Politics 2017 Part 3

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

The funny thing is it doesn't. The suicide ratio is higher after the sex change so the procedure increases the chance of trans people killing themselves.

That belongs in the alternative facts thread.

 

http://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-was-lyle-shelton-right-about-transgender-people-and-a-higher-suicide-risk-after-surgery-55573

How so? The link you provided is proving me right. The suicide ratio is higher.

 

 

...Than the suicide ration in the general population.

 

Surely it is not difficult to grasp that a study comparing post-surgery trans people to people who aren't trans to begin with has little bearing on whether the operation helps or not.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Read the article again. Slowly.

 

 

Ho-hum.

 

 

He also said research showed that people who had undergone sex reassignment surgery were 20 times more likely to suicide than the general population a decade after their surgery.

The researchers also included a comparison group. In that group, for every transgender person studied, the researchers included a non-transgendered person the same age and the same sex as the transgender person was before surgery.

Edited February 22, 2017 by aluminiumtrioxid

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/bombthrower-milo-yiannopoulos-belated-backlash-article-1.2978256?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NydnRss+%28Top+Stories+-+NY+Daily+News%29&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results

 

Shame poor Milo, resigning from Breitbart. The guy is a disgrace and a bigot and its about time, I cant see him achieving much now and he should fade from the public limelight

 

He had the audacity to support pedophilia when he said

 

“I’m grateful for Father Michael, he boasted, saying that he wouldn’t be as skilled at sex if not for the man who had violated him "

 

 

I know Milo was a personal hero for some members like Sharp_one but guys its time to find new role-models

Bravo Bruce for victim blaming.

Milo was a victim and if this kind of remarks helped him to deal with the trauma then I have no problem with that.

I don't see this comment any more outrageous or supportive of pedophilia than Sarah Silverman, Jeff Dunham, Anthony Jeselnik and legion of others comedians who make this kind of jokes at regular basis.

 

Let's be clear the story has nothing to do with people wanting to fight pedophilia it's a cynical excuse to attack Milo.

 

Besides he appologized for poor choice of words:

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/02/21/milo-apologizes/

 

I personally hope he will be ok.

" I personally hope he will be ok " :lol:

 

You joking right, tell me you joking right? Oh wait you not joking ....

 

 

So you think his comments about pedophilia are not uncommon, so please give me an example of someone in the public limelight who had been abused by a child molester and made an utterly reprehensible comment like " I am glad I was abused because thats why I am so experienced at sex " ...and I want actual real comments they made similar to this

 

 

I look forward to your examples

The same people who attack Milo are defending a convicted pedophile because he's a famous director - Roman Polański.

That's all I need to know about those people.

It seems its ok to be one if you are a part of the clique but it's not ok to joke about your own abuse if you're not a part of the clique.

 

As for quotes only recently Silverman asked is ot still pedophilia if the kid did the first move. I could post a dozen or a hundred, but why bother you would just ignore them.

 

Which people who dislike Milo think what Polanski did is okay? Can you provide links that make this comparison....I will read them

 

But again I doubt you can provide this information because you live and operate in the world of alternative facts so when you are called out on these types of comments you cannot respond with anything credible

 

Also I would  think its appalling if any other person, whether they are a comedian or not, attempted to normalize, justify  or make light of  pedophilia. So I'm not sure how you can possibly think just because someone like Silvermans comments are similar to Milos makes it okay or makes Milo any less of a lowlife and degenerate human being 

 

Lets be clear, ANYONE who thinks  pedophilia is okay needs to judged and harshly criticised in the public limelight 

[Chilloutman]

it was maybe already posted but that irony is UGHE in this one

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/riots-erupt-in-swedens-capital-just-days-after-trump-comments/?utm_term=.01074a070acc

[Elerond]

Yeah Trump would not had looked like an idiot if he had just dropped last night from his speech, but now all the defenses for his speech just come out as weak excuses.

[Chilloutman]

Yeah Trump would not had looked like an idiot if he had just dropped last night from his speech, but now all the defenses for his speech just come out as weak excuses.

 

Do you know what new happen that riots started?

[Elerond]

 

Yeah Trump would not had looked like an idiot if he had just dropped last night from his speech, but now all the defenses for his speech just come out as weak excuses.

 

Do you know what new happen that riots started?

 

 

Swedish police arrested somebody and people with masks started riot by throwing rocks towards police. It ended when police shot towards rioters. And later in same evening people started to riot again by breaking shop windows, burning cars and they battered some people. Police estimates that about 30-50 people were behind the riots.

