bob_the_kitty_hunter

Actually, But, I doubt that the Exile actually needs anyone near him, in fact, he probably doesn't need to make a link at all. He lost it because on the big incident with Malachor V, a bunch of people he made links with were torn from him all at once, and his soul probably tried to protect him from harm and tossed out his force connection, creating Nihilus. It's just that, he can literally radiate the force connection with others because of his special abilities.

That's a good idea, anyone know? I feel like putting together the torture scene together. *is listening to the screams that continuously loop... still* It's AWESOME!

I more or less agree with Darth Sirius. Kreia was at one point, a *MIRALUKAN* (possible, since she too has Force Sight, and has no eyes, but since neither Atton nor Visas comment on that, it might not be true) Jedi whose teaching always ended in "failure," or so the Council would see it as. She figures out early on about the True Sith, and trains Revan as an enemy against it. Revan fails, and returns to Kreia for a while, and goes on his own to the Outer Rim. Kreia in the meantime finds Malachor V, is consumed by the dark energies and changed into a Sith Lord. She brings together special Sith soldiers that grow stronger VS people with a deeper connection to the force. That was her weapon against the True Sith. However, when Nihilus arrived, and I say that Nihilus was created from the Exile's force that was torn from him, Sion, Kreia's apprentice, who was always second in her mind, sees that he is the stronger and bows to him instead. Nihilus absorbs her force powers and dethrones her, sending Kreia to waste. Kreia later comes across the Ebon Hawk, right before it becomes heavily damaged. HK-50 apparently has the Exile and drugs and drags him around. Kreia saves the Exile, puts him in the med bay, and locks up HK-50. Some blast hits the ship, Kreia falls unconcious, T3 activates and saves the ship. As time passes, Kreia develops a link with the Exile, to leech off him and regain her powers. Time passes, Kreia trains the Exile as a weapon against the True Sith, as she sees the Death of the Force through him, and killing the force would end the Sith's threat to the galaxy. The Exile fails in her eyes eventually, and she instead uses him to lure out Nihilus and Sion. The Exile kills Nihilus, so Kreia can retake her place at the academy, while setting up Atris as a test. The Exile comes in, kills Kreia and stuff, who sees that the Exile has surpassed her and rejoices, knowing that the Exile will eventually defeat the True Sith, or aid in their defeat. Then she dies.

Mother of. . .! She is old, she is ugly, and she has no eyes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Obviously. I think that the Exile and Atton made that point quite clearly in the game.

Something I found interesting when going through the cut dialogues that I could find. People have probably heard this before, but I'm not sure if it's on this topic yet. I felt like posting it because I read some stuff about people saying that the HK-50s are all coming from the Droid Planet: HK-47 Torture Scene: HK-47: Command: You will talk. HK-50: Defiant Statement: There is nothing you can do to me, do your worst. HK-50: Agonized Exclamation: *GASP* My photo receptors! MY PHOTO RECEPTORS! HK-47: Statement: I shall up the charge of your circuits the next time. Now, answer the question. HK-50: Posturing Statement: I will never talk. HK-47: Statement: Then I will have to settle for your screams. {HK-50... "performs" multiple different kinds of screams... *shudders*} HK-50: Ah, eh, ah, ooh! Ahhh... AHHHHGRH! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! (I could listen to that all day XD) Atton: That is one sick droid. HK-47: Statement: My prisoner has revealed something of interest. Allow me to share it with you. {HK-47 shows stuff} HK-47: Statement: The facility that is creating these cruder, unsophisticated versions of me is located on Telos. I propose we go there and turn it into a smoldering crater. EDIT: Also, in case you want to listen to the screaming, the directory is: ~KOTOR2Directory~\StreamVoice\003\HK47TORT\ The screaming is the last file. I just moved it around to where I thought was proper.

Get the Save Editor and you can edit the PC's model and portrait. I've recently tried it out with one of Revan's models, it's the same suit and everything, minus the face... Cause, there is no face... o_O

Possibly, but I think it's just that she's blind and taught herself how to see through the force. If she was, I'm pretty certain that Atton or Visas might've been able to see it. Of course, she might've just been manipulating them like she's obviously doing to Atton half the time, and making them think she's not a Miraluka.

*sighs* I'm not gonna bother. But I suppose you have some good points. Maybe it's best that it was cut out of the original game. But I think it would've been better if they left at least SOME of the stuff in. Like the HK VS G0-T0 scene. Also, if you have enough influence with Goto, you can get him to admit that he is indeed a droid, who was "programmed to do an impossible deed." He was given a mission that he knew was in truth to "save the Republic," which one lone fat droid can't do. It also would've given some more openings for a KOTORIII's beginning concerning some KOTORII characters. Such as you're a student at Visas/Handmaiden/some other NPC from KOTORII's new school, which would give a reason as to why you don't start off with a ton of FPs.

