#RedditRevolt

[Malcador]

Yeah....you can already see the underlying animosity. Also what is the point of having a forum to discuss examples of bigotry ? Would it make you feel better to just vent ?

Helps feed your delusion that you are fighting injustice by making snide remarks about it, I think, from observing that kind. They are rather amusing people, even if trolling them is so easy.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

viscous harpies

 

Can't help but imagine a harpy made of corn syrup now.

[Fighter]

An appropriately toxic image for the slow poison that it is.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Fighter

[aluminiumtrioxid]

An appropriately toxic image for the slow poison that it is.

 

It's heartening to see that we don't need to plumb the depths of reddit in our search for hatred and bile, we have plenty of it here as well 

[Fighter]

Perhaps ironically I just wanted to emulate the feminist/social justice way of describing things. I think I should use "problematic" next I think that's taking over the various acidic imagery like toxic and poisonous lately.

 

Like: Their rightly recognized as hateful lingo is problematic.

[Bartimaeus]

 

I think his point was that the sort of people that make/inhabit websites/subreddits for targeting/criticizing a specific type of people in a very particular way such as that subreddit does don't usually adhere to the highest of ethical/moral standards themselves, and often engage in behavior identical or at least similar to that which they supposedly abhor in the people they're targeting/criticizing. In my experience of these kinds of subreddits (regardless of who they're actually about), I couldn't say that would seem completely baseless...

 

I dunno, in my experience, the kind of people whose favored pastimes include a mockery of MRAs generally tend towards more of the "point and laugh" variety instead of the "torches and pitchforks" crowd. (And make no mistake, MRAs richly deserve being mocked.)

 

Well, like I said, I don't think it really matters who the target is: I visit KotakuInAction (basically the pro-GG subreddit for GG's stated intents and purposes, and not for any of the negative fringe elements of GG) and TumblrInAction (basically the anti Tumblr/super SJW subreddit) and PCMasterRace (super pro-PC and anti-console subreddit, as you might expect) once in a while, and though there are often topics of interest that I think are worth discussing there, the subreddits are also often bogged down with hyper-overreactions, hypocrisy, and general stupidity: large crowds of people often seem to have the tendency to not exercise much in the way of critical thinking regardless of what they're all collected there for.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Bartimaeus

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Perhaps ironically I just wanted to emulate the feminist/social justice way of describing things. 

 

As a general principle, failure to understand what you're attempting to satirize does have the tendency to cause your satire to fall flat.

[Malcador]

Seems he does though, not much to understand when it comes to the people who make those comments on games. Which is who he's making fun of really, not people in that field of study or activism or what have you.

 

Always strikes me as the kind of buzzword a PM will use, and justifies a punch in the nose.

[Fighter]

Translation: "Let my argument be to just call you an ignorant idiot. I don't have to explain squat, just to act all superior". Feel better now?

 

Oh, and don't be getting upset. I'm "punching up" since you're so much more knowledgeable than the sexist rabble.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Fighter

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Translation: "Let my argument be to just call you an ignorant idiot. I don't have to explain squat, just to act all superior". 

 

Indeed I don't need to explain squat. Your metaphor was jumbled and made little sense in context, your usage of the word "toxic" was inadequate and spoke of a fundamental failure to understand the context in which it's employed by those you seek to mock, it was just plainly bad satire. Not much to explain.

[Malcador]

Someone has too high an opinion of the average person on the SJ reddits, heh.

 

Also the ex-CEO Yishan is apparently saying things are not Pao's fault, so I guess they ran her out for nothing even if she and her husband have a sketchy history.

[Fighter]

You don't get to decide any of those things. You don't get to claim to be in the right about either the context or the usage of words. You do not get to pass judgment on the adequacy of my communication which you've continually misinterpreted. You're not uniquely qualified to decide what words mean and how they are used.