 

Police is investigating three claims of rioting, two claims of battering, several cases of theft and vandalism

 

EDIT: More details what Swedish police said about riots in their press conference.

 

 

Edit2: People seem to be angry about their life and said arrest seems to have worked as convenient excuse to release that anger in the violent and nonconstructive way that is typical for some people regardless of their origin.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Elerond

[Drowsy Emperor]

Nothing speaks to the success of a policy like going into full reverse after it

 

https://www.rt.com/news/378231-germany-eu-refugee-deportation/

[Chilloutman]

 

 

Yeah Trump would not had looked like an idiot if he had just dropped last night from his speech, but now all the defenses for his speech just come out as weak excuses.

 

Do you know what new happen that riots started?

 

 

Swedish police arrested somebody and people with masks started riot by throwing rocks towards police. It ended when police shot towards rioters. And later in same evening people started to riot again by breaking shop windows, burning cars and they battered some people. Police estimates that about 30-50 people were behind the riots.

 

Police is investigating three claims of rioting, two claims of battering, several cases of theft and vandalism

 

EDIT: More details what Swedish police said about riots in their press conference.

 

 

Edit2: People seem to be angry about their life and said arrest seems to have worked as convenient excuse to release that anger in the violent and nonconstructive way that is typical for some people regardless of their origin.

 

 

Hmm ok thanks for info

[BruceVC]

Nothing speaks to the success of a policy like going into full reverse after it

 

https://www.rt.com/news/378231-germany-eu-refugee-deportation/

RT is the paradigm of the true fake news development  we face , you need to post links from other websites if you want me to respond  

[BruceVC]

 

 

Yeah Trump would not had looked like an idiot if he had just dropped last night from his speech, but now all the defenses for his speech just come out as weak excuses.

 

Do you know what new happen that riots started?

 

 

 

 

Edit2: People seem to be angry about their life and said arrest seems to have worked as convenient excuse to release that anger in the violent and nonconstructive way that is typical for some people regardless of their origin.

 

What complaints would immigrants have living in such a generous country as Sweden have  that they are angry? What are they angry about ?

[Chilloutman]

http://www.politico.eu/article/marine-le-pen-cancels-mufti-meeting-over-headscarf/

[Elerond]

 

 

 

Yeah Trump would not had looked like an idiot if he had just dropped last night from his speech, but now all the defenses for his speech just come out as weak excuses.

 

Do you know what new happen that riots started?

 

 

 

 

Edit2: People seem to be angry about their life and said arrest seems to have worked as convenient excuse to release that anger in the violent and nonconstructive way that is typical for some people regardless of their origin.

 

What complaints would immigrants have living in such a generous country as Sweden have  that they are angry? What are they angry about ?

 

There are lots of things to complain and when those things are solved there are more things to complain.

 

Like for example why some native Finns (about 200 people) were so angry that they felt need to riot on our independence day by throwing rocks towards police, purposefully trying to hurt police horses and break their legs, breaking shop windows, stealing stuff, and vandalizing places. They gave multiple reason why they did what they did, they said that they don't get enough money from government, government don't give them enough jobs, president is idiot, rich should not have parties paid from tax Euros, etc..

 

When people feel that their life sucks some of them will always find reasons to cause damage to others or their properties like that somehow would make their life better if other people are also miserable.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

Yeah Trump would not had looked like an idiot if he had just dropped last night from his speech, but now all the defenses for his speech just come out as weak excuses.

 

Do you know what new happen that riots started?

 

 

 

 

Edit2: People seem to be angry about their life and said arrest seems to have worked as convenient excuse to release that anger in the violent and nonconstructive way that is typical for some people regardless of their origin.

 

What complaints would immigrants have living in such a generous country as Sweden have  that they are angry? What are they angry about ?

 

There are lots of things to complain and when those things are solved there are more things to complain.

 

Like for example why some native Finns (about 200 people) were so angry that they felt need to riot on our independence day by throwing rocks towards police, purposefully trying to hurt police horses and break their legs, breaking shop windows, stealing stuff, and vandalizing places. They gave multiple reason why they did what they did, they said that they don't get enough money from government, government don't give them enough jobs, president is idiot, rich should not have parties paid from tax Euros, etc..

 

When people feel that their life sucks some of them will always find reasons to cause damage to others or their properties like that somehow would make their life better if other people are also miserable.

 

But dont you think its worse to see people who left there own country for various reason and immigrated to a first world Western country, which provides examples of some of the best qualities of life, and then those  immigrants still complain and are angry?

 

In other words I have no issues with citizens in a country complaining unreasonably but I have an issue when a country takes in immigrants and its small groups of those immigrants complaining.,.,.they can always go home ?

