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Not really, economic precedent and economic reality is more important than idealistic views of " freedom " for many people You should've seen the amount of slaves begging to get jobs at their previous plantation once they were freed in the american south, turbulent times indeed.

I see it as a vote on direction: Clinton: A direction to more globalism with more movement of people from non-european countries into the US and a shrinking middle class. Directionless but at the same time very aggressive foreign policy, especially in the middle east. Government and Supreme Court candidates will be filled with nepotism, called in favours and a lot of scandals. Expect a lot of aides and advisors suffering from sudden suicidicis, headless coughing decease and acute spontaneous combustion. Americans will start questioning what an american is, race relations will become much worse and crime will be on a steady rise. Basically the direction of becoming Brazil and the intelligentia will think that it is a good thing. Trump: A direction to more civic nationalism with restriction on trade and movement of people, the wall is built, at least 11 million criminals will have to move out and the middle class will be saved. New foreign policy with an alliance with Russia and letting NATO funding itself more. The middle east is stabilized. All trade deals are renegotiated into the favour of the US and the standard of living will rise across the board. Expect very conservative Supreme Court appointees but at the same time a complete turnaround and universal healthcare implemented as one of many surprises. The Americans will believe in themselves again, become more relaxed and start accepting that failures in the human conditions are a natural part of life and thus cultivating a culture where we can laugh about our vices (fat people, ugly people, race and women) again. The mars space program will start, the US will be the coolest place on earth and everyone envious will secretly wish to be an American. Basically the direction of the US becoming great again and no one will hear or care what the intelligentia thinks because all the rest are too busy being awesome. Johsson: Space Elevator, cool guns, lasers. Cooking your own chrystal meth in your own garage powered by the local neighbourhood nuclear power plant that you and your buddies came to together to build. Unlimited coffeine, cigarettes are dirt cheap and you can smoke them anywhere, anytime. Your body is cybernetically enhanced to live to at least 150 and the world is your playground to discover. Basically the direction of becoming the modern wild west 2.0 and the intelligentia will be shot because they accidently trespassed on your property in their righteous furor.

Freedom is scary for many people.

Oh dear, he tore a whole new one with this speech (and reaching out to Sanders, once again): Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert give the speech the following rating: "Game over. Now running unopposed". https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/745638319644520448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw ...now back to some Football!

Forget anyone from Europe watching. UEFA 2016 is on all channels tonight. I fully expect your cliff notes posted here by tomorrow morning

Interesting because i originally found it funny that something of a postcode lottery foundation donating millions to an election in another country.

