#RedditRevolt

[BruceVC]

Bruce... Anti-men. ANTI-MEN. Not anti Gamergate, not anti MRA, not anti <insert group>. Anti-men. Your words.

 

I would assume someone who was a CEO would have the basic intelligence to figure this out. And you too.

 

Would I blame her? Yeah... for being a bigot. Which she would be.

Look lets stop being condescending and dismissive  to each other....so please assume I can support what I'm saying. You just need to ask what I mean and I have a reason for saying what I say

 

Yes its possible she is resentful towards male gamers because of how she was  treated...why is this so hard to understand? I assume she is annoyed because of the fact she is a mod on that forum? And I assume its got an issue with men..I may be wrong ?

[cirdanx]

Who knows what she really thinks about men...but would you blame her if she was anti-men?

 

After the way she was treated 

 

cirdanx you shouldn't generalize about SJW ...also how do you know she was a radical feminist ?

 

 

Blame her? No, why is should i "blame" her. If thats her view, fine, but that doesn´t mean that her view is right. Throughin a whole gender into one sack and treating them all the same way because of some bad experiences you had is not an intelligent, nor a sensible thing to do. That also negates the argument on how she was treated, which infact we both don´t know.

 

Unless you mean the current reddit situation, which i think she deserved based on her actions, which were unexceptable.

 

Why not? SJW gerneralizes all the time and so far, i have never seen a real discussion coming from them. It´s all hate, arrogance, self entitlement and cencorship. Thats not a basis to start to anything from unless your goal is to be radical. Naturally the response was the same. And nothing of this will lead anywhere, because more sensible voices will be ignored.

 

The interesting thing here is, that they do much more harm to honest feminism and what that stands for than any man could ever do.

[Fighter]

I am ready to give up...

 

It is hard to understand because it is the logic not befitting of an intelligent person. I cannot say it anymore softly. There is no justifiable excuse for becoming anti-men anymore than there is for becoming a misogynist. If you do you're just a bigot. Period. And you get blamed for being one.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Fighter

[BruceVC]

 

Who knows what she really thinks about men...but would you blame her if she was anti-men?

 

After the way she was treated 

 

cirdanx you shouldn't generalize about SJW ...also how do you know she was a radical feminist ?

 

 

Blame her? No, why is should i "blame" her. If thats her view, fine, but that doesn´t mean that her view is right. Throughin a whole gender into one sack and treating them all the same way because of some bad experiences you had is not an intelligent, nor a sensible thing to do. That also negates the argument on how she was treated, which infact we both don´t know.

 

Unless you mean the current reddit situation, which i think she deserved based on her actions, which were unexceptable.

 

Why not? SJW gerneralizes all the time and so far, i have never seen a real discussion coming from them. It´s all hate, arrogance, self entitlement and cencorship. Thats not a basis to start to anything from unless your goal is to be radical. Naturally the response was the same. And nothing of this will lead anywhere, because more sensible voices will be ignored.

 

The interesting thing here is, that they do much more harm to honest feminism and what that stands for than any man could ever do.

 

 

 

I am ready to give up...

 

It is hard to understand because it is the logic not befitting of an intelligent person. I cannot say it anymore softly. There is no justifiable excuse for becoming anti-men anymore than there is for becoming a misogynist. If you do you're just a bigot. Period. And you get blamed blamed for being one.

 

Guys if she is really anti-men of course I don't think its right. I don't support any type of bigotry 

 

I'm just saying I can understand why under the circumstances. Fighter I am still surprised you seem shocked that she could be " anti-men " ..why? You do accept that there are men who are misogynists ? Why can't there be women who dislike me ....I'm sure most radical feminists dislike men? 

 

@ cirdanx

 

Yes I agree, she handled the whole reddit issue terribly and she didn't deserve to be CEO

But that doesn't mean she deserved to get insulted for being a women and Asian 

 

So the reality is the whole "SJW "  is a term that is really a label that is meant to be an insult. So  I support many  SJ causes and have been called a "SJW " ...yet we have had many debates ? My point being there are millions of people who you would consider " SJW " and I can promise you they don't fit your view of "It´s all hate, arrogance, self entitlement and  censorship "

 

That's why I asked you all those questions about your past, I wanted to understand why you had a certain view about the West and was it based on some other prejudice...like maybe you were a Serb. And I have no issue with someone being "anti-Western " and I understand why many Serbs resent the West. I don't agree with it but it helps me  to understand what motivates people

 

But anyway I didnt want to assume you were "anti-Western " unless I knew ...so you should try to not assume things about SJW

[Ineth]

Ellen Pao has just become a moderator of the AgainstMensRights subreddit.

