Voltron Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) So question in thread- what is your experiance in completing 1-15 Endless Path solo on PotD, TC or not (doesnt matter) with particular class? From my experience that I can share- current OSA retalitation Fire/Moon Barbarian was able to kill every pack of mobs/bosses in Endless Path. Of course Adra was killed with petrify trap. Who of you, who played solo PotD with your class/build was able to kill everything solo in Endless Paths? Please share in short class/build, gear and tactics. Most important thing is in EP- how were you able to fight with packs of mobs who perma-stun/paralyze you? Retal barb was easy, since no matter of CC, he was doing AOE DPS. I know that gochargers2156 did it with Wizard on solo PotD. Please share you experience. Edited April 26, 2015 by Voltron [POE1] Nirvana Monk build- Tank/DPS monk for soloing PotD and Endless Paths. High anti CC build. [POE2] Sword Singer build - Tank/DPS War Caller or Herald build for solo PotD. High melee dmg, summons, + super tanky [POE2] BURN BABY BURN! - Solo PotD Ultimate burning/fire NUKE Votary build with superb AOE/Single Target flame and burn damage. [POE2] BLEAK HUNTRESS. Solo PotD Holy Slayer ranged sniper assassin build.
Raven Darkholme Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Retaliation lets EVERY class deal with mobs somehow, I used a cipher for example. The real interesting question is how to solo the dragon without petrify, I think if its possible paladin is the one to do it, due to being able to get max Reflex def. Chanter can ofc avoid tanking the dragon and kill without petrify too. My twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/victorcreed_twitch My youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/VictorCreedGaming
gkathellar Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 A sufficiently minmaxed wild orlan paladin can beat the dragon. If I'm typing in red, it means I'm being sarcastic. But not this time. Dark green, on the other hand, is for jokes and irony in general.
MadDemiurg Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Cipher, Chanter, Wizard - for sure. Priest, Druid - untested but likely. Tactics heavily depend on the class. For chanter it's kite with speed chant and block paths with summons for instance. Wiz is mostly about essential phantom and counter CC. Cipher - kiting & confuse to let mobs kill each other or figurines + amplified wave or retaliation tanking + mind lance depending on the mobs. Btw, how did you avoid melee petrify mobs like crystal spiders form oneshotting you on a barb? You deal retaliate damage, but at x4 damage done to you that hardly even matters. Edited April 26, 2015 by MadDemiurg
Kaylon Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 I can confirm a wild orlan paladin can tank and outlast absolutely anything in the Endless Path. However he kills things very slowly if you don't use scrolls. I don't know yet if a ranger can kill everything (the conditions would be to find places where you can run around an kite all day long/your pet can block the path to the ranger, while the ranger stunlocks the mob in front of the pet/tank enough using summons), but I can confirm a ranger can kill the adra dragon because he can use binding roots and kill him while he stays out of the range of his attacks.
MadDemiurg Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) I can confirm a wild orlan paladin can tank and outlast absolutely anything in the Endless Path. However he kills things very slowly if you don't use scrolls. I don't know yet if a ranger can kill everything (the conditions would be to find places where you can run around an kite all day long/your pet can block the path to the ranger, while the ranger stunlocks the mob in front of the pet/tank enough using summons), but I can confirm a ranger can kill the adra dragon because he can use binding roots and kill him while he stays out of the range of his attacks. Don't binding roots have an attack roll and duration though? Having doubts that ranger would be able to land it consistently enough. Base acc 63 + 12 level + 10 vicious aim + 10 potion = 100. Bout 30% miss chance. Also, how would you do any damage? Even arbalest would mostly just tingle the dragon. Edited April 26, 2015 by MadDemiurg
dododad Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Priest can kill Adra without resorting to petrify. It's possible to stuck the dragon by summoning a creature, and then casting Withdraw on it in right choke spot. Then the hardest thing is getting rid of his helpers.