Well, well, well. What do we have here in the donor list? (Those who in bold are those that got my attention at first glance) $25 million + Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation * Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership (Canada) * Fred Eychaner * Frank Giustra, The Radcliffe Foundation Nationale Postcode Loterij * The Children's Investment Fund Foundation $10-25 million AUSAID Stephen L. Bing COPRESIDA Tom Golisano Government of Norway The Hunter Foundation * Kingdom of Saudi Arabia * The Victor Pinchuk Foundation Cheryl and Haim Saban & The Saban Family Foundation * The ELMA Foundation Theodore W. Waitt $5-10 million S. Daniel Abraham Sheikh Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi Susie Tompkins Buell Fund of the Marin Community Foundation * C40 Cities Climate Leadership Group, Inc. * Commonwealth of Australia, DIICC * Elton John AIDS Foundation Government of the Netherlands Irish Aid J.B. and M.K. Pritzker Family Foundation * John D. Mackay Denis J. O'Brien * Michael Schumacher State of Kuwait The Coca-Cola Company * The Rockefeller Foundation The Swedish Postcode Lottery * The Wasserman Foundation * $1-5 million 100 Women in Hedgefunds Absolute Return for Kids (ARK) Jay Alix Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa Nasser Al-Rashid American Federation of Teachers * Angelopoulos Foundation * Gianna Angelopoulos Anheuser-Busch Foundation Smith and Elizabeth Bagley * Barclays Capital Mary Bing and Doug Ellis Fidelity Charitable Gift Fund * Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina * Richard Blum and Blum Family Foundation * Booz Allen Hamilton * The Eli and Edythe Broad Foundation * The Sherwood Foundation * Richard and Jackie Caring * Gilbert R. Chagoury Christy and John Mack Foundation * Cisco * Citi Foundation The Clinton Family Foundation * Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund Stephen J. Cloobeck * Roy E. ****rum * Victor P. Dahdaleh & The Victor Phillip Dahdaleh Charitable Foundation The ERANDA Foundation * Robert Disbrow Dubai Foundation Duke Energy Corporation Entergy ExxonMobil * Issam M. Fares & The Wedge Foundation * Joseph T. Ford Wallace W. Fowler Friends of Saudi Arabia Fundacion Telmex Mala Gaonkar Haarman GEMS Education * Ariadne Getty * GIZ - Deutsche Gesellschaft für Internationale * The James R. Greenbaum, Jr. Family Foundation Vin Gupta * Worldwide Support for Development * Hewlett-Packard Company * Hult International Business School * Humana Inc. * ICAP Services North America * Inter-American Development Bank * Sanela D. Jenkins Robert L. Johnson * Walid Juffali Dave Katragadda Kessler Family Foundation Michael and Jena King Laureate International Universities Lukas Lundin MAC AIDS Fund The Marc Haas Foundation * Microsoft * Lakshmi N. Mittal James R. Murdoch Norad (Norwegian Agency for Development Cooperation) * NRG Energy, Inc. * OAS S.A. OCP Corporation Open Society Institute Jonathan M. Orszag * Peter G. Peterson Foundation * Pfizer Inc * PGA Tour, Inc. * Presidential Inaugural Committee Princess Diana Memorial Fund Procter & Gamble * Stewart Rahr Paul D. Reynolds Robertson Foundation Newsmax Media Inc. * Salida Capital Foundation Donald L. Saunders * Joachim Schoss Bernard L. Schwartz Walter H. Shorenstein Arnold H. Simon Bren Simon * Amar Singh Carlos Slim Helú & Fundación Carlos Slim Michael Smurfit * Harold Snyder Sol Goldman Charitable Trust * Steven Spielberg Standard Chartered Bank * Starkey Hearing Foundation * Starkey Hearing Technologies, Inc. * State of Qatar Sterling Stamos Capital Management, LP The Streisand Foundation * Suzlon Energy Ltd. Swedish Postcode Foundation Swiss Reinsurance Company * Nima Taghavi * Tenet Healthcare Corporation * The Annenberg Foundation The Boeing Company The Dow Chemical Company * The ELMA Philanthropies Services (U.S.) Inc. The Ford Foundation * The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. * The Government of Brunei Darussalam The Howard Gilman Foundation The New York Community Trust * The Roy and Christine Sturgis Charitable & Educational Trust The Sidney E. Frank Foundation The Sultanate of Oman * The Walmart Foundation The Zayed Family Thomson Reuters Torres-Picón Foundation * Toyota Motor North America, Inc. * Tracfone Wireless, Inc. * T.G. Holdings U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC) * UK Department for International Development ( DFID) United Arab Emirates * Verein Aids Life The Walton Family Foundation * Rilin Enterprises * Gerardo Werthein Frank White * The Wyss Foundation * YPY Holding Limited *

> has a great set of hair You almost had me until that point Too obvious? Damn, i need to step up my game.

Does it matter? It was the government who went full on ISIS on them

Greatness? Do you consider Trump a great man, what in your view makes him great? Trump is cool, sharp, brash, assertive and self-confident; he is successful in every of his lifes goals, he is successful in his business ventures and he swims in money; women want him, men want to be like him and he has beautiful wife with a beautiful family that loves him. He is tall, has a great set of hair, an imposing figure and finally: a proud american who loves his country country without any regret and with a clear conscience. Such sense of being is greatness and such greatness works like a magnet for those who are jealous of it. Michael Steven Stanford on the other hand, emotional, afraid, autistic and filled with self-hatred. He is poor, he lives in his car, he hasn't succeeded in anything. No women wants him and men make fun of him. He is short, sad, unkempt with a forgettable figure and finally: an illegal alien who hates america, filled with regrets and a buckling conscience. When witnessed with such greatness, he instinctively has to destroy it, as he cannot bear the knowledge of its mere existence. He tries to follow the path of Zé Pequeno in "City of God", but he fails even at that. A total failure.