 

[citation needed]

[cirdanx]

But that doesn't mean she deserved to get insulted for being a women and Asian 

 

So the reality is the whole "SJW "  is a term that is really a label that is meant to be an insult. So  I support many  SJ causes and have been called a "SJW " ...yet we have had many debates ? My point being there are millions of people who you would consider " SJW " and I can promise you they don't fit your view of "It´s all hate, arrogance, self entitlement and  censorship "

 

That's why I asked you all those questions about your past, I wanted to understand why you had a certain view about the West and was it based on some other prejudice...like maybe you were a Serb. And I have no issue with someone being "anti-Western " and I understand why many Serbs resent the West. I don't agree with it but it helps me  to understand what motivates people

 

But anyway I didnt want to assume you were "anti-Western " unless I knew ...so you should try to not assume things about SJW

 

 

But thats the internet for you, if she can´t handle internet hate, then she has the wrong job.

 

The internet is full with idiot´s, it always has been. If you are a "public" person on the internet you have to have the ability to deal with it or go. I don´t know about you, but after 15 years with an internet connection i can´t even give a second thought about some idiot wishing me death or wanting to kill me. I mean seriously.

 

SJW was clearly not meant to be insult, these people named themself this way.  As a critic said about this subject "it´s a very catchy name..who doesn´t want to be a warrior"?

 

I don´t consider people "SJW". If they label themself or support them than it´s clear isn´t it? I don´t run around and claim that people are "SJW" thats stupid and to be honest i don´t care that much. I only care if they try to meddle in things that i care about. We are on the Obsidian forum and Pillars got that treatment. You know the headstones? Their argument was completely baselss. They don´t try to discuss things, they accuse, try to change, censor material that doesn´t go with their extreme view point. That is just crying about nothing and trying to force on people your viewpoint.

 

Being an open mind (with faults..), that goes against my fundemental viewpoint that no matter what, you should always be able to express yourself without censorship. And yes, they too have the right to say "thats sexist etc" they have the right to say it, but not the right to change said content by their will.

 

Also it helps when you actually have a point you can prove, which in the "SJW universe" is mostly not the case and they often get beaten down because their arguments have no basis.

 

As a side note: It also really pisses me off because these scum people have managed to turn the word "feminism" into a bad word again, there are many great women out there really trying to make a point, writing books, holding speeches and trying to bring something along that comes close to equality (a long process), which i absolutly agree with, instead of some twitter ****, who just do this to spread hate, stress, violence, censorship and then cash in on their crowd funds when they have found enough idiots to support themselves.

 

They are throwing back any movement for years, they are doing nothing for that, and i don´t believe for one second that the a normal woman stands behind this..i don´t personaly know one who would support this ****.

 

/rant :D

Edited July 14, 2015 by cirdanx

[Fighter]

I always thought SJW was a mock term like Keyboard Warrior or Armchair General.

 

Then some of them came out and asked "why are you using that as an insult I'm proud to be one"? Because it's silly. As silly as unironically calling yourself a superhero.

[cirdanx]

I always thought SJW was a mock term like Keyboard Warrior or Armchair General.

 

Then some of them came out and asked "why are you using that as an insult I'm proud to be one"? Because it's silly. As silly as unironically calling yourself a superhero.

 

I thought so at first when i heared that term, but after some looking into it...they seem very very comfortable with it. "you are a warrior" that comes across very well....

[Fighter]

Well they decided they are going to claim it as a way of disarming the mockery. But I still use and view it as a mockery. Because IMO in this context to call yourself a warrior instead of an activist or social change advocate or critic sounds very pompous.

 

But maybe that's just my 'toxic masculinity' way of viewing what an actual warrior is.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Fighter

[BruceVC]

 

But that doesn't mean she deserved to get insulted for being a women and Asian 

 

So the reality is the whole "SJW "  is a term that is really a label that is meant to be an insult. So  I support many  SJ causes and have been called a "SJW " ...yet we have had many debates ? My point being there are millions of people who you would consider " SJW " and I can promise you they don't fit your view of "It´s all hate, arrogance, self entitlement and  censorship "

 

That's why I asked you all those questions about your past, I wanted to understand why you had a certain view about the West and was it based on some other prejudice...like maybe you were a Serb. And I have no issue with someone being "anti-Western " and I understand why many Serbs resent the West. I don't agree with it but it helps me  to understand what motivates people

 

But anyway I didnt want to assume you were "anti-Western " unless I knew ...so you should try to not assume things about SJW

 

 

But thats the internet for you, if she can´t handle internet hate, then she has the wrong job.

