BruceVC Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Homosexuals enjoy their gay pride, isolation would be like a holiday. If you think that argument bit more you find that it really don't hold any closer scrutiny. And even if we leave all sense, logic and decently behind us, how do you even begin to plan actual isolation of population group which members can born to any family in any social, economical, ethnic, religious, cultural, etc. group that there are and they don't have any visible marks or clear test that would reveal their sexual orientation. And in this your isolation system do bisexual had to decide between living with other people or living isolation or is it based on some random system? I don't think it's possible, but if they stopped advertising this rainbow low caliber clothing 'style of gay', and forcing down our throats with sad stories and aggressive feminine ( but from a male ) attitudes, making us all look like an abomination. I'd have no problem, not even patronizing homosexuality, if the majority of them stopped being this stupid. They can live happily without a lisp, they can live happily without feminine acting. It's not a thing that comes with gay, feminine acting and general sexual stupidity ( promoting it like porn in daylight - "I'm here in daylight because I have sex with men, and there's hundreds of us, you should join in" ). To be honest, all emotions aside for a second, it's unnecessary and making us look weak and abnormal, begging for combat. It's also provocative for a lot of people are homophobic and it's even broadcast now. They get so much attention, they've reached the peak now surely. I would HATE to see it carry on from this point, gay-pride, but sure be gay. Out of curiosity, how many gay people have you actually met in person? Because I've met a couple handfuls and none of them acted like the popular TV / pride parade stereotype. In fact, most of them hated the stereotype much more vehemently than you do. My uncle is homosexual and I'm bisexual, and I've met straight acting gays. I don't mean to be insulting, as bad as it sounds... Gay pride causes problems for people who want to be civil and normal, unique, acting, who perhaps have, what I find peace calling, "abnormal sexuality". Okay fair enough...but I still don't get your objection to Pride? Are you saying people don't like Gay Pride because of the all the theatrics and people acting silly ? Yes. My second reason is that gay is educated ( which I can't confirm, but take over "there is no answer", with all the other answers ). Interesting enough I use to have this exact same debate with a good gay friend of mine who refused to go to Pride..he said he felt the gay people made a mockery of themselves and all it did was great homophobia because people would look at the TV and see all these weird people in wedding dresses acting stupid I felt he was wrong and said to him that anyone who sees Pride on TV and judges the gay people are homophobic anyway so there is no need to worry about those people ...Pride is about the symbolism that it is okay to be gay..and we should celebrate it due to all the homophobia in the world "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
s13ep Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Homosexuals enjoy their gay pride, isolation would be like a holiday. If you think that argument bit more you find that it really don't hold any closer scrutiny. And even if we leave all sense, logic and decently behind us, how do you even begin to plan actual isolation of population group which members can born to any family in any social, economical, ethnic, religious, cultural, etc. group that there are and they don't have any visible marks or clear test that would reveal their sexual orientation. And in this your isolation system do bisexual had to decide between living with other people or living isolation or is it based on some random system? I don't think it's possible, but if they stopped advertising this rainbow low caliber clothing 'style of gay', and forcing down our throats with sad stories and aggressive feminine ( but from a male ) attitudes, making us all look like an abomination. I'd have no problem, not even patronizing homosexuality, if the majority of them stopped being this stupid. They can live happily without a lisp, they can live happily without feminine acting. It's not a thing that comes with gay, feminine acting and general sexual stupidity ( promoting it like porn in daylight - "I'm here in daylight because I have sex with men, and there's hundreds of us, you should join in" ). To be honest, all emotions aside for a second, it's unnecessary and making us look weak and abnormal, begging for combat. It's also provocative for a lot of people are homophobic and it's even broadcast now. They get so much attention, they've reached the peak now surely. I would HATE to see it carry on from this point, gay-pride, but sure be gay. Out of curiosity, how many gay people have you actually met in person? Because I've met a couple handfuls and none of them acted like the popular TV / pride parade stereotype. In fact, most of them hated the stereotype much more vehemently than you do. My uncle is homosexual and I'm bisexual, and I've met straight acting gays. I don't mean to be insulting, as bad as it sounds... Gay pride causes problems for people who want to be civil and normal, unique, acting, who perhaps have, what I find peace calling, "abnormal sexuality". Okay fair enough...but I still don't get your objection to Pride? Are you saying people don't like Gay Pride because of the all the theatrics and people acting silly ? Yes. My second reason is that gay is educated ( which I can't confirm, but take over "there is no answer", with all the other answers ). Interesting enough I use to have this exact same debate with a good gay friend of mine who refused to go to Pride..he said he felt the gay people made a mockery of themselves and all it did was great homophobia because people would look at the TV and see all these weird people in wedding dresses acting stupid I felt he was wrong and said to him that anyone who sees Pride on TV and judges the gay people are homophobic anyway so there is no need to worry about those people ...Pride is about the symbolism that it is okay to be gay..and we should celebrate it due to all the homophobia in the world And when all the homophobia is suppressed to an extent, Gay Pride carries on as a sort of clubbers event. The people behind it aren't as beautiful minded as the concept. King of Kings Lord of Lords
Blarghagh Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Gay pride causes problems for people who want to be civil and normal, unique, acting, who perhaps have, what I find peace calling, "abnormal sexuality". Good lord is there a giant [citation needed] hanging over that one. The people who can't deal with it are the problem, not the people who do it.
