Slack83er Posted October 29, 2016 Posted October 29, 2016 That's it. I don't want to give up playing, and now I'm looking for your advice, you people that know this game well, to achieve what I'm looking for. First of all, I want to say that I want to thank everyone of you guys who has been giving suggestions and encouragements to me, for I really want to play this game as it deserves to be. Now.. let's look at the character. PoE master boeroer ( ) recently came out with a particular paladin, an elf with spear who is adept at charming foes. I want to take inspiration from this kind of build as this is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for. It perfectly summarizes the MC that is kinda unique, and with a perfectly thought bg. Now... unless I try and play exactly THAT character, this leads to what I am expecting to play. A character with unique abilities, someone that stands out. A MC that makes you say "no other char does what I do". At first, I thought my idea of undead hunter could be as I just described. But then, I realized that, while maybe not so efficiently, every paladin, fighter, cleric... just everyone slays undead and spirits. So, when I said "I can't feel my MC's power or presence" I was just missing some kind of UNICITY that makes me enjoy my character in EVERY detail, from bg to carefully chosen stats and equipment. So, without further annoying you with my philosophical thought, I just want to be unique. This is what will make me enjoy this game. Anyone has a suggestion? Just not min maxed, exactly like the aforementioned build is. Thanks from the deep of my old fashioned gdr addicted heart - There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary code, and those who don't. -
AeonsLegend Posted October 29, 2016 Posted October 29, 2016 Why would you want a spirit shift druid with no endurance? He gets cc-ed, he's dead.
AeonsLegend Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 8 consitution is still plety Truth to be told, I dropped it because I wanted to avoid dropping res since Slacker is quite keen on being talkative. And what exactlydod you mean by getting CCd? Do you refer to CC spells targeting fortitude? That is compesated by having high might. Or do you mean when he gets hit by an AoE damage spell? Well, spiritshift will help out quite pleasantly, and there are enough ways to heal characters... I think that can be said But in my expirience, especially on lower difficulties, low con is not toooo much of a problem. In fact, my own nature god shifter had 3 con and 5 res and got along pretty good I think ultimatley con is not really as needed... It is for many characters a bit overrated Well yeah when you get to level 8 or higher, but the early levels are going to be really annoying. Plus a dragon can still one-shot you if you're below 200 HP.
AeonsLegend Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 Actually, I only found few occasions whre the low con was an huge problem, even early on. More so after the inclusion of second wind... early on that thing can really turn the tide. And when I'm fighting dragons, I am usually prepared in a way that stops my casters from getting one shotted... I don't know about you, but that is a least what I try It is not that hard to stack defenses, and then to get several AoE puls heals going, for example via druid or priest Yea dragons are not the problem, but from your post I'm assuming you're using the druid in melee. One breath attack hits and your druid is down.
Slack83er Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 It may absolutely be fun and unique... but from the last posts I haven't understood if it's melee or ranged... when I read spiritshift I thought it was melee... - There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary code, and those who don't. -
Raven Darkholme Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) Pf, high defense tank + mindweb and you can melee dragons with 3 con. Edited October 30, 2016 by Raven Darkholme 2 My twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/victorcreed_twitch My youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/VictorCreedGaming
Slack83er Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 Pf, high defense tank + mindweb and you can melee dragons with 3 con. I doubt I'm experienced enough to handle a situation like that.... but I'll try my best - There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary code, and those who don't. -
AndreaColombo Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 ^ I wouldn't be so sure ... It is certainly possible to max out before fighting the dragons. Regardless, with the party I've been testing for my 3.04 playthough, from level 14 on it was possible to brute-force dragons and shrug their breath attack because extreme healing on everyone. 2 "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
Slack83er Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) I'm going for a test.... I'll let ya all know how it fares.... P.s. What concept shall I choose behind this MC? Background? Abilities? Such as survival (obvious choice)...mech? Edited October 30, 2016 by Slack83er - There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary code, and those who don't. -
Slack83er Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 Alright I'll try to come up with something... and abilities? P.s. Stag's really strong... almost 1 or 2 hits and everything falls. - There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary code, and those who don't. -
Slack83er Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 Spirit shift seems rather good to specialize in. But I still must understand the abilities (not the talents). So survival? Or Mech? Stealth? Then a question: Are the spiritshifted weapons based on what I'm carrying, or they just have a set damage? I don't know what weapon to bring... - There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary code, and those who don't. -
Slack83er Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 Fair enough ben. Great help, as always! I'll go try. You are talking about greenstone staff? - There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary code, and those who don't. -
Slack83er Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 Ok, got to come up with something good for roleplay... Just for a try, I picked colonist (which gave me 4 surv. right at the start). Then I went Vailia. I said I was helping the population... But it needs refining. Why stag? Think....Mumble.... - There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary code, and those who don't. -