 

The internet is full with idiot´s, it always has been. If you are a "public" person on the internet you have to have the ability to deal with it or go. I don´t know about you, but after 15 years with an internet connection i can´t even give a second thought about some idiot wishing me death or wanting to kill me. I mean seriously.

 

SJW was clearly not meant to be insult, these people named themself this way.  As a critic said about this subject "it´s a very catchy name..who doesn´t want to be a warrior"?

 

I don´t consider people "SJW". If they label themself or support them than it´s clear isn´t it? I don´t run around and claim that people are "SJW" thats stupid and to be honest i don´t care that much. I only care if they try to meddle in things that i care about. We are on the Obsidian forum and Pillars got that treatment. You know the headstones? Their argument was completely baselss. They don´t try to discuss things, they accuse, try to change, censor material that doesn´t go with their extreme view point. That is just crying about nothing and trying to force on people your viewpoint.

 

Being an open mind (with faults..), that goes against my fundemental viewpoint that no matter what, you should always be able to express yourself without censorship. And yes, they too have the right to say "thats sexist etc" they have the right to say it, but not the right to change said content by their will.

 

Also it helps when you actually have a point you can prove, which in the "SJW universe" is mostly not the case and they often get beaten down because their arguments have no basis.

 

As a side note: It also really pisses me off because these scum people have managed to turn the word "feminism" into a bad word again, there are many great women out there really trying to make a point, writing books, holding speeches and trying to bring something along that comes close to equality (a long process), which i absolutly agree with, instead of some twitter ****, who just do this to spread hate, stress, violence, censorship and then cash in on their crowd funds when they have found enough idiots to support themselves.

 

They are throwing back any movement for years, they are doing nothing for that, and i don´t believe for one second that the a normal woman stands behind this..i don´t personaly know one who would support this ****.

 

/rant :D

 

I prefer people not to say rude things to me but the reality is I am often involved in controversial debates so its common. And no it doesn't bother me unless its from someone I respect on these forums. I don't tell people I'm a feminist anymore because you right it has now got a bad association IMO...I just tell people I support gender equality. Besides I always felt weird saying to people I met in RL " I'm a feminist..some people think you are just saying it to pander to women and sometimes I had women who laughed at me because they thought I was just saying it to score points  " 

 

I always thought SJW was a mock term like Keyboard Warrior or Armchair General.

 

Then some of them came out and asked "why are you using that as an insult I'm proud to be one"? Because it's silly. As silly as unironically calling yourself a superhero.

Fighter I think this is a good time to explain something to you and apologize about something that you probably don't care about or didn't notice...but I want to explain anyway as its about the principle 

 

We had many disagreements on the GG thread and looking back that was actually more my fault and I'll explain why 

 

I always defend victims of bigotry like gay people and women as you know. But it never occurred to me that many white, male gamers were genuinely offended, angry and hurt by what happened when the GG debate started..like the Alexander article. I never thought that people could be offended by this as I saw this as such a none issue and I believed you guys were supporting GG because you were  resistant to change. I was wrong and I should have extended you the same courtesy as I show other groups who are discriminated against..

 

I now realize most of you guys really feel you are being targeted  and I can see how you  may feel like that. Anyway this probably isn't relevant to you personally but I just wanted to raise the fact that I am aware of it and it has changed certain things I now support 

[cirdanx]

Well they decided they are going to claim it as a way of disarming the mockery. But I still use and view it as a mockery. Because IMO in this context to call yourself a warrior instead of an activist or social change advocate or critic sounds very pompous.

 

But maybe that's just my 'toxic masculinity' way of viewing what an actual warrior is.

 

Yes they went with it. This is like a marketing joke, i mean really "social justice warrior". I could not take anyone serious who labels him/herself in this way. But a strong label (especially if it looks like a good cause in the first place) is a strong magnet for easy minded people. It works very well, example PETA. (all marketing)

 

Unfortunaly there are a lot of idiots out there, who can not differ between equality or trying to censor and turn the stick around.

