running of Russian industry. Does this sound familiar! Sounds very much like what happen during the SW saga to me! But it's nothing to do with the Nazis. Palpatine used his force abilities to suppress resistance to his progress to chancellor. Source Source 2

You're missing the forest for the trees, though. As an individual puzzle piece, it means nothing; connected, it's pretty clear. - Minions who call themselves Stormtroopers (though they had different functions in the two states; in the Empire, they're the grunt soldiers, and in the Nazi regime they were the brown-shirted thugs who beat up opponents of the Nazis prior to Hitler seizing power but never had any real military function.) - Officers in Feldgrau (Field Grey), usually associated with the World War II German army. - While the whole 'Emperor hates non-humans' thing is mostly a product of the EU, one can't help but notice that the OT's Imperial officer corps consisted entirely of white male humans. - An emphasis on 'super-weapons' to bring victory. German propaganda towards the end of the war always focused on 'wonder weapons' which were about to be rolled out which would save Germany from defeat, but which actually sapped a tremendous amount of their resources for very little practical gain; by the same token, the Empire builds one monolithic Death Star rather than god only knows how many Star Destroyers they could've built using that time and those resources only to see it disappear because of a single X-Wing fighter. Anecdotal evidence on it's own, admittedly....but seriously, I'm utterly baffled how people can deny the connections. I've certainly never heard Lucas deny it, and to me it seems patently obvious. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thank you Ivan, I really do not understand the anathema people have towards making a connection between the two. Infact since GL makes the Empire out to be a personification of evil doesn't it stand to reason that using the Nazis as a model would not be offensive to anyone. The officers uniforms, Vaders helmet, the use of black grey and brown, all are indicative of the Nazis having been an inspiration for the Empire. It is just amazing that some people continue to argue with us on what seems to be pretty clear. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dont understand why u insist on linking it to the nazis! There have been many evil regimes over the milenia that will have paralells to the empire. Why does it have to be the nazis? Because u came up with the idea?

Stealth farting! Walk past some1, drop a sly 1 to make people think it was some1 else!

K2 isn't even out yet and ur worried about K3! They have plenty of time. Chill.

Ballpark, those events happend 40 years before KOTOR1, as far as TheForce.net shows <{POST_SNAPBACK}> approx 44 years before KotOR but i mean sion dosnt exactly look like a spring chicken <{POST_SNAPBACK}> <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its all very interesting!

So that would mean has was around at the time of KotOR?

What does the 'pe' stand for?

Thats like saying 'can we have less idiots driving cars'. Every1 would agree but, try as u may, its not gonna happen! Ofcourse obsidian are gonna want to give us a game with out bugs but it is easier said than done. U should read this thread.

They just look like military uniforms! As do the Nazis, there uniforms where nothing out of the ordinary.

Exactly. I'd rather they finish up KOTOR:TSL and THEN take the time out to chat with us. I think the fact that not many of the DEVS have posted much lately indicates they're hard at work. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> U hope that is the case!

I'm just glad that this is a superficial thread because it would really bother me if you were having indepth conversations about a character that u know nothing about!

The starting level is one! Ur not the same character u were in the first game, u do know that dont u!

Your logic for Korriban is flawed seeing how Korriban was created in the comics and not by George Lucas at all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well it is more of a question about Star Wars in general and not Lucas, since I am relatively certain much of SW is drawn from history or older mythology. For example the Jedi order, outside of the seeming inability to breed, is based on the Guardians in Plato's Republic. So it occured to me that given location and geographic features of planets that the Sith might be based off of the Scythians. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would say that the jedi religion is drawn more from eastern philosiphies like Buddhism and Taoism but that is just my opinion.

We'll know when he starts one. Unless any1 happens to be a personal friend of his.

Thank you, that is my point. As i said if you can find proof that GL did use the nazis specifically then i will concede the point.

I dont remeber how long ago it was! I'm not that sad. But it was quite some time ago.

Those are just similarities, you show me where GL says he used the nazis as a base then i will shut up. PS could u please change ur sig, as it makes it difficult for me to keep down my food?