 

So if you want me to understand your substance derived smugness you should have explained. Otherwise right back at you.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Fighter

[Bartimaeus]

Someone has too high an opinion of the average person on the SJ reddits, heh.

 

Also the ex-CEO Yishan is apparently saying things are not Pao's fault, so I guess they ran her out for nothing even if she and her husband have a sketchy history.

Yeah, I brought this up three pages ago, but nobody seemed to much care and instead everyone got sidetracked by how Pao was a moderator on an anti-MRAs subreddit...that she actually wasn't.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

You don't get to decide any of those things. You don't get to claim to be in the right about either the context or the usage of words. You do not get to pass judgment on the adequacy of my communication which you've continually misinterpreted^{[citation needed]}. You're not uniquely qualified to decide what words mean and how they are used.

 

I think, as a person who regularly interacts with people you lot would dub SJWs, I do get to claim to know juuuust a tad more about how certain words are used in the context of those conversations, though. Which is pretty much the only context that matters here.

[Malcador]

Yeah, I brought this up three pages ago, but nobody seemed to much care and instead everyone got sidetracked by how Pao was a moderator on an anti-MRAs subreddit...that she actually wasn't.

If it is true, it is rather funny, not that I really care if Pao gets turfed - but it'll just fuel further rage against the Reddit admins. One really poorly run site there though, administrators can't communicate at all or don't want to.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Malcador

[Fighter]

Again alum... "I know better. I'm more qualified. I'm more experienced." This has no meaning, just self imposed titles.

 

1) I don't think I'm misunderstanding "SJWs".

2) If I do it's not really my job to understand their bizarre reinventions of commonly understood words when they are trying to talk to the public.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Fighter

[Bartimaeus]

Um...it may not be your job, per se, but it wouldn't hurt when you're trying to make fun of them by emulating them...which I think - I'm not sure - was aluminiumtrioxid's point. I'd like to point out now that I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with either of you on what you guys are actually talking about, so don't think I'm arguing about the broader subject.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Bartimaeus

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Someone has too high an opinion of the average person on the SJ reddits, heh.Also the ex-CEO Yishan is apparently saying things are not Pao's fault, so I guess they ran her out for nothing even if she and her husband have a sketchy history.

Yeah, I brought this up three pages ago, but nobody seemed to much care and instead everyone got sidetracked by how Pao was a moderator on an anti-MRAs subreddit...that she actually wasn't.

I thought the approach of encouraging diversity by removing wage negotiation was just an excuse to pay workers less, which is the issue I had with her. Though I don't really use reddit and don't intend to for the foreseeable future.

[Malcador]

Um...it may not be your job, per se, but it wouldn't hurt when you're trying to make fun of them by emulating them...which I think - I'm not sure - was aluminiumtrioxid's point. I'd like to point out now that I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with either of you on what you guys are actually talking about, so don't think I'm arguing about the broader subject.

He was doing a good job of how they do it on Reddit at least. Just needed to use "Ugh" more often

[Bartimaeus]

 

 

Someone has too high an opinion of the average person on the SJ reddits, heh.Also the ex-CEO Yishan is apparently saying things are not Pao's fault, so I guess they ran her out for nothing even if she and her husband have a sketchy history.

Yeah, I brought this up three pages ago, but nobody seemed to much care and instead everyone got sidetracked by how Pao was a moderator on an anti-MRAs subreddit...that she actually wasn't.

 

I thought the approach of encouraging diversity by removing wage negotiation was just an excuse to pay workers less, which is the issue I had with her. Though I don't really use reddit and don't intend to for the foreseeable future.

 

Yes...I thought that was laughable at the time, too...though I will say, upon further reflection (that I'm having right now), that it really depends on how she went about it, which I don't think we were ever given the details of. If by "removing wage negotiation", she meant "bring up everyone to at least a certain standard and don't 'overpay' anyone in the future unless we're going to bring up everyone else, too", then I could see an argument for it being a good thing. Of course, I think wage negotiations serve a use beyond just that, but I could at least see that as a half-decent argument and implementation. But again, I don't think we were actually ever given any real details on how that went down.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Bartimaeus

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Again alum... "I know better. I'm more qualified. I'm more experienced." This has no meaning, just self imposed titles.