 

 

But that doesn't mean she deserved to get insulted for being a women and Asian 

 

So the reality is the whole "SJW "  is a term that is really a label that is meant to be an insult. So  I support many  SJ causes and have been called a "SJW " ...yet we have had many debates ? My point being there are millions of people who you would consider " SJW " and I can promise you they don't fit your view of "It´s all hate, arrogance, self entitlement and  censorship "

 

That's why I asked you all those questions about your past, I wanted to understand why you had a certain view about the West and was it based on some other prejudice...like maybe you were a Serb. And I have no issue with someone being "anti-Western " and I understand why many Serbs resent the West. I don't agree with it but it helps me  to understand what motivates people

 

But anyway I didnt want to assume you were "anti-Western " unless I knew ...so you should try to not assume things about SJW

 

 

But thats the internet for you, if she can´t handle internet hate, then she has the wrong job.

 

The internet is full with idiot´s, it always has been. If you are a "public" person on the internet you have to have the ability to deal with it or go. I don´t know about you, but after 15 years with an internet connection i can´t even give a second thought about some idiot wishing me death or wanting to kill me. I mean seriously.

 

SJW was clearly not meant to be insult, these people named themself this way.  As a critic said about this subject "it´s a very catchy name..who doesn´t want to be a warrior"?

 

I don´t consider people "SJW". If they label themself or support them than it´s clear isn´t it? I don´t run around and claim that people are "SJW" thats stupid and to be honest i don´t care that much. I only care if they try to meddle in things that i care about. We are on the Obsidian forum and Pillars got that treatment. You know the headstones? Their argument was completely baselss. They don´t try to discuss things, they accuse, try to change, censor material that doesn´t go with their extreme view point. That is just crying about nothing and trying to force on people your viewpoint.

 

Being an open mind (with faults..), that goes against my fundemental viewpoint that no matter what, you should always be able to express yourself without censorship. And yes, they too have the right to say "thats sexist etc" they have the right to say it, but not the right to change said content by their will.

 

Also it helps when you actually have a point you can prove, which in the "SJW universe" is mostly not the case and they often get beaten down because their arguments have no basis.

 

As a side note: It also really pisses me off because these scum people have managed to turn the word "feminism" into a bad word again, there are many great women out there really trying to make a point, writing books, holding speeches and trying to bring something along that comes close to equality (a long process), which i absolutly agree with, instead of some twitter ****, who just do this to spread hate, stress, violence, censorship and then cash in on their crowd funds when they have found enough idiots to support themselves.

 

They are throwing back any movement for years, they are doing nothing for that, and i don´t believe for one second that the a normal woman stands behind this..i don´t personaly know one who would support this ****.

 

/rant :D

 

I prefer people not to say rude things to me but the reality is I am often involved in controversial debates so its common. And no it doesn't bother me unless its from someone I respect on these forums. I don't tell people I'm a feminist anymore because you right it has now got a bad association IMO...I just tell people I support gender equality. Besides I always felt weird saying to people I met in RL " I'm a feminist..some people think you are just saying it to pander to women and sometimes I had women who laughed at me because they thought I was just saying it to score points  " 

 

 

Depends on your view of what rude is. Profanities are often what draws people into a disscuion..strange isn´t it? But then, there is nothing wrong with it and i´m not in an intellectual discussion with some linguistics And i clearly made my point of view about your comments in other threads very clear without telling you to **** off

 

Why would you say you are feminist..you could have easily said you are for equal rights. Thats what feminism in the first place stood for.

 

You don´t need to label yourself. I´m for feminism what it used to be, but today? **** no, Which is sad, because there are a lot (WAY MORE) great woman and men around who stand for equalitly. But that´s not exciting enough for the news. Conflict is better for news, thats why scum like Biranna Wu has a voice. And no she is scum. I will call her something else if any intelligent word comes out of her that is not meant to heat something up. She is just another "make money of sensation" person. If you believe that person cares about equality..you are naive.

 

You always defend victims of bigotry? Why? I don´t, they can defend themselfs. I don´t need to patronize them. Help them out maybe, but thats about it. They are not children.

 

GG....blabla..Alexaner is a horrible fraud. Cashed in on money from her supporters, never did something, made a lot of promises, even admiting on stage that she is a fraud and only writes what is needed. How is she still in your mind? She was just the springboard for equaly horrible perople like Wu.