Slack83er Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 Ok, a question came to mind: does the monk cross class talent work with the spirit shift? It's some good damage bonus... as well as a little accuracy... - There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary code, and those who don't. -
AndreaColombo Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 It doesn't by design, as it would make Spiritshift even more (over)powerful. "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
Slack83er Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 It doesn't by design, as it would make Spiritshift even more (over)powerful. Crap... - There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary code, and those who don't. -
AndreaColombo Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 No offence, but I'd say that approach might not be first-timer-friendly None taken, and I agree—I was making a broader point rather than suggesting that approach to the OP "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
Boeroer Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) If you choose to use lowish CON you can take Veteran's Recovery to balance that. With high MIG and INT it works really well and makes your spiritshift druid a lot sturdier. After you get lvl 5 spells you don't have to think about strudiness so much anymore because you will have Relentless Storm which will usually stun everything around you every few seconds, making defenses less important. Spiritshift Boar is actually a lot better than it looks. Is does wounding damage like Drawn in Spring or Tidefall which is really, really nice with high MIG and especially against high DR foes - and the boar form adds a bit of endurance regeneration to Veteran's Recovery, too. With high healing bonuses from survival the boar becomes very sturdy despite having lowish CON. It's a great spiritshift form for beginners and it also looks great. A boreal dwarf would fit really well. With that kind of regeneration you can always go melee, also when not shifted. That's also not bad when you want to make use of those nice cone shaped spells. Edited October 30, 2016 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
AndreaColombo Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) Out of interest... With what party combination do you do that healing hell? Or do you simply go scroll orchestra? No orchestra; you only really need one scroll of Moonwell (or a Druid to cast the spell) to execute that strategy. Credit where credit is due, I got this whole idea from Boeroer's Chillfog build thread. My party composition is as follows: Glass of Pain protagonist (without Cloak of Tireless Defender, which my tank is using instead.) Tank of Pain (using the Cloak; could be replaced with any other build if you don't need or want a tank.) The Unfaithful Thundercat Juggernaut (more like a custom variant, really) The Last Unicorn (which is the cool-looking variant of Chillfog ) Glass of Pain has Constant Recovery + Rapid Recovery + Belt of Bountiful Healing + high MIG score + Survival healing multiplier bonus. Tank of Pain has the same as above + Cloak of the Tireless Defender. Juggernaut and The Unfaithful both have Veteran's Recovery; Juggernaut also gets the Survival healing multiplier bonus (I chose extra DR for The Unfaithful.) Thundercat is wearing Manhea's armor (+25% healing received.) Everyone gets Ancient Memory + Beloved Spirits from The Last Unicorn, which is a high-MIG, high-INT Chanter wearing St. Borragia's Tears (+15% Healing done.) The Last Unicorn also has Veteran's Recovery. All the above + a scroll of Moonwell from The Last Unicorn means everyone heals the heck out throughout the fight. None of my men are ever in the red except when a dragon uses their breath weapon; then they're in the red for a short time before the healing gets them all back up to full Endurance. At level 16 you also get the +100% Healing chant which further amplifies the effect. Pair all of this with Champion's Boon + Form of the Delemgan (which effectively means +13 DR against most damage types) and you're practically immortal Edited October 30, 2016 by AndreaColombo "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
Boeroer Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) That's a level 5 spell... And stun is also applied by lvl three returning storm Just saying Yeah, but only to one enemy instead of all. It doesn't help a lot when you get surrounded. Until you get Relentless Storm you should watch your back - after you cast that spell defenses don't matter much - that was my point. So low CON can be ok. I was arguing in your favour. If you have high MIG and INT and also survival bonuses, the healing spells Nature's Vigor and Nature's Balm are acually pretty good. You can cast them at the start of the combat and go in. Monnwell is even better of course. You won't die easily. Edited October 30, 2016 by Boeroer Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
Boeroer Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 None taken. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
Slack83er Posted October 30, 2016 Author Posted October 30, 2016 Well, I kinda like this druid idea... Only just refining the details... It's not mandatory to use a dwarf, I just can go with another race. Fun is what counts most. And the fact that I feel the MC really "mine". I tried nature godlike with aumaua shape, and that stag looked huge! Moreover especially at the beginning he was like...the strongest melee I've tried so far... so I guess it can only go better later... I just need to come up with a cool background idea.. Something cool like Boeroer's pala! - There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary code, and those who don't. -
Boeroer Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 You realize that that background story is that of Counselor Deanna Troi from the Enterprise, right? Yes, a spiritshifted druid, properly build, has the highest melee damage output against single targets. 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
AndreaColombo Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 Yes, a spiritshifted druid, properly build, has the highest melee damage output against single targets. And you don't even need to min/max. Hiravias built as the Thundercat easily out-DPSs everyone in my party. "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
Boeroer Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) His spiritshift form is unique and really good actually. Edited October 30, 2016 by Boeroer 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods
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