Politics Episode 8: WWF Edition

[smjjames]

 

 

If Clinton won, with the exception of who is on the Supreme Court, nothing would be different. There would still be scandal and dysfunction and talk of impeachment. The ACA would still be the law of the land, The people in Syria and elsewhere would still be killing each other by the hundreds*. North Korea would still be doing it's thing and Russia and China theirs and we would still be doing ours.

 

It really is astonishing that so many people emotionally invested so much in the outcome of one election that families and friendships broke over it. And yet the choice really was of such little consequence after all is said and done.

 

*sponsored killing brought to you by the biggest arms dealers in the world.

 

I guess the biggest difference is how openly the corruption, self interest and wanton disregard for civil rights is being conducted - but then Trump just a ordinary businessman - he doesn't have the network to do it more covertly like the Clintons or Bushs.

 

 

Sometimes it seems that the only real loss was the liberals push to change social language, but given how zero-tolerance they were about progress it's not surprising that backfired.

 

Either way, we are in for a hell of a term.

 

 

That was a small, if very vocal, minority of liberals.

 

Of course though, if Clinton got elected, all of the problems that the Dems have now, such as lack of messaging which got exposed with Trump getting elected and the falling way below of what they expected, would fester for another four years and might end up worse off than they are now. This poll shows pretty clearly the messaging hole that they are in.

[smjjames]

For the new motto/slogan/message that the Democrats are rolling out on Monday, they seem to have settled on "a Better Deal" and an economic message for their new messaging. In full, it's actually “A Better Deal: Better Jobs, Better Wages, Better Future”. Kind of has a bit of a ring of the New Deal thing to it. It did get mocked for being unoriginal, but Make America Great Again isn't Trump's invention either.

The Daily Beast article

WaPo article

So, what do you guys think? Remains to be seen whether it catches on.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Democrats' motto should be "We hate America and we're doing everything we can to destroy it!".

[smjjames]

That's the Republicans, not Democrats

[Volourn]

Nah. It is both of them and 99% of Ameirkans and 99% of the entire world.

 

Amerika was  supposed to be a symbol of freedom but the vast majority of people have NEVER believed in freedom. WW2 was NOt about fighting for 'freedom'. It was about beating up the 'bad guys'.

 

You want proof of  the fact that people don't believe in true freedom? Look at people's reactions - no matter the issue -  at people they disagree with them> It is all ban this ban that, censor this censor that, throw them in prison, and do whatever.

 

EVIL. EVIL TO THE CORE.

[injurai]

 

 

 

If Clinton won, with the exception of who is on the Supreme Court, nothing would be different. There would still be scandal and dysfunction and talk of impeachment. The ACA would still be the law of the land, The people in Syria and elsewhere would still be killing each other by the hundreds*. North Korea would still be doing it's thing and Russia and China theirs and we would still be doing ours.

 

It really is astonishing that so many people emotionally invested so much in the outcome of one election that families and friendships broke over it. And yet the choice really was of such little consequence after all is said and done.

 

*sponsored killing brought to you by the biggest arms dealers in the world.

 

I guess the biggest difference is how openly the corruption, self interest and wanton disregard for civil rights is being conducted - but then Trump just a ordinary businessman - he doesn't have the network to do it more covertly like the Clintons or Bushs.

 

 

Sometimes it seems that the only real loss was the liberals push to change social language, but given how zero-tolerance they were about progress it's not surprising that backfired.

 

Either way, we are in for a hell of a term.

 

 

That was a small, if very vocal, minority of liberals.

 

Of course though, if Clinton got elected, all of the problems that the Dems have now, such as lack of messaging which got exposed with Trump getting elected and the falling way below of what they expected, would fester for another four years and might end up worse off than they are now. This poll shows pretty clearly the messaging hole that they are in.

 

 

Yeah, to some extent. But that vocal minority has a lions share of media sway.

 

What's that theory called, accelerationism? Where by which you want to fail fast to recover fast. I'm not sure I've ever seen that work out to be true outside of scenarios where recovery is 100% guaranteed and effective. It's a theory that only really holds ground in the engineering world. Otherwise failing fast is a bad method. Regardless the Dems have a lot of lessons to be gleaned by their loss and I fear they will learn none. Because they largely cling to the belief that they lost a slim margins game due to racists. Which may not be entirely false, but them dwelling on that and sticking candles in their ears at the rest of liberalism's criticisms is only going to make their woes fester.

 

Blue Mid Term? HAH! I have my doubts. Last mid term I was the only person I knew who voted out of my ENTIRE extended social group.

Edited July 23, 2017 by injurai

[BruceVC]

Nah. It is both of them and 99% of Ameirkans and 99% of the entire world.

 

Amerika was  supposed to be a symbol of freedom but the vast majority of people have NEVER believed in freedom. WW2 was NOt about fighting for 'freedom'. It was about beating up the 'bad guys'.

 

You want proof of  the fact that people don't believe in true freedom? Look at people's reactions - no matter the issue -  at people they disagree with them> It is all ban this ban that, censor this censor that, throw them in prison, and do whatever.

 

EVIL. EVIL TO THE CORE.

volo the USA is a free society. It  has free speech, free media and freedom to vote for who you want amongst other things common in almost all Western societies

 

 

You still haven't defined what "true freedom " is  so its impossible to really continue this type of debate with you 

[Volourn]

"volo the USA is a free society. It  has free speech, free media and freedom to vote for who you want amongst other things common in almost all Western societies"

 

L0L It is 'freer'. Not free. Any society that steals your money simply b/c you do something other dislike when you aren't hurting anyone else is not truly free. Being freer than another country doesn't change that. that goes for all western countries.

[BruceVC]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-sanctions-idUSKBN1A70L0

 

Now this is an interesting story, Democrat and Republican lawmakers working together to ensure Trump cant limit sanctions against Russia 

Edited July 23, 2017 by BruceVC

[Rosbjerg]

Closed due to length. New thread here.