 

This whole "wannabe" movement is a farce and nothing else. It has nothing to do with equality.

[BruceVC]

Oh I found what that forum she belongs to stands for, its not  about a dislike of men...but I can see it unintentionally  getting there. See below 

 

"This subreddit is for exposing the hate and bigotry of the so-called "men's rights movement." We comb the internet for egregious examples of hate and post them here -- whether it's cissexism, homophobia, or misogyny, it's posted here.

We are not against the concept of men's rights, we are against the "men's rights movement" --if it can even be called that " 

 

I can understand the reason but damn thats going to be one morbid forum considering the fact all they will raise is negative things ...so who will join this forum 

[cirdanx]

Oh I found what that forum she belongs to stands for, its not  about a dislike of men...but I can see it unintentionally  getting there. See below 

 

"This subreddit is for exposing the hate and bigotry of the so-called "men's rights movement." We comb the internet for egregious examples of hate and post them here -- whether it's cissexism, homophobia, or misogyny, it's posted here.

We are not against the concept of men's rights, we are against the "men's rights movement" --if it can even be called that " 

 

I can understand the reason but damn thats going to be one morbid forum considering the fact all they will raise is negative things ...so who will join this forum 

 

It will be all about hate in a few months...but who cares really...its a small forum on the internet..shrug?

[BruceVC]

 

Oh I found what that forum she belongs to stands for, its not  about a dislike of men...but I can see it unintentionally  getting there. See below 

 

"This subreddit is for exposing the hate and bigotry of the so-called "men's rights movement." We comb the internet for egregious examples of hate and post them here -- whether it's cissexism, homophobia, or misogyny, it's posted here.

We are not against the concept of men's rights, we are against the "men's rights movement" --if it can even be called that " 

 

I can understand the reason but damn thats going to be one morbid forum considering the fact all they will raise is negative things ...so who will join this forum 

 

It will be all about hate in a few months...but who cares really...its a small forum on the internet..shrug?

 

 

Yeah....you can already see the underlying animosity. Also what is the point of having a forum to discuss examples of bigotry ? Would it make you feel better to just vent ?

[cirdanx]

 

Yeah....you can already see the underlying animosity. Also what is the point of having a forum to discuss examples of bigotry ? Would it make you feel better to just vent ?

 

Hating about "insert x" here. Thats the point of it and has always been the reason. Now it´s reddit, 10 years ago it was a forum and 15 years ago you ranted away on your blog.

 

*shrug* That will always be around. I don´t care as long as you leave me alone or try to censor what i consume. Censorship is never a solution.

[Deadly_Nightshade]

r00fles!

 

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[Fighter]

Well Bruce I appreciate that you at least see some validity people's reactions to the whole thing.

 

Oh I found what that forum she belongs to stands for, its not  about a dislike of men...but I can see it unintentionally  getting there. See below 

 

"This subreddit is for exposing the hate and bigotry of the so-called "men's rights movement." We comb the internet for egregious examples of hate and post them here -- whether it's cissexism, homophobia, or misogyny, it's posted here.

We are not against the concept of men's rights, we are against the "men's rights movement" --if it can even be called that " 

 

I can understand the reason but damn thats going to be one morbid forum considering the fact all they will raise is negative things ...so who will join this forum 

 

I think this forum is a great idea. I appreciate the opportunity to see what's in people's heads. I'm sure they'll show everyone how "different" they are from the people they say they criticize.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Fighter

[BruceVC]

Well Bruce I appreciate that you at least see some validity people's reactions to the whole thing.

 

Oh I found what that forum she belongs to stands for, its not  about a dislike of men...but I can see it unintentionally  getting there. See below 

 

"This subreddit is for exposing the hate and bigotry of the so-called "men's rights movement." We comb the internet for egregious examples of hate and post them here -- whether it's cissexism, homophobia, or misogyny, it's posted here.

We are not against the concept of men's rights, we are against the "men's rights movement" --if it can even be called that " 

 

I can understand the reason but damn thats going to be one morbid forum considering the fact all they will raise is negative things ...so who will join this forum 

 

I think this forum is a great idea. I appreciate the opportunity to see what's in people's heads. I'm sure they'll show everyone how "different" they are from the people they say they criticize.

 

Well Bruce I appreciate that you at least see some validity people's reactions to the whole thing.