Indeed, beating the crap out of an old, defenseless (well, at that point she was), lady, with your fists and kicking her around, is much worse than showing a guy cutting off some other guys arm and talking about mutilating him.

Sion is a scene of explicit maiming/torture automatic M or totally cut. It's not that people die that censors object to its HOW they die that makes all the difference. People die in KOTOR its a T. People DIE in Manhunt it's an M. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But how are you SO sure that it actually SHOWS him torturing Atton? By looking at the dialogue comments of their actions, the only torturing scene is when Sion cuts off the arm and lifts Atton a few times. And since when has cutting off someone's arm or hands in a Star Wars game be something that requires an M rating. Like it says, the next scene with Atton is when it shows his mutilated body talking with the Exile, which implies there was an extensive torturing session, but does anyone see? Nope. And seeing a graphically created character all mutilated and nasteh isn't all that bad, considering that he'd probably look pretty much like Sion. You said that that scene is a scene of "explicit maiming/torture" and is an "automatic M or has to be totally cut," now, like I said, only part of the torture scene was planned to be shown. I doubt that Obsidian even planned to show the whole scene, as that would surely make the game close to an M rating. That's why they would only put the arm-cutting scene. It wouldn't get an M rating if they included it. There were other reasons for the cutting than "OMGOMGOMGOMG! It's li3k t3h g0ry! CUT IT OUT! CUT IT OUT! We'll g3t t3h M!!!!!!!"

I think it would make more sense if she was a half-Twi'lek. I mean, it makes sense doesn't it? What guy (in the Star Wars univarse) wouldn't want to screw a Twi'lek? Especially when drunk...

Just out of curiousity (since I don't have any expertise about this really), would LucasArts really throw thunderbolts if someone modded in some dialogue/scripted events, which would mostly just utilize assets already present in the game discs? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wait, Atris was supposed to be the final boss??? Hmm... what else was different in Obsidian's original intentions? Care to explain? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm guessing it was a choice between Atris and Kreia. If you were Light and saved Kreia, you got Atris, if you were dark and flipped Kreia the bird, Kreia gets PMS. Lots of things were changed. Go to the cut ending topic in the spoilers forum.

[from the end of Goto and Remote's conversation, when HK steps in] Goto: So, let us wait here, you and I, for the General's orders, and the fate of the galaxy shall wait with us. HK-47: Correction: One could rust listening to your speeches fat one. Perhaps it is the large, unwieldy vocabulator in your moon-sized frame that prevents your calculations from taking me into account. Goto: Unfortunately for you, I have arranged for friends to meet me here. And you seem to have brought none of your own. [HK-50s enter, I suppose] HK-47: Statement: As always, fat one, you have miscalculated. And while I find this small droid annoying to the extreme, I find my urge to shoot you takes a higher priority. [HK-47 approaches Goto] Goto: Stop him. HK-50: Unexpected Correction: We cannot harm that unit. It is a violation of our self-preservation programming. Goto: Stop him. HK-50: Unexpected Correction: We are not here to aid you. We are here because our predecessor unit summoned. Goto: Aha, an unfortunate oversight. All I wished, was to fulfill my programming. Either way... *voice begins to die* the Republic... is... doomed... HK-47: Observation: I thought he would never die. [some other scene that is included in this folder] HK-47: Statement: I hear and obey. Goto: Hmmm. This HK unit is old, but it has its certain charm, in its obedience to. I shall have to remember some of his traits when I build future generations from his schematics. HK-47: Query: What am I doing here? What has happened? HK-47: Statement: I understand, assassination protocols activated. Let us see what you have in your arsenal fat one. HK-47: Statement: Come out little one. I promise I will let you quickly without a single lingering charge remaining in your behavior core. HK-47: Statement: Hiding from me is useless, I will find you eventually. You only delay the inevitable. Conclusion: I'm guessing that the second part was when Goto came across HK the first time, who activated his assassin protocols and tried to kill Goto, who escaped. After some time, HK saw Goto again and decided that he is to die, just not at that moment. On Malachor V, he saw his chance.

make your time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> WHAT YOU SAY?

The line where HK makes fun of Carth (someone posted it) and makes fun of Bastila if Revan is male and evil, I think. Something like: "Oh master, I hate and despise everything you do. But I love you so much, so lets lock our pus-filled lips together and share our saliva."

There's already a topic a lot like this, like, right next to this one.

*gags* You whore! Hutts with lightsabers... *shudders* Maybe it's just me and my mind... but...

