Meshugger

Who is Oby? i have a lot of pictures and videos on my Facebook, no need to show them here lol, i do not believe you for one bit. Feel free to PM if you're a bit prude about it.

Oh, i do not care about politics surrounding propaganda, mememagick or whatnot in this case. But i do know that women love feeling sexy, being lusted for and getting the attention from it. "Empowering" as some feminists are calling it, when it is the rush of being desirable by a man. So cards are on the table; either you deliver or I am going to continue to think that you're Oby's alter-ego.

I could use a sexy picture and that could change your mind maybe........ Go right ahead.

But Meshugger I am looking for your realistic suggestions around how to reduce the likelihood of extremists infiltrating the EU pretending to be refugees Would you really send back all current refugees who are now in Europe since Germany said they should be welcomed? Do you not think this is unrealistic and will seen as a humanitarian crisis All the EU can do going forward is have stricter screening policies and better assessments of people coming into the EU...thats what the article alludes to Let me give you some perspective here on what is realistic and "realistic". There was only one thing that Stalin truly feared, and that was the power of the human spirit, as he himself was a testament on what will alone could accomplish. So realisticly, it is completely possible to throw out all men between 17-50 arriving as refugees in Europe during 2015. The women, children and elderly will be kept of course. The rest of the men will have their cases reviewed again with greater scrutiny. It has been accomplished before with little manpower: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback But that's not what you are talking about. You are talking about "realistic". Meaning what is politically acceptable, what could have support by the establishment. Why should anyone care about what they have to say in this? Their policies are the result of this whole mess.

It seems like the ringleader was also able to sneak into Europe diguised as a refugee, all while Europol estimate that between 2000 to 5000 ISIS jihadists are now missing somewhere on the continent. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12006622/Paris-attacks-every-migrant-and-tourist-to-be-screened-as-EU-races-to-secure-borders.html Well, one has at least been caught in Sweden so far. Thank you for this, Mutti Merkel. I fully expect you to commit Seppuku in order to restore your honor after your folly. Then send all "refugee" males aged 17-50 back to where they came from. We will keep your women & children until you have peace in your home countries.

We replaced the British in U-571 about the capture of the Enigma machine in WWII, I don't think fidelity in film to history has ever been our strong point... wasn't it technically some Polish guys that cracked initial code and smuggled captured device? That was the initial version. Turing came in to the picture when the next version proved to difficult to crack.

It implies nothing. You can be a patriot and want to have nothing to do with nationalism. Or, as somebody so succintly put it once: "I like my country. I have occasionally wanted to kill everyone in it and burn it to the ground, but I consider that feeling a necessary part of patriotism. If you have never actually hated your country, then you probably don't understand your country. Therefore your love for it has little meaning." lol. Like that has to do with whole functioning nations. Carry on.

Oby, pls stahp. It's not funny anymore.

...and as usual, the EU tackles the problem behind ISIS in Europe. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6110_en.htm Either dumb ****, evil **** or both. But they are ****.

Good news, everyone! They got the bastard: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12004756/Paris-attacks-Abdelhamid-Abaaoud-police-France-terrorist-Islamic-State-flight-live.html Abdelhamid-Abaaoud may be dead, but now comes the tricky part on how on earth did he get back to europe, how did he organize it, and how did he allocate the resources for the logistics required.

Implying that every the foundation of any civilization is meaningless, heritage meaning nothing and cohesion of a society is not based common virtues and values of it's people. National identity as we understand it hasn't really been a thing for much of human history. Implying that a rejection of nationalism is synonymous with a rejection of the basic building blocks of society is woefully ignorant at best, and outright manipulative at worst. Your claim, prove it. //EDIT: Wait, what am i quoting here? Did you edit your post? //EDIT2: nvm As you should prove your claim to be fair. Saying that nationalism is needed for social cohesion sounds a lot like saying religion is needed for morality. I could go into how while humans have a drive to join together on the small scale like you said it doesn't really work on the large scale, the history of it such as how England and France would go to war despite the fact that their leaders had more in common with each other than they did with their people (the nobility of England being Norman after all), and the definition of just what nationalism actually means but I am at work at the moment so don't have the time unfortunately so will hope someone else will and instead post this poem that I feel is apt to this situation both in our conversation and what is going on in the world: Bent double, like old beggars under sacks, Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge, Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs, And towards our distant rest began to trudge. Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots, But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind; Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots Of gas-shells dropping softly behind. Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time, But someone still was yelling out and stumbling And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.— Dim through the misty panes and thick green light, As under a green sea, I saw him drowning. In all my dreams before my helpless sight, He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning. If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace Behind the wagon that we flung him in, And watch the white eyes writhing in his face, His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin; If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,— My friend, you would not tell with such high zest To children ardent for some desperate glory, The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori. The argument was that all cultures have done nasty things, they're built on lies and nationalism is BS, of which one can easily see what it implies, which in turn i called you out on. What's the alternative based on those presumptions? Socialism? lol. Globalism? lol. No matter where you look in the alternatives, it will either require a strong tyrannical leader or ethos to be enforced. Point being that it's always nationalism that's singled out as a sin, or even anything that closely resembling it, even when all other modern ideologies stemming from the enlightment with equal and if not worse, results. Nice poem though. I liked it. Your claim, prove it. What's there to prove? It's self-evident for anybody with even the most cursory history knowledge. On the other hand, I'm not really seeing much proof for your implied claim that national identity is necessary for people to have a mutual heritage and a cohesive set of values. Self-evident, my ass. If you want to deconstruct nations in modern times you better deliver.