Blovski Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) I can confirm a wild orlan paladin can tank and outlast absolutely anything in the Endless Path. However he kills things very slowly if you don't use scrolls. I don't know yet if a ranger can kill everything (the conditions would be to find places where you can run around an kite all day long/your pet can block the path to the ranger, while the ranger stunlocks the mob in front of the pet/tank enough using summons), but I can confirm a ranger can kill the adra dragon because he can use binding roots and kill him while he stays out of the range of his attacks. Don't binding roots have an attack roll and duration though? Having doubts that ranger would be able to land it consistently enough. Base acc 63 + 12 level + 10 vicious aim + 10 potion = 100. Bout 30% miss chance. Also, how would you do any damage? Even arbalest would mostly just tingle the dragon. +5 Marksman, +5 Wood Elf, I think Eldritch Aim Potion's +15? Targets Reflex, which is the Adra Dragon's worst defence. Base Duration is 30s and you get 5/rest. Three Envenomed Strikes with a high-damage weapon would get you some of the way. Beyond that, you've got probably 2 minutes to just wail on the dragon. I expect it'd work out alright. Edited April 26, 2015 by Blovski
Voltron Posted April 26, 2015 Author Posted April 26, 2015 Please I would like this thread to be kept in its main purpouse- which is clearing Endless Path 1-15- NOT TALKING TACTIC FOR KILLING ADRA DRAGON. There is another thread or 2 specify for Adra Dragon killing. I would like here to know class and build capable of clearing every mob pack in Endless Dragon 1-15. Cipher, Chanter, Wizard - for sure. Priest, Druid - untested but likely. Tactics heavily depend on the class. For chanter it's kite with speed chant and block paths with summons for instance. Wiz is mostly about essential phantom and counter CC. Cipher - kiting & confuse to let mobs kill each other or figurines + amplified wave or retaliation tanking + mind lance depending on the mobs. Btw, how did you avoid melee petrify mobs like crystal spiders form oneshotting you on a barb? You deal retaliate damage, but at x4 damage done to you that hardly even matters. Ow, yes I forgot Chanter. This class can easly get Endless Path done (easy mean as easy as this achievement is for every other class). Crystal Spiders and every other paralyze/petrify mobs are pain even for retal barb. Sanguine plus Sura plus regen potion plus stack might, iron skin potion and Potion of Llengrath's Displaced Image. I had a lot of stealth so what I did was to get close, run inside pack of mobs (or lure them to part of area where I can be surrounded or bottleneck) and immiediety hit Stalwark Defiance, AOE Terrify from shout, buff and well...retaliate. I stacked as much Endurance and Condition as I could, since I knew that Defensives rolls won't help me much (even with 120 Fort/Will they still CC me...) Defiance plus regen potion did the job, debuff around was also nice. I was loosing health like mad, but also gaining it. Mostly mobs just nuked themselfs since it was like 5 hits for every mob around in first few seconds 30-50 each, and then fire from Battle Forged. I also had Second Chance ring on me. Also boots Shod-in-Faith help here. You can also try to nuke them with Jolting Touch from Animmancer boots but I wanted to keep it safe. Ow I went there level 12 mind me, so I that also matters. Moon god like would have it easier really. OSA might be broken but if they fix it- barb has nothing to do in solo PotD then. OSA is the only thing that make him good really. Shame, but thats reality. For example I don't think Monk could solo spiders or vithracks. You need ton of CC or insane AOE DPS for them. Although somebody here said that he did EPs with Orlan Paladin. I wonder then what was his tactic for crystal spiders and Vithracks. [POE1] Nirvana Monk build- Tank/DPS monk for soloing PotD and Endless Paths. High anti CC build. [POE2] Sword Singer build - Tank/DPS War Caller or Herald build for solo PotD. High melee dmg, summons, + super tanky [POE2] BURN BABY BURN! - Solo PotD Ultimate burning/fire NUKE Votary build with superb AOE/Single Target flame and burn damage. [POE2] BLEAK HUNTRESS. Solo PotD Holy Slayer ranged sniper assassin build.
