Meshugger

Okay, I really have to ask. Have you actually read any of the links you posted? I don't need to refute your sources, because your sources don't back your points! Let's see, factual errors first, politics later. Nearly four in every five (79 %) asylum seekers in the EU-28 in 2014 were aged less than 35 (see Table 3); those aged 18–34 accounted for slightly more than half (54 %) of the total number of applicants, while minors aged less than 18 accounted for one quarter (26 %). — Yep, clearly 3/4 of them are men in their best fighting age. (men aged 18-34 actually amount to ~41%) Out of the 185k first-time asylum seekers in Q1 2015, 26% were Kosovars, 16% Syrians, Afghans amounting to 7%. Those of Maghrebi (North African) origin are a negligible fraction at best — Yep, clearly about half of them are North African or Arab. In 2014, close to half (45 %) of EU-28 first instance asylum decisions resulted in positive outcomes, that is grants of refugee or subsidiary protection status, or an authorisation to stay for humanitarian reasons [...] This share was considerably lower (18 %) for final decisions (based on appeal or review) / At the end of March 2015, around 530,000 persons were the subject of an application for asylum protection in the EU still under consideration by the responsible national authority — Yep, clearly everyone (well mostly everyone) is welcomed in Europe. In most regions, fewer favor other specific aspects of sharia, such as cutting off the hands of thieves and executing people who convert from Islam to another faith. [...] While many say there is only one true interpretation, substantial percentages in most countries either say there are multiple interpretations or say they do not know. [...] By contrast, only a minority of Muslims across Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe want sharia to be the official law of the land. [...] Among Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims. [...] In Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe, relatively few Muslims who back sharia support severe criminal punishments. [...] Muslims in Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe are generally less likely to support stoning adulterers. [...] Elsewhere in the two regions, fewer than four-in-ten favor this type of punishment, including roughly a quarter or fewer across the countries surveyed in Southern and Eastern Europe. [...] In Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe, only in Tajikistan (22%) do more than a fifth of Muslims who want sharia as the official law of the land also condone the execution of apostates. — Yep, clearly executing apostates and non-Muslims and conducting female genital amputation is morally paramount. And you ask me why I'm so hostile? Well, you should well know: "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." Seriously, if you try to flood me with a bunch of irrelevant or misleading links again, I'm just going to reply by posting a ton of cat memes. I do have a lot of free time — that doesn't mean you get to waste it. Now: Yes. Or we could also look at the rape of Polish and Soviet women by Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS members, the rape of German women by RKKA members, the Rape of Nanking, the rape rate in Detroit in '85 and so on and so forth, to see why "the increase in sex crimes in Germany is being fueled by the preponderance of Muslim males among the mix of refugees/migrants entering the country" is total bull****. It's not about Muslims as much as it is about a bunch of other factors such as a complete breakdown of the rule of law, absence of repercussions, dismal living conditions and hopelessness. A bit of сum hoc ergo propter hoc never hurt anyone, right? Now, for some quick fun, let's try a little thought experiment. Let's take Marseille, which ZeroHedge claims has the highest Muslim ratio of any city in Europe, and go with a worst-case scenario: 35% are already Muslims. Now we dump the whole of France's refugee quota (30k) in there. The Muslim percentage goes up from 35% to a whopping... 