 

Oh I found what that forum she belongs to stands for, its not  about a dislike of men...but I can see it unintentionally  getting there. See below 

 

"This subreddit is for exposing the hate and bigotry of the so-called "men's rights movement." We comb the internet for egregious examples of hate and post them here -- whether it's cissexism, homophobia, or misogyny, it's posted here.

We are not against the concept of men's rights, we are against the "men's rights movement" --if it can even be called that " 

 

I can understand the reason but damn thats going to be one morbid forum considering the fact all they will raise is negative things ...so who will join this forum 

 

I think this forum is a great idea. I appreciate the opportunity to see what's in people's heads. I'm sure they'll show everyone how "different" they are from the people they say they criticize.

 

This forum highlights just how hurt and bitter people can become and then the only way they can respond to what they perceive is a gender attack    it is to create a " venting " forum to discuss how terrible men are. 

 

I feel sad for the people who actively would support this because its just  going to create more distance and  misunderstanding. And I'm not patronizing them, I really feel sorry for them that this is  what they  feel is a valid response and for them this is a real emotion . Imagine logging on and  reading daily examples of how sexist and bigoted men are....and then discussing it ...day after day 

[Bartimaeus]

I'm going to ignore everything but the initial post that started this: she is not a moderator of that subreddit.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Well Bruce I appreciate that you at least see some validity people's reactions to the whole thing.

 

Oh I found what that forum she belongs to stands for, its not  about a dislike of men...but I can see it unintentionally  getting there. See below 

 

"This subreddit is for exposing the hate and bigotry of the so-called "men's rights movement." We comb the internet for egregious examples of hate and post them here -- whether it's cissexism, homophobia, or misogyny, it's posted here.

We are not against the concept of men's rights, we are against the "men's rights movement" --if it can even be called that " 

 

I can understand the reason but damn thats going to be one morbid forum considering the fact all they will raise is negative things ...so who will join this forum 

 

I think this forum is a great idea. I appreciate the opportunity to see what's in people's heads. I'm sure they'll show everyone how "different" they are from the people they say they criticize.

 

Erm... wat.

[Bartimaeus]

I think his point was that the sort of people that make/inhabit websites/subreddits for targeting/criticizing a specific type of people in a very particular way such as that subreddit does don't usually adhere to the highest of ethical/moral standards themselves, and often engage in behavior identical or at least similar to that which they supposedly abhor in the people they're targeting/criticizing. In my experience of these kinds of subreddits (regardless of who they're actually about), I couldn't say that would seem completely baseless...

Edited July 15, 2015 by Bartimaeus

[aluminiumtrioxid]

I think his point was that the sort of people that make/inhabit websites/subreddits for targeting/criticizing a specific type of people in a very particular way such as that subreddit does don't usually adhere to the highest of ethical/moral standards themselves, and often engage in behavior identical or at least similar to that which they supposedly abhor in the people they're targeting/criticizing. In my experience of these kinds of subreddits (regardless of who they're actually about), I couldn't say that would seem completely baseless...

 

I dunno, in my experience, the kind of people whose favored pastimes include a mockery of MRAs generally tend towards more of the "point and laugh" variety instead of the "torches and pitchforks" crowd. (And make no mistake, MRAs richly deserve being mocked.)

[Fighter]

I'm not really getting into this. Only to say that, nope, plenty of those feminist people are viscous harpies and hypocrites and richly deserve to be called out. But it's not politically correct to even suggest that they've got that problem so they get a complete pass unlike anyone who even dare suggest there is anything under the sun that's unfair to men.

[BruceVC]

I'm not really getting into this. Only to say that, nope, plenty of those feminist people are viscous harpies and hypocrites and richly deserve to be called out. But it's not politically correct to even suggest that they've got that problem so they get a complete pass unlike anyone who even dare suggest there is anything under the sun that's unfair to men.

Actually the best thing is just ignore them, why do you want to stoop to there level ?

What would that achieve? Unless you feel you need to settle some score which really seems pointless?

[Fighter]

Actually the best thing is just ignore them, why do you want to stoop to there level ?

 

What would that achieve? Unless you feel you need to settle some score which really seems pointless?

 

I'm really just speaking my mind. Not following any kind of strategy.

 

Honestly I think despite of how self assured they feel in their righteousness people will eventually get fed up with the bizarre aspects of what they are so far able to push through.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Fighter