MadDemiurg Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) I can confirm a wild orlan paladin can tank and outlast absolutely anything in the Endless Path. However he kills things very slowly if you don't use scrolls. I don't know yet if a ranger can kill everything (the conditions would be to find places where you can run around an kite all day long/your pet can block the path to the ranger, while the ranger stunlocks the mob in front of the pet/tank enough using summons), but I can confirm a ranger can kill the adra dragon because he can use binding roots and kill him while he stays out of the range of his attacks. Don't binding roots have an attack roll and duration though? Having doubts that ranger would be able to land it consistently enough. Base acc 63 + 12 level + 10 vicious aim + 10 potion = 100. Bout 30% miss chance. Also, how would you do any damage? Even arbalest would mostly just tingle the dragon. +5 Marksman, +5 Wood Elf, I think Eldritch Aim Potion's +15? Targets Reflex, which is the Adra Dragon's worst defence. Base Duration is 30s and you get 5/rest. Three Envenomed Strikes with a high-damage weapon would get you some of the way. Beyond that, you've got probably 2 minutes to just wail on the dragon. I expect it'd work out alright. Marksman doesn't work with spells, the potion is 5 more, yeah, wood elf would give another 5, so probably 10 higher. Still not convinced. Plus you have the ads to deal with as well. Please I would like this thread to be kept in its main purpouse- which is clearing Endless Path 1-15- NOT TALKING TACTIC FOR KILLING ADRA DRAGON. There is another thread or 2 specify for Adra Dragon killing. I would like here to know class and build capable of clearing every mob pack in Endless Dragon 1-15. Cipher, Chanter, Wizard - for sure. Priest, Druid - untested but likely. Tactics heavily depend on the class. For chanter it's kite with speed chant and block paths with summons for instance. Wiz is mostly about essential phantom and counter CC. Cipher - kiting & confuse to let mobs kill each other or figurines + amplified wave or retaliation tanking + mind lance depending on the mobs. Btw, how did you avoid melee petrify mobs like crystal spiders form oneshotting you on a barb? You deal retaliate damage, but at x4 damage done to you that hardly even matters. Ow, yes I forgot Chanter. This class can easly get Endless Path done (easy mean as easy as this achievement is for every other class). Crystal Spiders and every other paralyze/petrify mobs are pain even for retal barb. Sanguine plus Sura plus regen potion plus stack might, iron skin potion and Potion of Llengrath's Displaced Image. I had a lot of stealth so what I did was to get close, run inside pack of mobs (or lure them to part of area where I can be surrounded or bottleneck) and immiediety hit Stalwark Defiance, AOE Terrify from shout, buff and well...retaliate. I stacked as much Endurance and Condition as I could, since I knew that Defensives rolls won't help me much (even with 120 Fort/Will they still CC me...) Defiance plus regen potion did the job, debuff around was also nice. I was loosing health like mad, but also gaining it. Mostly mobs just nuked themselfs since it was like 5 hits for every mob around in first few seconds 30-50 each, and then fire from Battle Forged. I also had Second Chance ring on me. Also boots Shod-in-Faith help here. You can also try to nuke them with Jolting Touch from Animmancer boots but I wanted to keep it safe. Ow I went there level 12 mind me, so I that also matters. Moon god like would have it easier really. OSA might be broken but if they fix it- barb has nothing to do in solo PotD then. OSA is the only thing that make him good really. Shame, but thats reality. For example I don't think Monk could solo spiders or vithracks. You need ton of CC or insane AOE DPS for them. Although somebody here said that he did EPs with Orlan Paladin. I wonder then what was his tactic for crystal spiders and Vithracks. Paladin can have crazyass ref and fort for dealing with Adra. So crystal won't be able to land petrify on him. Vithracks are another story however, as they attack will with extremely high accuracy, and you can't max out all 3 saves. So they're more problematic but probably doable with heavy scroll usage. Edited April 26, 2015 by MadDemiurg