I am not even surprised. Greatness breeds jealousy and jealousy fosters hatred enough to kill. //edit: Wait, the guy was an illegal. Hahahaha

It all makes sense now. I always feel sorry for guys like the guy in the interview. They are often considered heretics and the first to die by the more extreme ones, i so consider it quite brave to for him to give out his name for the press. That being said, i wonder if FBI has Bernie Sanders as a tag in their threat-matrix on their profiling database?

It's in their best interest to throw the whole thing in the memory hole because 1) Their cozy diplomatic relationship with the house of Saud. 2) It goes against their narrative of minorities (their pets) behaving badly and they are embaressed by it.

See, it's increasingly difficult to understand what you are talking about, when you keep moving the goalposts around. Now we are to refer to a video of something in Turkey, to understand some obscure overarching point regarding what second-generation muslims living in the US want? What "policy" are you talking about? By the way: Turkey's regression is chiefly the work of Ottoman fetishist and reactionary extraordinaire Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, which is, as you well know, a valued ally of the west in the fight against communism terrorism illegal immigration. edit: oh boy, GD linking Alex Jones' site. The seventh seal has been broken. The question was tolerance. The video highlights problems existing in "secular" islamic countries, where the mob harasses people not following islamic traditions, this and other kinds of problems are imported with the people following them into western countries. Such problems are possible thanks to the current immigration policies. Should these acts be tolerated? It has also been become evident that the second and third generation muslims are radicalising, but the immigration wave continues from such countries. Should this be tolerated? I ask this because tolerance implies that it you have to put up with things that you don't like.

What activity, law or behaviour previously not liked by western society should be tolerated? What is to be gained by perpetually accepting such acts? If you answer with new restaurants and interesting music then you have missed what people are being upset about. I must not be explaining myself well enough here. You can be tolerant and still have a reasonable expectation that your laws will be followed and your culture will be respected. You do not need to accept such acts, but you do not need to condemn the many for the sins of a few. You have a mentally unstable homophobic Muslim man who is the son of a Afghani immigrant (who is also pretty unstable.) He stockpiled weapons and then killed 30 people in the name of ISIS. Saying the solution to this is to condemn all Muslims is no better than those that want to ban all guns. They are both short sighted and reactionary, and ignore the vast numbers of peaceful Muslims/responsible gun owners. Islam, guns, even his use of ISIS; these are all just tools that he used to carry out a terrible tragedy. They obviously amplified his instability, and that should not be ignored. But how come no one focuses on the root of this issue? He was a crazy person. This was evident long before the shooting. He had issues in school and there were red flags throughout his life. We have a serious lack of mental health care in the US, and no one seems to be addressing it. That's my take on this. It isn't going to get better by kicking out Muslims. As i said, what kind of tolerance are we talking about? It's quite clear that people are fed up with the negative results from emerging islamic societies living as state of their own in their indigeous countries and wish it to stop. Historically we have the balkans, and now history repeats itself with second-generation muslims wanting to turn their host countries into the very countries their parents fled from. Why should such a policy be continued? Why should that be tolerated? Watch the video in http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/87643-mass-shooting-in-orlando/?p=1821765 to understand what i am talking about. No one is arguing against their law abiding Iranian dentist whose house has the biggest christmas lights during the holidays and his poker-nights in the garage at thursdays.

I forgot to mention that the peer review on the methodology of the study isn't complete yet. But still...

http://alexanderhiggins.com/stanford-berkley-study-1-77-billion-chance-hillary-won-primary-without-widespread-election-fraud/? eyyyy

Terrific. If i was briton, i would be more than ever convinced to leave the EU. It's like a textbook example on reverse psychology.

Did the new Pope really say that? Also Oerwinde you seem to understand what people mean on these forums....what is Hurlshot talking about as he ignores me so I dont know...I mean in this thread, he seems to be asking about ISIS ? http://www.la-croix.com/Religion/Pape/INTERVIEW-Pope-Francis-2016-05-17-1200760633 I find it a bit strange on little the pope defends his catholicism.

I was nine at the time, but would probably have voted yes at the time if I could (not today though).. it's fairly recently that I've become more sceptic towards the EU - simply because they've proven themselves inefficient too many times. I do share the ideological goal they peddle though, I'm a big fan of a strong government working FOR the people against selfish monetary interests, but EU isn't that and won't be in it's current form. A Scandinavian union though - sign me right the **** up. I could even live with the political capital being in Sweden If it is Copenhagen as the political capital, then i'll back you without a second thought. Stockholm can be the center of trade or something.