38%!!! OMFG!!! Clearly, this scheme is going to "radically change the entire demographics in Europe". If you want me to find links to prove that refugees fleeing from IS and Boko Haram who are granted asylum in Europe will not be raped en masse and murdered by IS and Boko Haram, well, yes, I don't have any. I also don't have any links proving that water is wet and rope is useful for pulling but not for pushing, so please don't ask. I still believe however that we have an immediate moral mandate to at least give people whose countries we're complicit of turning into hellholes a chance to request asylum. I haven't argued for accepting everyone no matter what, because nobody is proposing that. I'm just calling bull**** on your doomsaying. Europe and "the West" at large is much more likely to fall due to to dumbass westerners more worried about their level 100 Pikachu than the fact that their government murders abroad in their name, and who are incapable of thinking for themselves, of even understanding what the freedoms earned by their forebears entail (let alone standing up for them), than to hordes of Muslim refugee-rapists. No, I don't have evidence that absorption of unskilled and uneducated foreigners is positive from a socioeconomic standpoint, and to be honest, I don't believe it is. However, I'm of the opinion that moral imperatives must overrule macroeconomic arguments. And by the way: being an able-bodied male does not mean you are generally obligated to fight in any war. Especially not in those you haven't had a hand in causing. Removing potential manpower reserves from war-torn areas is a good thing, I should think. Alrighty then, i finally have the time to answer this. I have been quite busy with working on my next heart-break, and i have some spare time now. I will answer by points instead of quoting everything separately for everyone's viewing pleasure. 1. The first link is moot, because those stats rely on the events before Frau Merkel declared "All Syrians welcome, no questions asked!". 2. All Kosovars except maybe 4 or 5 were declined due to reasons of them not being persecuted in their home country. By the same rules, almost none of the current refugees would be allowed in any way. 3. With expectations of 1,5 million to Germany alone for 2015, i do not even know they will be able to process anything at all. 4. Too bad there are hardly any muslim refugees from Central Asia or south eastern Europe. Check the stats for those coming from Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan. Those are atleast overwhelming majority of sudden refugees. Take for example Denmark having problem with these new values, where 80% danish muslims do not agree upon the foundations of Danish society (link: 35:20-36:10). I agree with the Danish Minister btw.5. Lets not compare rapes in war-time, where it was unofficially sanctioned as a way of warfare, to civilian life in Germany. 6. About Marseille, the native population is already dwindling no matter what. Replacing them with refugees is not a sustainable long term solution. Besides, I am not pointing out the current amount of refugees this year alone, but the current trend and long term development. I do need to remind you have bad it is in the banlieues and about the reactions after the Charlie Hebdo-attack. 7. Of course will the West is it's own worst enemy, combining the welfare-state, low native birth rates and mass immigration will be the implosion of respective own countries making. The open borders are just a symptom. I wouldn't be surprised if almost every country is taking out loans (bond selling) from international banks in order to pay for this. (Paging KP for this) 8. Fair enough. I just hope that i am wrong (nothing happens, future is bright, people get together and embrace liberal values of self determination) and that you're not. If you're wrong about the future prospects, then we have several civil wars on our way, moral imperatives or not. 9. Disagree on being able-bodied and not fighting. I have no interest in harboring cowards and deserters in my midst. Of course there are exceptions and that's why there should be a thorough background check to see if there are any mitigating circumstances.