T3-M4: Beep-beep! Bee-do-weet-boo-wop! Bee-bee-bo-bu-bee-wa! HK-47: (Frightened answer) You're going to do what to my mother?! (Exile walks by the ****pit door) Atton: It won't fit! What the hell?! Disciple: Keep trying! It's almost through! Exile: o_O Atton: Stupid nails! Exile: >XD I've gotta see this! *takes a picture of Atton trying to hammer a nail into a wooden board* Damn... Atton: Oh gawd! You're hideous! I can't believe I thought you might've been hawt before! Kreia: *mind trick* I AM hawt, fool. Now, get me that Dancer's Outfit with your stealthiness. Bao-dur: My mother was a tree. T3: Beep-beep! BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP! Remote: *cries* HK: (Query) Do you have any 3's, you fat, overgrown, stupid little droid? Goto: **** you. Visas: *looking towards Hanharr* I must look at you! The way Handmaiden sees you! Handmaiden: What'd you say you ho?! Wanna take this outside you Miraluka ****?! Mira: No, Hanharr, I'm not going to be your sex slave again. Hanharr: Grah... Mandalore: ...wow... Exile: Have any of you noticed that every planet we go to, we ALWAYS seem to be forced into going almost one exact way? I mean, seriously! How linear can one guy's life be? Kreia: Of all the damn... YOU NOTICED THAT YET YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED THAT I'M A ****ING SITH LORD?! I'VE GIVEN YOU ALL THE CLUES! BUT NOOOOOOO.... You know what? **** you. I'm going to dance for Vogga tonight, so screw you guys, I'm goin' home! *awkward silence* Exile: >_>;; Ewww...

For Handmaiden: Beat her 3 times in a sparring match, say the right stuff. Atton: Get enough influence, go to the refugee sector on Nar Shaddaa. At one area, two Twi'leks will sell you information about Atton. Talk to him about it, follow the stuff, and he'll eventually let you train him.

The HKs of course. Now, from listening to a cut scene, after Goto and Remote confront with one another, with HK-47 (with his new friends, who happen to be his clone) saving Remote and deactivating Goto, I'd have to say that I expect for KOTOR3, at least ONE scene with HK-47 leading his clones off to kill a bunch of random meatbags.