You're a relatively astute person, so this is probably somewhat rhetorical: Did it ever occur to you that overthrowing Saddam and Qaddafi were not terrible mistakes? That perhaps the folks who orchestrated these things knew exactly what they were doing? The outcomes were indeed predicted by many, even as early as the 90s. So at least in some quarters there was no surprise at what happened. If we are to take the position that these things were terrible mistakes, what are we doing allowing those who made them to continue holding the strings of power? And if we take the position that they were not mistakes.... Then /pol/ is right and we are in for terrible times ahead. I do not wish for that to happen. Reddit and 4chan are places I do not frequent (I'm not sure which one you're referring to). But I would agree that terrible times are ahead. I also do not wish for them to happen. However, us wishing thus is akin to us wishing the tides to not happen. Rubicons have been crossed. We are past points of no return at this point, and have been for quite some time methinks. The calm before the storm is passed, and the waves are beginning to get choppy these last few years. The worst part methinks is that the longer the flames take to ignite the worse the explosion is going to be. I'm curious if you have any particular essays/articles/authors you would reference/recommend on /pol/. If not, no worries. If /pol/ is right then we have a financial catastrophe on the horizon followed by a race war in the US, civil wars in Europe and a grand confrontational war with Russia. The refugee crisis was actively manufactured, media creates only certain contexts and narratives for social control, and the universities are completely subverted beyond repair. The war on terror, the patriot act and weapons-ban in the western world are tools for demoralisation of rebellious tendencies and social cohesion is destroyed by moving labor anywhere in the world for political reasons, not financial. The end goal is total erosion between different ethnic groups, harmonization of a global culture into a consumer one, which is easily controlled through hyper-individualization were what you buy is the only thing that separates you from the rest. Nations are only trade zones and the political power is beholden by a cabal consisting of old european aristocracy, jewish bankers and transhumanist technicians. No, i am personally too optimistic for such satanic scenario to actually be at play, because i do not think society can be controlled to such a degree even if they try. The phenomenons of Trump and Bernie are manifestations of a soft landing being possible, control not being overreaching and a rebound not only being within the realm of imagination. But first we have to be honest about ourselves, our society and be able to express it openly. That will take time. /pol/ is anonymous posting on an image-board, so you cannot really recommend any specific books or essays really. What activity, law or behaviour previously not liked by western society should be tolerated? What is to be gained by perpetually accepting such acts? If you answer with new restaurants and interesting music then you have missed what people are being upset about.

You're a relatively astute person, so this is probably somewhat rhetorical: Did it ever occur to you that overthrowing Saddam and Qaddafi were not terrible mistakes? That perhaps the folks who orchestrated these things knew exactly what they were doing? The outcomes were indeed predicted by many, even as early as the 90s. So at least in some quarters there was no surprise at what happened. If we are to take the position that these things were terrible mistakes, what are we doing allowing those who made them to continue holding the strings of power? And if we take the position that they were not mistakes.... Then /pol/ is right and we are in for terrible times ahead. I do not wish for that to happen.

Have you stopped beating your girlfriend? lol Stupid question but I dont get this joke? It's fun because it goes both ways. Numbersman illustrates that my pontification is an accusation where there is no possible answer to refute the question(s), while on the same hand it is very permissable to beat your wife in islamic countries. Okay that is quite funny But we cant say that is true for all Muslims so we just need to not say things that will offend them No. They have to change their ways in our countries in order to fit in. If not, then there's the door back. Oh dear, But what if they don't want to leave? Offer incentive for returning (financial, logistical) and working with current regimes in stabilizing the region (like accepting that the overthrowing of Saddam and Gadaffi were terrible mistakes and start supporting Assad as the least evil option). If they still don't want to leave then sadly there will be conflicts on some degree or the other.

Have you stopped beating your girlfriend? lol Stupid question but I dont get this joke? It's fun because it goes both ways. Numbersman illustrates that my pontification is an accusation where there is no possible answer to refute the question(s), while on the same hand it is very permissable to beat your wife in islamic countries. Okay that is quite funny But we cant say that is true for all Muslims so we just need to not say things that will offend them No. They have to change their ways in our countries in order to fit in. If not, then there's the door back.