We do not talk about them

Broteam's response: https://twitter.com/BroTeamPill/status/648630102306234368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Edit: Owen is now just straight up cussing at devs that didn't like his book. I guess Ken Levine was a bit too high-profile for him to call a ****head though. Adrian is fighting the good fight.

Well, none of the people on the UN panel or the documents that they referenced to had any CV to speak of either and here we are.

Mr. Chu, why do you hate freedom?

That's understandable, but numbersman did so himself to begin with. I was quite happy that he finally replied.

Okay, I really have to ask. Have you actually read any of the links you posted? I don't need to refute your sources, because your sources don't back your points! Let's see, factual errors first, politics later. Nearly four in every five (79 %) asylum seekers in the EU-28 in 2014 were aged less than 35 (see Table 3); those aged 18–34 accounted for slightly more than half (54 %) of the total number of applicants, while minors aged less than 18 accounted for one quarter (26 %). — Yep, clearly 3/4 of them are men in their best fighting age. (men aged 18-34 actually amount to ~41%) Out of the 185k first-time asylum seekers in Q1 2015, 26% were Kosovars, 16% Syrians, Afghans amounting to 7%. Those of Maghrebi (North African) origin are a negligible fraction at best — Yep, clearly about half of them are North African or Arab. In 2014, close to half (45 %) of EU-28 first instance asylum decisions resulted in positive outcomes, that is grants of refugee or subsidiary protection status, or an authorisation to stay for humanitarian reasons [...] This share was considerably lower (18 %) for final decisions (based on appeal or review) / At the end of March 2015, around 530,000 persons were the subject of an application for asylum protection in the EU still under consideration by the responsible national authority — Yep, clearly everyone (well mostly everyone) is welcomed in Europe. In most regions, fewer favor other specific aspects of sharia, such as cutting off the hands of thieves and executing people who convert from Islam to another faith. [...] While many say there is only one true interpretation, substantial percentages in most countries either say there are multiple interpretations or say they do not know. [...] By contrast, only a minority of Muslims across Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe want sharia to be the official law of the land. [...] Among Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims. [...] In Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe, relatively few Muslims who back sharia support severe criminal punishments. [...] Muslims in Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe are generally less likely to support stoning adulterers. [...] Elsewhere in the two regions, fewer than four-in-ten favor this type of punishment, including roughly a quarter or fewer across the countries surveyed in Southern and Eastern Europe. [...] In Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe, only in Tajikistan (22%) do more than a fifth of Muslims who want sharia as the official law of the land also condone the execution of apostates. — Yep, clearly executing apostates and non-Muslims and conducting female genital amputation is morally paramount. And you ask me why I'm so hostile? Well, you should well know: "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." Seriously, if you try to flood me with a bunch of irrelevant or misleading links again, I'm just going to reply by posting a ton of cat memes. I do have a lot of free time — that doesn't mean you get to waste it. Now: Yes. Or we could also look at the rape of Polish and Soviet women by Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS members, the rape of German women by RKKA members, the Rape of Nanking, the rape rate in Detroit in '85 and so on and so forth, to see why "the increase in sex crimes in Germany is being fueled by the preponderance of Muslim males among the mix of refugees/migrants entering the country" is total bull****. It's not about Muslims as much as it is about a bunch of other factors such as a complete breakdown of the rule of law, absence of repercussions, dismal living conditions and hopelessness. A bit of сum hoc ergo propter hoc never hurt anyone, right? Now, for some quick fun, let's try a little thought experiment. Let's take Marseille, which ZeroHedge claims has the highest Muslim ratio of any city in Europe, and go with a worst-case scenario: 35% are already Muslims. Now we dump the whole of France's refugee quota (30k) in there. The Muslim percentage goes up from 35% to a whopping... 38%!!! OMFG!!! Clearly, this scheme is going to "radically change the entire demographics in Europe". If you want me to find links to prove that refugees fleeing from IS and Boko Haram who are granted asylum in Europe will not be raped en masse and murdered by IS and Boko Haram, well, yes, I don't have any. I also don't have any links proving that water is wet and rope is useful for pulling but not for pushing, so please don't ask. I still believe however that we have an immediate moral mandate to at least give people whose countries we're complicit of turning into hellholes a chance to request asylum. I haven't argued for accepting everyone no matter what, because nobody is proposing that. I'm just calling bull**** on your doomsaying. Europe and "the West" at large is much more likely to fall due to to dumbass westerners more worried about their level 100 Pikachu than the fact that their government murders abroad in their name, and who are incapable of thinking for themselves, of even understanding what the freedoms earned by their forebears entail (let alone standing up for them), than to hordes of Muslim refugee-rapists. No, I don't have evidence that absorption of unskilled and uneducated foreigners is positive from a socioeconomic standpoint, and to be honest, I don't believe it is. However, I'm of the opinion that moral imperatives must overrule macroeconomic arguments. And by the way: being an able-bodied male does not mean you are generally obligated to fight in any war. Especially not in those you haven't had a hand in causing. Removing potential manpower reserves from war-torn areas is a good thing, I should think. Ah, too little time can cause quite the stress, i know the feeling. I of course disagree with everything you said and i will answer when i have the time as well, in a polite manner. Cheerio!

Why do you need to celebrate it in order to condone it? And neither side seems willing to do anything about those who will attack the other side so they are, at least through inaction, condoning it. GG has been against harassment since the beginning, they even tracked down the guy who made bomb threats to Anita in Brazil and offered her information on how to press charges. What has happened since then, only Anita knows. Or the numerous time Brianna Wu has been doxxed on /gg/ at 8chan and users willingly reporting to the mods to delete the info? aGG has been quite proud about trying to people get fired for being part of GG, tried to shut down 8chan permanently, tried to falsify that 8chan hosted child porn, they shut down pretty much all the discussion of GG in most places (4chan, reddit, etc), falsingly claiming that GG are racists, misogynists, rapists and everything that is bad in this world. So who here is being unreasonable? who here wants to give anyone a chance to speak? who wants to silence everyone? who wants control and who wants just to be left alone and play games?