s13ep Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Gay pride causes problems for people who want to be civil and normal, unique, acting, who perhaps have, what I find peace calling, "abnormal sexuality". Good lord is there a giant [citation needed] hanging over that one. The people who can't deal with it are the problem, not the people who do it. Really? But we have to walk into social circles that judge us by our immediate image ( as in interviews ), our immediate image is stupidity... All this multicolored tint stuff going about right now is going to annoy me, if it wasn't for the good speech from someone smart, it wouldn't have turned out so great for homosexuals. I'd have to walk among jokes, the pressures have been explained before by me ( it was a house at the time, now it's ruins ), it's not so easy to tackle pressures and there are arguments saying most psychological problems are social born. Edited June 30, 2015 by s13ep King of Kings Lord of Lords
BruceVC Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Gay pride causes problems for people who want to be civil and normal, unique, acting, who perhaps have, what I find peace calling, "abnormal sexuality". Good lord is there a giant [citation needed] hanging over that one. The people who can't deal with it are the problem, not the people who do it. Really? But we have to walk into social circles that judge us by our immediate image ( as in interviews ), our immediate image is stupidity... All this multicolored tint stuff going about right now is going to annoy me, if it wasn't for the good speech from someone smart, it wouldn't have turned out so great for homosexuals. I'd have to walk among jokes, the pressures have been explained before by me ( it was a house at the time, now it's ruins ), it's not so easy to tackle pressures and there are arguments saying most psychological problems are social born. Do you think the people who dress up at events like Pride would act the same way in an interview for example ? What do you mean by "it wouldn't have turned out so great for homosexual " "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
s13ep Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Gay pride causes problems for people who want to be civil and normal, unique, acting, who perhaps have, what I find peace calling, "abnormal sexuality". Good lord is there a giant [citation needed] hanging over that one. The people who can't deal with it are the problem, not the people who do it. Really? But we have to walk into social circles that judge us by our immediate image ( as in interviews ), our immediate image is stupidity... All this multicolored tint stuff going about right now is going to annoy me, if it wasn't for the good speech from someone smart, it wouldn't have turned out so great for homosexuals. I'd have to walk among jokes, the pressures have been explained before by me ( it was a house at the time, now it's ruins ), it's not so easy to tackle pressures and there are arguments saying most psychological problems are social born. Do you think the people who dress up at events like Pride would act the same way in an interview for example ? What do you mean by "it wouldn't have turned out so great for homosexual " I will never like Gay Pride but I'll listen to what you have to say. No I don't but it doesn't change anything, no matter how academically intelligent they are they are never wise ( doing Pride ). It wouldn't be so comfortable at this second - and I'd like to mention I've been comfortable with my sexuality for a while, because I often stand my ground and grew up around many heterosexual friends ( who were the sons and daughters of hardened criminals or veterans of my town ). I guess there's an element of luck and that's why I support the mental health of homosexuals. I don't get any abuse at all, but I always have to clean up after Pride makes a statement - and by this I mean anticipating social life, battling 'demons in my head' so to speak prior to actually going anywhere. "I'm not like this - not everyone is kind - life is unfair...". If you're going to do it for the rest of humanity, then don't make the statement as if it's the 'style of gay', but rather the 'style of pride'. Edited June 30, 2015 by s13ep King of Kings Lord of Lords
Meshugger Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Just to make sure that i am following here: It's about the image conveyed by pride that you do not like, because you (or society?) find the values abhorrent? If so, which values/image are you talking about? "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
s13ep Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Just to make sure that i am following here: It's about the image conveyed by pride that you do not like, because you (or society?) find the values abhorrent? If so, which values/image are you talking about? A civilized man, a professional acting man. King of Kings Lord of Lords
Meshugger Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Okay "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
BruceVC Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Just to make sure that i am following here: It's about the image conveyed by pride that you do not like, because you (or society?) find the values abhorrent? If so, which values/image are you talking about? A civilized man, a professional acting man. Meshugger I'm going to give you my understanding of what s13ep is trying to say because I have been through all of this with my gay friends and its hard to understand if you don't spend time breaking down the big issues Oh and this doesn't necessarily apply s13ep..this is what I realized about my gay friends and long discussions with them Its only been the last 10-12 years or so (?) that gay rights have really been respected in many Western countries. Previously members of the LGBT community were and are still discriminated against on different levels in society. This has lead to many gay people from different generations who don't like to draw attention to themselves and paradoxically are overly critical of other gay peoples behavior...particularly the more flamboyant personalities So for them Pride is an embarrassment because they see it as drawing too much attention and generally too much criticism. I understand this can be based on a jaded view around the fact they don't think society will ever truly accept them and also its a defensive mechanism I respect that decision but I think its misplaced as there are many places in the world that are really becoming more progressive and I firmly believe in supporting the LGBT cause "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Elerond Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Prides are very similar to other festivals, conventions, etc. where people that share something in common gather to spent time, have fun and share information about that thing that they have common. Which means that there are people that share that commonality but don't like said gatherings, at least any that they know and even some that hope that they would not exists because they think that other people will associate people's behaviors from those gatherings to them. Rights of sexual minorities are sky rocketed and large number of people, in many countries majority of people, not just tolerate but actually accept and support sexual minorities right to exists, and also common thinking about homosexuality has changed from unnatural-, abnormal- , vile-, dangerous-, indecent-, etc. behavior to that homosexuality is normal-, natural-, decent-, etc. behavior after prides have become common place and know things in those countries. Also how sexual minorities are portrayed in media has changed lot (it isn't stereotyped as much, it isn't shown as dangerous behavior that leads individuals doom, but instead it is become additional trait of characters that don't necessary define them and spectrum of sexual minority characters have become larger and more nuanced) and become more common. Meaning that it is quite easy to argue that at least prides haven't generally hurt sexual minorities rights or caused people see them in just one way. 1
Nonek Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 Personally I was surprised to hear about this announcement, I assumed that it had already happened years ago. Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot!
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