I Am NOT [Label], You are NOT [Label]

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

 

Yep. If you have a message that rings true to our base emotions, then anything's is possible; The good and the bad. So what's left is only the moral component on what the message is to serve. So, in this case, it's a bad attempt to look good (treat people well, we are the same) when the message used with in euphemism which is inheritly unequal (a talbot is not the same as ferrari, nor the status of having one). So therefore it is a, lazy, untrustworthy and unconvincing piece of video. Which leads bad moral premise, which leads it to be another lofty ideal by people who secretly wishes to be the aristocrats that they are fighting against.

 

 

So... people who are bad at metaphors are evil hypocrites, is that your point?

 

 

Maybe, or just incompetent buffoons. Feel free to speculate.

 

 

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence, etc etc.

 

 

I can agree on that point. I am too lazy to dig into the who the guy is, who the producer is, who is financing it, etc, etc, to prove otherwise.

 

But my point is sexier.

[Amentep]

 

 

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence, etc etc.

 

I just LOVE that quote Alum. I am so stealing this one.

 

 

Hanlon's Razor, IIRC.

 

J. Porter Clark has a corollary "any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice".

 

Goethe had a similar statement back in the 1700s "...misunderstandings and neglect create more confusion in this world than trickery and malice. At any rate, the last two are certainly much less frequent."

 

Bernard Ingram may have said it best though: "Many journalists have fallen for the conspiracy theory of government. I do assure you that they would produce more accurate work if they adhered to the ****-up theory."

 

And finally a last thought from Alexander Dumas (fils): "I prefer rogues to imbeciles, because rogues sometimes rest."

[Osvir]

I can't still get over the comparison to cars. Of all euphemisms that you can think of, he couldn't think of one where it is not any more apparent that labels, looks and performance actually matter.

 

I think the meaning he is trying to convey is "vehicle", but considering he's a spoken word artist, "car" probably has a better rhyme or flow (in terms of his poetry).

Edited December 14, 2015 by Osvir

[213374U]

 

 

My point? If you have a positive message, do it right and do it well.

Hmm. But wouldn't "doing it right" amount to large-scale reconditioning?

 

 

Yep. If you have a message that rings true to our base emotions, then anything's is possible; The good and the bad. So what's left is only the moral component on what the message is to serve. So, in this case, it's a bad attempt to look good (treat people well, we are the same) when the message used with in euphemism which is inheritly unequal (a talbot is not the same as ferrari, nor the status of having one). So therefore it is a, lazy, untrustworthy and unconvincing piece of video. Which leads bad moral premise, which leads it to be another lofty ideal by people who secretly wishes to be the aristocrats that they are fighting against.

 

This guy mastered these things to such a degree that we can thank him for all modern advertising, focus groups before and during election cycles, marketing, you name it, if you're more interested in what i am getting at.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

 

 

I have, like, no idea what you just said. And in light of your increasingly disjointed posting, I'm kinda scared to ask.

 

Regardless, I don't see how Bernays is relevant. Hating (if that's what you're doing, it's hard to tell) on PR and propaganda is like hating on calculus or gunpowder. This stuff gets discovered/invented as time goes on and it's neither good nor bad, intrinsically.

 

Not to mention that none of that is the point of the video, as others have repeatedly pointed out...

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

My point? If you have a positive message, do it right and do it well.

Hmm. But wouldn't "doing it right" amount to large-scale reconditioning?

 

 

Yep. If you have a message that rings true to our base emotions, then anything's is possible; The good and the bad. So what's left is only the moral component on what the message is to serve. So, in this case, it's a bad attempt to look good (treat people well, we are the same) when the message used with in euphemism which is inheritly unequal (a talbot is not the same as ferrari, nor the status of having one). So therefore it is a, lazy, untrustworthy and unconvincing piece of video. Which leads bad moral premise, which leads it to be another lofty ideal by people who secretly wishes to be the aristocrats that they are fighting against.

 

This guy mastered these things to such a degree that we can thank him for all modern advertising, focus groups before and during election cycles, marketing, you name it, if you're more interested in what i am getting at.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

 

 

I have, like, no idea what you just said. And in light of your increasingly disjointed posting, I'm kinda scared to ask.

 

Regardless, I don't see how Bernays is relevant. Hating (if that's what you're doing, it's hard to tell) on PR and propaganda is like hating on calculus or gunpowder. This stuff gets discovered/invented as time goes on and it's neither good nor bad, intrinsically.

 

Not to mention that none of that is the point of the video, as others have repeatedly pointed out...

 

 

I just like to point out badly produced propaganda when the message becomes convulted by either malice, incompetence, or simply by both. 

 

You're welcome. 

[Nonek]

I know my place!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmpkpeBJupo

[213374U]

I just like to point out badly produced propaganda when the message becomes convulted by either malice, incompetence, or simply by both.

That's fine, I suppose. But it has absolutely nothing to do with:

 

 

Same old, same old. If we all just change in how we think, everything will be alright. Uh-uh, nevermind the fact that you cannot force people to like each other to begin with, but who and and which people will be held responsible for the reconditioning required of such scale?  Of course no one thinks of that when all that's matter is happy feelz and

Which seemed to be a denunciation of the message rather than the execution, which you are now criticizing. Which one is it?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

At first I thought Osvir read The Ego and it's Own while inebriated and started a thread on it.

 

I'm a little disappointed this isn't the case.

[Meshugger]

 

I just like to point out badly produced propaganda when the message becomes convulted by either malice, incompetence, or simply by both.

That's fine, I suppose. But it has absolutely nothing to do with:

 

 

Same old, same old. If we all just change in how we think, everything will be alright. Uh-uh, nevermind the fact that you cannot force people to like each other to begin with, but who and and which people will be held responsible for the reconditioning required of such scale?  Of course no one thinks of that when all that's matter is happy feelz and

Which seemed to be a denunciation of the message rather than the execution, which you are now criticizing. Which one is it?

 

 

It's the 'road to hell is always paved in good intensions'-one. Virtues go from being aspired to, into enforced and thus ultimately, corrupted. 

[Osvir]

At first I thought Osvir read The Ego and it's Own while inebriated and started a thread on it.

 

I'm a little disappointed this isn't the case.

 

Next time Kaine.

 

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-ego-and-his-own

 

Now I just need to get axed!

 

 

(most excellent whisky btw)

 

.... I need a Gimli meme to go with this bottle... xD

Edited December 14, 2015 by Osvir

[Malcador]

Indeed, we are both resources for The Man to exploit. Fight back! Join the Muslamic Lizardmen today!

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

At first I thought Osvir read The Ego and it's Own while inebriated and started a thread on it.

I'm a little disappointed this isn't the case.

 

 

Next time Kaine.http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-ego-and-his-own

 

Now I just need to get axed!(most excellent whisky btw)

 

 

.... I need a Gimli meme to go with this bottle... xD

While I look forward to the thread, I have to recommend Glendalough as the drink of choice.