Voltron Posted April 26, 2015 Author Posted April 26, 2015 I can confirm a wild orlan paladin can tank and outlast absolutely anything in the Endless Path. However he kills things very slowly if you don't use scrolls. I don't know yet if a ranger can kill everything (the conditions would be to find places where you can run around an kite all day long/your pet can block the path to the ranger, while the ranger stunlocks the mob in front of the pet/tank enough using summons), but I can confirm a ranger can kill the adra dragon because he can use binding roots and kill him while he stays out of the range of his attacks. Ranger is mistery for me also. He has awesome CC- binding roots, which target Reflex, which is not so hight defense in game like Fortitude or Deflection and can deal a lot of damage. What bother me is his pet. Is for example bear enough to tank some non-petrify mobs and pet is also pain- if it dies- you get a lot of penalties for it. I just tried monk level 11 in EPs and yea- retalitation on monk is not that hight and moon like help however being perma CC-ed in melee combat is pain, since it is almost impossible to dish out enough damage if you are perma-paralyze/stun. Maybe it can be done but I doubt that monk can do it. [POE1] Nirvana Monk build- Tank/DPS monk for soloing PotD and Endless Paths. High anti CC build. [POE2] Sword Singer build - Tank/DPS War Caller or Herald build for solo PotD. High melee dmg, summons, + super tanky [POE2] BURN BABY BURN! - Solo PotD Ultimate burning/fire NUKE Votary build with superb AOE/Single Target flame and burn damage. [POE2] BLEAK HUNTRESS. Solo PotD Holy Slayer ranged sniper assassin build.
Voltron Posted April 26, 2015 Author Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) I can confirm a wild orlan paladin can tank and outlast absolutely anything in the Endless Path. However he kills things very slowly if you don't use scrolls. I don't know yet if a ranger can kill everything (the conditions would be to find places where you can run around an kite all day long/your pet can block the path to the ranger, while the ranger stunlocks the mob in front of the pet/tank enough using summons), but I can confirm a ranger can kill the adra dragon because he can use binding roots and kill him while he stays out of the range of his attacks. Don't binding roots have an attack roll and duration though? Having doubts that ranger would be able to land it consistently enough. Base acc 63 + 12 level + 10 vicious aim + 10 potion = 100. Bout 30% miss chance. Also, how would you do any damage? Even arbalest would mostly just tingle the dragon. +5 Marksman, +5 Wood Elf, I think Eldritch Aim Potion's +15? Targets Reflex, which is the Adra Dragon's worst defence. Base Duration is 30s and you get 5/rest. Three Envenomed Strikes with a high-damage weapon would get you some of the way. Beyond that, you've got probably 2 minutes to just wail on the dragon. I expect it'd work out alright. Marksman doesn't work with spells, the potion is 5 more, yeah, wood elf would give another 5, so probably 10 higher. Still not convinced. Plus you have the ads to deal with as well. Please I would like this thread to be kept in its main purpouse- which is clearing Endless Path 1-15- NOT TALKING TACTIC FOR KILLING ADRA DRAGON. There is another thread or 2 specify for Adra Dragon killing. I would like here to know class and build capable of clearing every mob pack in Endless Dragon 1-15. Cipher, Chanter, Wizard - for sure. Priest, Druid - untested but likely. Tactics heavily depend on the class. For chanter it's kite with speed chant and block paths with summons for instance. Wiz is mostly about essential phantom and counter CC. Cipher - kiting & confuse to let mobs kill each other or figurines + amplified wave or retaliation tanking + mind lance depending on the mobs. Btw, how did you avoid melee petrify mobs like crystal spiders form oneshotting you on a barb? You deal retaliate damage, but at x4 damage done to you that hardly even matters. Ow, yes I forgot Chanter. This class can easly get Endless Path done (easy mean as easy as this achievement is for every other class). Crystal Spiders and every other paralyze/petrify mobs are pain even for retal barb. Sanguine plus Sura plus regen potion plus stack might, iron skin potion and Potion of Llengrath's Displaced Image. I had a lot of stealth so what I did was to get close, run inside pack of mobs (or lure them to part of area where I can