 

 

Let me explain to you in detail, then.

 

What you claimed to be an attempt at emulating "the SJW lingo" was essentially this sentence: "[a harpy made of corn syrup is] an appropriately toxic image for the slow poison it is". Whereas, one assumes, "the slow poison" refers both to corn syrup (which is spectacularly unhealthy) and TEH EVILZ OF FEMINISM (who will, presumably, take all of our freedomz in seemingly-innocuous baby steps, hence "slow" and "poison"). Problem with the usage of "toxic image" is that a/ it either directly refers to "slow poison" itself, which is, while technically true, also a tautology (poison is toxic, who would've thought?) or b/ it's about the feminist harpies slowly poisoning our society, which would be golden, except...

 

While "SJWs" don't categorically reserve the term "toxic" to inanimate phenomena, whenever it's used to characterize people, it generally refers to the kind who make civil conversation impossible by their very presence (you probably know the type, loud, abrasive, have no clue of what they're talking about), not those who are insidious and manipulative. Hence, if "slow poison" refers to feminists, the usage of "toxic" wouldn't really apply, since in your interpretation, society doesn't realize it's been poisoned UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE (dun dun dun!). Or if we're specifically referring to the subgroup of feminists who are toxic, the "slow poison" term is inadequate.

 

Therefore, we have three possibilities: either the usage of "toxic" in the sentence is a tautology, or it fails to emulate the conventions of the group you claim to mock, or your metaphor is a mess.

 

 

(Also, as someone who has a passing familiarity with how human bodies work, I take issue with the implied characterization of corn syrup as "toxic". It's about as toxic as table salt, ie. while it can kill you, it's really not a very practical way of poisoning someone.)

 

 

1) I don't think I'm misunderstanding "SJWs".

2) If I do it's not really my job to understand their bizarre reinventions of commonly understood words when they are trying to talk to the public.

 

1) Most people who misunderstand something generally don't realize they misunderstand it. Hence misunderstanding, not "un-understanding".

2) If you're attempting to satirize a group's usage of words, yes, it's kind of your job to understand how they're actually using those words. Or at least to not throw a butthurt temper tantrum when someone corrects you.

[Ineth]

Someone has too high an opinion of the average person on the SJ reddits, heh.

 

Also the ex-CEO Yishan is apparently saying things are not Pao's fault, so I guess they ran her out for nothing even if she and her husband have a sketchy history.

 

But isn't that the guy who recommended her for the position in the first place, and is a personal friend of hers? So it's kind of a given that he's taking her side and trying to make her look better.

 

Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if it were true that Pao wasn't the main source of some of reddits unpopular actions of recent months. It takes more than an interim CEO acting alone, to change the course of a company.

 

I guess the reditors will just have to stage another 'revolt' then, won't they...

[BruceVC]

 

Again alum... "I know better. I'm more qualified. I'm more experienced." This has no meaning, just self imposed titles.

 

 

 

 

Therefore, we have three possibilities: either the usage of "toxic" in the sentence is a tautology, or it fails to emulate the conventions of the group you claim to mock, or your metaphor is a mess.

 

 

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Good usage of the word tautology     Where did you read that word in Hungary? Its not used by most English people and most people wouldn't know what it means. But it effectively enhances a point 

[Bartimaeus]

Eh, it's not that rare of a word...although I'll admit that I've only used it a handful of times in real life. Not too uncommon on forum boards where people are constantly arguing, as at least a few people are bound to have taken a class or two on logical fallacies.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Not too uncommon on forum boards where people are constantly arguing, as at least a few people are bound to have taken a class or two on logical fallacies.

 

Ugh, those people are the worst.