Implying that every the foundation of any civilization is meaningless, heritage meaning nothing and cohesion of a society is not based common virtues and values of it's people. National identity as we understand it hasn't really been a thing for much of human history. Implying that a rejection of nationalism is synonymous with a rejection of the basic building blocks of society is woefully ignorant at best, and outright manipulative at worst. Your claim, prove it. //EDIT: Wait, what am i quoting here? Did you edit your post? //EDIT2: nvm

You need to accept that your culture is just as horrible and nasty as everyone elses in the world, that it was based on lies, and that at the end of the day Nationalism is Bull****. Implying that every the foundation of any civilization is meaningless, heritage meaning nothing and cohesion of a society is not based common virtues and values of it's people. Trololol0000l. Meanwhile, this Abdelhamid Abaaoud-guy seems to be quite the spectre, he cannot be confirmed being Saint-Denis as of yet and how did he ever get unnoticed to France? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12004462/paris-attacks-france-belgium-security-services.html

I am awaiting the "For whom the Bell Tolls" of our generation, inspired by the events surrounding GG.

Of all the people on this forum, I think you have the least right to lambast others for their kooky conspiracy theories Boo, be funnier!

Let me guess: Jews, right?

This thread is now about ethics in terrorist coverage.

What about the leader (Abdelhamid Abaaoud) who was supposed to be in Syria but somehow was now in Paris? Did they get him alive?

"Your honor. The defence would like to point out that the prosecuted, the woman on the stand, was a sexual predator who preyed on the innocence of the victims. Due to her advances they lost themselves into complete barbaric viciousness and had no choice to do what they did. Also, the defence would like to point out that their extended families can vouch for this not the first time that the defendant has conducted herself in such a improper manner and have quite done in the past." "Those poor boys, they didn't want to, but she made them rape-thirsty. The defence is acquitted at once!"

The key to understand non-western behaviour and shaming. It's always the victim's fault for provoking the attacker. Kinda like it's always the woman's fault for being gangraped.

Well yeah. (1) Football fans are unusually nationalistic- their entire reason for being is cheering their country, after all- and (2) there weren't much in the way of minutes silence for the dead Turks, dead Russians and dead Lebanese we've seen in similar circumstances in the last few weeks, indeed more than a few people thought it was more or less OK because they were Commie Turks/ Kurds, Hezbollah sympathisers or Russians. Philip Hammond, British Foreign Secretary even suggested (with slight paraphrasing) that at least the airline bombing imposed a price on Russia for intervening in Syria, god knows the reaction if Lavrov said the same about the Paris attacks and French intervention in Syria... Complaining about others not caring enough is always a problematic approach, as you can pretty much guarantee there's a bigger entry in the tragedy olympics out there that the complainer doesn't care enough about. Sadly, 129 people dying is pretty much Monday-Sunday in Syria, as a direct example. Nah, they were just incredible **** fairly deserving a good beating.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18605/breaking-the-taboos-in-the-wake-of-paris-attacks-the-left-must-embrace-its Oh Zizek, you glorious bastard.

IGN atleast falls under the "LOL gamezjuurnalism"-umbrella. As in they are incompetent fools, but still like gaming and games, compared to certain other ones who hate games for ideological reasons.

The more multi-cultural a country becomes, the more repressive it's corresponding government will be to it's citizens. That's the only logical end because otherwise there will be a civil war; you simply cannot force people with completely different values to like each other. Source: Me.