You arrive at the Ravager and begin to plant the bombs. When it comes to the point where one of the bombs prematurely explode, Mandalore states that he alone will find the bomb and plant it himself, and you and Visas leave towards Nihilus, telling Mandalore to meet back at the Ebon Hawk when he's done. When you arrive at the entrance to the second level of the Ravager, a cutscene ensues. Mandalore finishes up the last bomb and begins to run back towards the Ebon Hawk, suddenly, he collapses to the floor, and looks up at Nihilus. Completely stunned by the force, he screams out, and the game returns to the Exile and Visas. Upon entering the bridge, you're faced by a large number of Sith soldiers, whom the Exile quickly takes out using the force. The Exile and Visas go through one last door to see Nihilus staring at a figure, stapled onto the wall. An unhelmeted Canderous, glares back at Nihilus, barely. Using the force, Nihilus picks up a vibroblade from a set laying on a table, and throws it at Mandalore, piercing his arm. Nihilus picks up another one, but is stopped by the Exile and Visas. The Sith Lord merely glares at Visas and breaks her. As she collapses to the ground, the Exile will tell her to leave Nihilus to him, and have her help Mandalore, with some obvious Dark/Light choices. If you're Light, Nihilus will simply try to drain you of your force, but fail, and take the damage instead, if you're Dark, both of you will try to drain each other, both failing, but Nihilus taking the damage. And so a fight ensues, and if you are victor, you walk over to him and kick him body, when it suddenly is lost to the force. You pick up his mask and wear it (if you're dark) or crush it (if you're light). Whatever you do, you'll suddenly be consumed by Nihilus' energies, and are revealed that Nihilus is the force that was taken from you. Either way, you overcome it, and become stronger with the force. Mandalore leaves to Dxun, and you and the rest of your cast leave to Malachor. At Malachor, you are the only one you can see, and begin to make your journey to Trayus Academy. On the way, if you have Mira, the scene will move to Mira fighting Hanharr, and if Mira wins, she gets to speak with Darth Traya, who drains her of her life force and carries her away. If you had Hanharr, you'll temporarily meet up with him. As you leave, not one, but a swarm of those bigger beasts attacks. Hanharr decides to take them all at once, and sends you off on your way. The scene cuts to Remote who is floating around, and looks down at Bao-dur's crushed body, and the hologram activates and you do Remote's little journey. Only, when it comes to G0-T0 vs Remote, HK-47 steps in, and Goto summons up his HK-50s, who turns on him and sides with 47, and they deactivate Goto. Remote stays there and HK-47 and his friends leave to aid the Exile. The scene switches to T3, who awakes on the crushed Ebon Hawk. As you go around and explore the ship, you notice that everyone except Bao-dur's corpse is gone. Suddenly, the Ebon Hawk falls down the pit, and you have a certain amount of unpaused time to fix up the Ebon Hawk, before you die. At the end, if you are successful, a scene ensues, showing the Ebon Hawk barely making it out, and heading towards the area below Trayus Academy. You return to the Exile and go through to Trayus Academy, stopping up at a hill where you can see Hanharr (if you had him), surrounded by a good deal of the Greater Storm Beast carcasses, as he takes down the last two, dying with them. (this explains why if you had him, the Exile can't ask about him at the end) When you reach the academy, if you're male, you watch a cutscene where an insane Handmaiden attacks Visas, and while they're about to kill each other, Sion steps in, and the torturing ensues. If you're female, same thing, except with Atton and the Disciple. And Atton attacks first. You go on, fight Sion, who is standing next to the bodies of the two people he felt like torturing, you kill him. Help them up, and go towards Traya. You see Traya, have a discussion, and if you're male, Atton approaches you, and if you're female, Visas does. You fight your corrupted ally and defeat them, bringing them back to focus. You then fight Traya, and after you defeat her, she collapses and is barely breathing. Suddenly, you hear a strange, yet familiar voice from behind. You turn and see Atris, with grey, dead skin, all dressed in black. She pulls out your old lightsaber, and claims that she's the true Darth Traya. You fight her, and defeat her, and you either kick her into the core, or she falls back into there, depending on whether you're dark or light. Then you and Kreia have some last few words (the basic dialogue of the endings, you don't know that Bao-dur is dead yet, neither does she) and she jumps/is kicked into the core, when suddenly, the Sith start to swarm in, but are suddenly shot down, one by one, as the Ebon Hawk rises. You, Visas, Atton, Disciple/Handmaiden, all get on the Ebon Hawk, as all of the remaining HK-50s jump out, led by HK-47, and you watch a scene of a bunch of evil assassin droids VS a bunch of evil assassin sith. In the end, the HKs, more or less win, and they force their original onto the ship, against his orders. As the last remaining HKs and Sith fight, Remote sets off the Mass Shadow Generator. On the ship, Handmaiden/Disciple request to return to Telos/Dantooine, claiming that they will begin to train Jedi/Sith for the battles to come. You find Mira in the med bay, if you had her. Mira goes to Nar Shaddaa and meditates there. Atton and Visas insist on going with you, but you say "NEIN!" and Atton returns to traveling the galaxy, honing his newly gained force powers, and Visas returns to Katarr, to meditate on things. You, T3, and HK go off to the Outer Rim, but HK insists that they stop at a certain place. HK gets off and begins to build an army of HK-50s, at the factory, insisting that he'll use them to help you later on, but he has other plans. (Increasingly Happy Tone: World domination! Meatbags!) And so, you and T3 go off to the Outer Rim... End Results of the Party: Exile: Off to the Outer Rim with T3. T3: Off to the Outer Rim with the Exile. Kreia: Dead! Atton: Traveling the galaxy, again, only this time, honing his force powers that he gained from you. Bao-dur: Dead. Remote: Boom! With Malachor. Bryanna Handmaiden: At Telos academy, to either (A) Murder her sisters and start up a school for the Sith or (B) Use t3h force to trick her sisters into allowing the school to become an ACTUAL school for Jedi. Disciple: Rebuilding the Jedi Enclave at Dantooine, and tainting it/healing it with the force. Mira: Back at Nar Shaddaa, honing her mad Jedi skillz, to make money more easily. Hanharr: Deadz0rrz. HK-47: At the HK factory, building an army to aid Revan and the Exile, as well as for more, personal uses. Goto: Deactivated by HKs, then blown apart with Malachor. Mandalore: Back and Dxun, licking his wounds and preparing the Mandalorians for the battles to come, ready to aid Revan/the Exile.

The Jesus face r0xx0rz my b0xx0rz. *makes a new game and pulls up KSE* I wonder if he'll grow horns.

Err, uh... Well, since the argument was partially about: OMGOMGOMGOMG! You l0sars! Atton cewd t0t4lly kixx0rz Sion's arse! I somehow doubt that. Sion is supposedly unkillable. The Exile was only able to kill him because he/she broke down his will, or something, then convinced him to die at the end. The Exile made Sion want to die, somewhat. I doubt Atton could even think of that or would even affect Sion in such a way. Sion knew that what the Exile was saying was more or less true, and knew that the Exile was plenty strong. Atton, well, as we can see from the cut dialogue, Sion thinks of Atton as a fool and wouldn't give a damn about his words, really. Even IF you fought Sion as Atton, even IF you killed him, he would just keep coming back till Atton dies or to some point where Sion gets tired of fighting and such force crushes or force storms Atton or something. Besides, happy endings are boring. :/ EDIT: Also, like Msxyz has said, that was only one of the many things cut out. You could just leave that out, but all the other things would more or less fit and make sense.