 

Dont you think its inconsistent ?

[Chilloutman]

But dont you think its worse to see people who left there own country for various reason and immigrated to a first world Western country, which provides examples of some of the best qualities of life, and then those  immigrants still complain and are angry?

 

 

In other words I have no issues with citizens in a country complaining unreasonably but I have an issue when a country takes in immigrants and its small groups of those immigrants complaining.,.,.they can always go home ?

 

Dont you think its inconsistent ?

 

 

OK dude, one more and you are off my ignore list xD

[Elerond]

 

There are lots of things to complain and when those things are solved there are more things to complain.

 

Like for example why some native Finns (about 200 people) were so angry that they felt need to riot on our independence day by throwing rocks towards police, purposefully trying to hurt police horses and break their legs, breaking shop windows, stealing stuff, and vandalizing places. They gave multiple reason why they did what they did, they said that they don't get enough money from government, government don't give them enough jobs, president is idiot, rich should not have parties paid from tax Euros, etc..

 

When people feel that their life sucks some of them will always find reasons to cause damage to others or their properties like that somehow would make their life better if other people are also miserable.

But dont you think its worse to see people who left there own country for various reason and immigrated to a first world Western country, which provides examples of some of the best qualities of life, and then those  immigrants still complain and are angry?

 

In other words I have no issues with citizens in a country complaining unreasonably but I have an issue when a country takes in immigrants and its small groups of those immigrants complaining.,.,.they can always go home ?

 

Dont you think its inconsistent ?

 

 

It depends what you think are those examples of some of the best qualities of life are? The life of immigrants especially refugees isn't really nothing to speak about when it comes to quality of life. Most Syrians for example had much better quality of life before their civil war than what they get here in Finland and I don't believe that situation is any better in Sweden. Like for example we don't let them work even if they want, we put them in centers/housing areas where they don't have little contact with natives, which don't have really any activities, especially in evenings. They are usually put in with people from lots of other countries. It is all planned to be temporal, but then decade past and nothing changes, except that they need to share their living quarters with more people. 

 

Of course above isn't faith that everybody faces but it is faith that lots of those who are angriest share.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Elerond

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah Trump would not had looked like an idiot if he had just dropped last night from his speech, but now all the defenses for his speech just come out as weak excuses.

 

Do you know what new happen that riots started?

 

 

 

 

Edit2: People seem to be angry about their life and said arrest seems to have worked as convenient excuse to release that anger in the violent and nonconstructive way that is typical for some people regardless of their origin.

 

What complaints would immigrants have living in such a generous country as Sweden have  that they are angry? What are they angry about ?

 

There are lots of things to complain and when those things are solved there are more things to complain.

 

Like for example why some native Finns (about 200 people) were so angry that they felt need to riot on our independence day by throwing rocks towards police, purposefully trying to hurt police horses and break their legs, breaking shop windows, stealing stuff, and vandalizing places. They gave multiple reason why they did what they did, they said that they don't get enough money from government, government don't give them enough jobs, president is idiot, rich should not have parties paid from tax Euros, etc..

 

When people feel that their life sucks some of them will always find reasons to cause damage to others or their properties like that somehow would make their life better if other people are also miserable.

 

But dont you think its worse to see people who left there own country for various reason and immigrated to a first world Western country, which provides examples of some of the best qualities of life, and then those  immigrants still complain and are angry?

 

In other words I have no issues with citizens in a country complaining unreasonably but I have an issue when a country takes in immigrants and its small groups of those immigrants complaining.,.,.they can always go home ?

 

Dont you think its inconsistent ?

 

 

It depends what you think are those examples of some of the best qualities of life are? The life of immigrants especially refugees isn't really nothing to speak about when it comes to quality of life. Most Syrians for example had much better quality of life before their civil war than what they get here in Finland and I don't believe that situation is any better in Sweden. Like for example we don't let them work even if they want, we put them in centers/housing areas where they don't have little contact with natives, which don't have really any activities, especially in evenings. They are usually put in with people from lots of other countries. It is all planned to be temporal, but then decade past and nothing changes, except that they need to share their living quarters with more people. 

 

Of course above isn't faith that everybody faces but it is faith that lots of those who are angriest share.

 

Fair enough, you make some valid reasons why immigrants could be unhappy in a first world Western country

 

But I'm not completely  convinced this somehow justifies them committing acts of violence as people who have been invited and welcomed to live in another country. So you can be angry but that shouldn't translate to acts of violence and public criminality ?

[Elerond]

 

 

But dont you think its worse to see people who left there own country for various reason and immigrated to a first world Western country, which provides examples of some of the best qualities of life, and then those  immigrants still complain and are angry?