Wat lol Alright i have to take it on that one. But really GG has silenced no one, unless you buy into aGG's narrative that mocking is harassment.

Wat

Topical: http://observer.com/2015/09/the-real-reason-we-need-to-stop-trying-to-protect-everyones-feelings/

ISIS stands for Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, so I'm still not sure what your point is about Iraqis. It's definitely a war torn country. Although I'm surprised to hear there are waves of Afghanis. My point still stands, what was expected was Syrian women and children, not Iraqi men able to fight in their home country.

Wait, what? Did you forget to take your meds this morning? Meshugger said it was a "war between good and evil"1 in response to my call for calm, rational discussion and a move for both sides to call out the ****-stirrers who have no interest in anything but furthering arguments for lewls. So just trying to see how war-like this war between good and evil for the soul of art is. Because it seems like so far both sides are okay with at least phoning in bomb threats to places the other side is speaking at (or to their own so they can blame the opposite side). Since when has GG celebrated harassment or violence in any way? The war-statement is a metaphor for winning, you know, like you tend to do in video-games. Besides, there's no virtue in moderation of censoring creativity, or as you might have noticed with the latest talks at the UN, it's about preserving freedom of expression.

lol what

Dude, it's war between good and evil. Games, art, comic books, movies and freedom of expression should never have to justify it's existence.

Because the media (state and private) have portrayed it about thousands of families (pictured as women and children) from Syria are coming, that we all need to help, and subsequently we have had charities with childrens clothes, books, and toys. We established a huge network of refugee centers, built an infrastructure and reserved houses and renovated them for Syrian families....when in reality it is well-dressed, happy Iraqi and Afghani men in fighting age that have a lot of money. Elerond already linked about people turning back because the lack bars and the weather, which leaves people feeling quite duped. The cracks are already showing when the minister of interior is already calling for renegotitation of the quotas with other nordic countries. Well it hasn't exactly been a secret that there will also be refugees from other war torn countries, like Afghanistan and Iraq. These would be accepted in the EU but economic migrants wouldn't be So I'm not sure how Finland can say this was a complete surprise ? Iraq and Afghanistan were not part of the deal, we expected Syrians. All the rest can be considered as invading settlers and should be sent back unless they face prosecution for reasons earlier mentioned.

No men of fighting age should be let in by principle. Exceptions of course if they are gay, of any religious minority or 50+ in age.

Because the media (state and private) have portrayed it about thousands of families (pictured as women and children) from Syria are coming, that we all need to help, and subsequently we have had charities with childrens clothes, books, and toys. We established a huge network of refugee centers, built an infrastructure and reserved houses and renovated them for Syrian families....when in reality it is well-dressed, happy Iraqi and Afghani men in fighting age that have a lot of money. Elerond already linked about people turning back because the lack bars and the weather, which leaves people feeling quite duped. The cracks are already showing when the minister of interior is already calling for renegotitation of the quotas with other nordic countries.

A local paper mentioned that Finland has recieved 16000 asylumseekers this year, where 70% were from Iraq. Only about 400-500 are from Syria. This is getting embarresing.

Oh, and one more (extra eyecandy to boot, sweet lord those milkjugs)

Videotyme about the recent events:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/nothing-but-opportunism-criminals-isil-sympathizers-and-pretenders-are-entering-europe-posing-as-syrian-refugees ...all while Soros wishes for the EU to take 1 million per year perpetually and pay with borrowed money: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-27/george-soros-demands-eu-accept-1-million-refugees-costing-%E2%82%AC15-billion-year-foreseeab I hope for a long, cold winter.

While you guys are trying to figure out the etymology of 'conservative', there are some funnies to be had:

The guy is the modern court jester, sometimes you just can't help yourself from loving him (no homo).