 

In other words I have no issues with citizens in a country complaining unreasonably but I have an issue when a country takes in immigrants and its small groups of those immigrants complaining.,.,.they can always go home ?

 

Dont you think its inconsistent ?

 

It depends what you think are those examples of some of the best qualities of life are? The life of immigrants especially refugees isn't really nothing to speak about when it comes to quality of life. Most Syrians for example had much better quality of life before their civil war than what they get here in Finland and I don't believe that situation is any better in Sweden. Like for example we don't let them work even if they want, we put them in centers/housing areas where they don't have little contact with natives, which don't have really any activities, especially in evenings. They are usually put in with people from lots of other countries. It is all planned to be temporal, but then decade past and nothing changes, except that they need to share their living quarters with more people. 

 

Of course above isn't faith that everybody faces but it is faith that lots of those who are angriest share.

 

Fair enough, you make some valid reasons why immigrants could be unhappy in a first world Western country

 

But I'm not completely  convinced this somehow justifies them committing acts of violence as people who have been invited and welcomed to live in another country. So you can be angry but that shouldn't translate to acts of violence and public criminality ?

 

 

Acts of violence and public criminality isn't never acceptable, which is why looking causes behind people's actions is important step in help to find ways to prevent more such happening in future.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Elerond

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah Trump would not had looked like an idiot if he had just dropped last night from his speech, but now all the defenses for his speech just come out as weak excuses.

 

Do you know what new happen that riots started?

 

 

 

 

Edit2: People seem to be angry about their life and said arrest seems to have worked as convenient excuse to release that anger in the violent and nonconstructive way that is typical for some people regardless of their origin.

 

What complaints would immigrants have living in such a generous country as Sweden have  that they are angry? What are they angry about ?

 

There are lots of things to complain and when those things are solved there are more things to complain.

 

Like for example why some native Finns (about 200 people) were so angry that they felt need to riot on our independence day by throwing rocks towards police, purposefully trying to hurt police horses and break their legs, breaking shop windows, stealing stuff, and vandalizing places. They gave multiple reason why they did what they did, they said that they don't get enough money from government, government don't give them enough jobs, president is idiot, rich should not have parties paid from tax Euros, etc..

 

When people feel that their life sucks some of them will always find reasons to cause damage to others or their properties like that somehow would make their life better if other people are also miserable.

 

But dont you think its worse to see people who left there own country for various reason and immigrated to a first world Western country, which provides examples of some of the best qualities of life, and then those  immigrants still complain and are angry?

 

In other words I have no issues with citizens in a country complaining unreasonably but I have an issue when a country takes in immigrants and its small groups of those immigrants complaining.,.,.they can always go home ?

 

Dont you think its inconsistent ?

 

 

It depends what you think are those examples of some of the best qualities of life are? The life of immigrants especially refugees isn't really nothing to speak about when it comes to quality of life. Most Syrians for example had much better quality of life before their civil war than what they get here in Finland and I don't believe that situation is any better in Sweden. Like for example we don't let them work even if they want, we put them in centers/housing areas where they don't have little contact with natives, which don't have really any activities, especially in evenings. They are usually put in with people from lots of other countries. It is all planned to be temporal, but then decade past and nothing changes, except that they need to share their living quarters with more people. 

 

Of course above isn't faith that everybody faces but it is faith that lots of those who are angriest share.

 

Fair enough, you make some valid reasons why immigrants could be unhappy in a first world Western country

 

But I'm not completely  convinced this somehow justifies them committing acts of violence as people who have been invited and welcomed to live in another country. So you can be angry but that shouldn't translate to acts of violence and public criminality ?

 

 

Acts of violence and public criminality isn't never acceptable, which is why looking causes behind people's actions is important step in help to find ways to prevent more such happening in future.

 

But arent we facing a hopeless outcome of inevitable violence if you right,  we both admit some of the refugees dont have the same life they had in Syria and this is to expected. Countries like Sweden and Finland are not Syria and never will be, so if the outcome to end violence is  " we need to address there core grievance "  which is not possible, then surely we are saying " there will always be violence " as we cannot make certain immigrants happy 

 

I consider that an unacceptable corollary to immigrants coming to our Western countries ?

Edited February 22, 2017 by BruceVC

[Elerond]

 

 

Fair enough, you make some valid reasons why immigrants could be unhappy in a first world Western country

 

But I'm not completely  convinced this somehow justifies them committing acts of violence as people who have been invited and welcomed to live in another country. So you can be angry but that shouldn't translate to acts of violence and public criminality ?

 

Acts of violence and public criminality isn't never acceptable, which is why looking causes behind people's actions is important step in help to find ways to prevent more such happening in future.

 

But arent we facing a hopeless outcome of inevitable violence if you right,  we both admit some of the refugees dont have the same life they had in Syria and this is to expected. Countries like Sweden and Finland are not Syria and never will be, so if the outcome to end violence is  " we need to address there core grievance "  which is not possible, then surely we are saying " there will always be violence " as we cannot make certain immigrants happy 

 

I consider that an unacceptable corollary to immigrants coming to our Western countries ?

 

 

The thing is that those things can be address those grievances but there are things that are higher on importance list for those who decide things, like fighting over if gays can marry or not, for billionth time.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Elerond

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But arent we facing a hopeless outcome of inevitable violence if you right,  we both admit some of the refugees dont have the same life they had in Syria and this is to expected. Countries like Sweden and Finland are not Syria and never will be, so if the outcome to end violence is  " we need to address there core grievance "  which is not possible, then surely we are saying " there will always be violence " as we cannot make certain immigrants happy 

 

I consider that an unacceptable corollary to immigrants coming to our Western countries ?

 

 

The thing is that those things can be address those grievances but there are things that are higher on importance list for those who decide things, like fighting over if gays can marry or not, for billionth time.

 

I think the rights of the gay citizens of any country should be more important than trying to integrate immigrants 

 

Citizens rights IMO should always come first in most cases 

[Chilloutman]

Hey mods, can't you somehow limit number of 'quotes' or replies in one post, seems like some people are unable to control this basic function enough, by this rate we will have one post on one page

 

Edit: Kudos to Bruce that he actually started to do it

Edited February 22, 2017 by Chilloutman

[Elerond]

 

 

But arent we facing a hopeless outcome of inevitable violence if you right,  we both admit some of the refugees dont have the same life they had in Syria and this is to expected. Countries like Sweden and Finland are not Syria and never will be, so if the outcome to end violence is  " we need to address there core grievance "  which is not possible, then surely we are saying " there will always be violence " as we cannot make certain immigrants happy 

 

I consider that an unacceptable corollary to immigrants coming to our Western countries ?

 

The thing is that those things can be address those grievances but there are things that are higher on importance list for those who decide things, like fighting over if gays can marry or not, for billionth time.

 

I think the rights of the gay citizens of any country should be more important than trying to integrate immigrants 

 

Citizens rights IMO should always come first in most cases

 

 

But the thing is we increased marriage right to include same sex unions several years ago, this year our new government wanted to take that back just month before the new law come in effect.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Elerond

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

But arent we facing a hopeless outcome of inevitable violence if you right,  we both admit some of the refugees dont have the same life they had in Syria and this is to expected. Countries like Sweden and Finland are not Syria and never will be, so if the outcome to end violence is  " we need to address there core grievance "  which is not possible, then surely we are saying " there will always be violence " as we cannot make certain immigrants happy 

 

I consider that an unacceptable corollary to immigrants coming to our Western countries ?

 

The thing is that those things can be address those grievances but there are things that are higher on importance list for those who decide things, like fighting over if gays can marry or not, for billionth time.

 

I think the rights of the gay citizens of any country should be more important than trying to integrate immigrants 

 

Citizens rights IMO should always come first in most cases

 

 

But the thing is we increased marriage right to include same sex unions several years ago, this year our new government wanted to take that back just month before the new law come in effect.

 

You joking? You telling me the Finnish government is trying to reverse gay marriage in Finland, what was the outcome ?

[Elerond]

 

 

 

 

But arent we facing a hopeless outcome of inevitable violence if you right,  we both admit some of the refugees dont have the same life they had in Syria and this is to expected. Countries like Sweden and Finland are not Syria and never will be, so if the outcome to end violence is  " we need to address there core grievance "  which is not possible, then surely we are saying " there will always be violence " as we cannot make certain immigrants happy 

 

I consider that an unacceptable corollary to immigrants coming to our Western countries ?

 

The thing is that those things can be address those grievances but there are things that are higher on importance list for those who decide things, like fighting over if gays can marry or not, for billionth time.

 

I think the rights of the gay citizens of any country should be more important than trying to integrate immigrants 

 

Citizens rights IMO should always come first in most cases

 

 

But the thing is we increased marriage right to include same sex unions several years ago, this year our new government wanted to take that back just month before the new law come in effect.

 

You joking? You telling me the Finnish government is trying to reverse gay marriage in Finland, what was the outcome ?

 

It was rejected not so surprisingly, meaning that law change will come effect in beginning of next month