be surrounded or bottleneck) and immiediety hit Stalwark Defiance, AOE Terrify from shout, buff and well...retaliate. I stacked as much Endurance and Condition as I could, since I knew that Defensives rolls won't help me much (even with 120 Fort/Will they still CC me...) Defiance plus regen potion did the job, debuff around was also nice. I was loosing health like mad, but also gaining it. Mostly mobs just nuked themselfs since it was like 5 hits for every mob around in first few seconds 30-50 each, and then fire from Battle Forged. I also had Second Chance ring on me. Also boots Shod-in-Faith help here. You can also try to nuke them with Jolting Touch from Animmancer boots but I wanted to keep it safe. Ow I went there level 12 mind me, so I that also matters. Moon god like would have it easier really. OSA might be broken but if they fix it- barb has nothing to do in solo PotD then. OSA is the only thing that make him good really. Shame, but thats reality. For example I don't think Monk could solo spiders or vithracks. You need ton of CC or insane AOE DPS for them. Although somebody here said that he did EPs with Orlan Paladin. I wonder then what was his tactic for crystal spiders and Vithracks. Paladin can have crazyass ref and fort for dealing with Adra. So crystal won't be able to land petrify on him. Vithracks are another story however, as they attack will with extremely high accuracy, and you can't max out all 3 saves. So they're more problematic but probably doable with heavy scroll usage. Yup, but ONCE you are petrify- you are done against spiders. Retal Bard can nuke them with OSA plus Carnage even beng CC'ed, but Paladin? I wonder if Fighter couldn't get higher defensive rolls then Pala. Moon Like pala sounds nice... How high defensives you need to be able to deal with Spiders or Vithracks CC? Edited April 26, 2015 by Voltron [POE1] Nirvana Monk build- Tank/DPS monk for soloing PotD and Endless Paths. High anti CC build. [POE2] Sword Singer build - Tank/DPS War Caller or Herald build for solo PotD. High melee dmg, summons, + super tanky [POE2] BURN BABY BURN! - Solo PotD Ultimate burning/fire NUKE Votary build with superb AOE/Single Target flame and burn damage. [POE2] BLEAK HUNTRESS. Solo PotD Holy Slayer ranged sniper assassin build.
MadDemiurg Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Don't remember the spiders acc, but I'm pretty sure pala can have 100% resist against spiders. Vithracks - not so much, since you'll probably dump int on a tank. Fighter is out of the competition really, he can only buff up his defenses for a short time to be on par and even then paladin can buff them further with a scroll. But given the abysmally low damage of tanks "short time" won't cut it.
Voltron Posted April 26, 2015 Author Posted April 26, 2015 Don't remember the spiders acc, but I'm pretty sure pala can have 100% resist against spiders. Vithracks - not so much, since you'll probably dump int on a tank. Fighter is out of the competition really, he can only buff up his defenses for a short time to be on par and even then paladin can buff them further with a scroll. But given the abysmally low damage of tanks "short time" won't cut it. Not that I doubt- but if that is the case- why so many people say that Paladins are garbage in this game. I mean being able to solo Endless Paths for me is best to show which class rocks, which do not. If Paladin can outlast Endless Paths- then why people still say that they suck. I do not understand this... :/ [POE1] Nirvana Monk build- Tank/DPS monk for soloing PotD and Endless Paths. High anti CC build. [POE2] Sword Singer build - Tank/DPS War Caller or Herald build for solo PotD. High melee dmg, summons, + super tanky [POE2] BURN BABY BURN! - Solo PotD Ultimate burning/fire NUKE Votary build with superb AOE/Single Target flame and burn damage. [POE2] BLEAK HUNTRESS. Solo PotD Holy Slayer ranged sniper assassin build.
MadDemiurg Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Don't remember the spiders acc, but I'm pretty sure pala can have 100% resist against spiders. Vithracks - not so much, since you'll probably dump int on a tank. Fighter is out of the competition really, he can only buff up his defenses for a short time to be on par and even then paladin can buff them further with a scroll. But given the abysmally low damage of tanks "short time" won't cut it. Not that I doubt- but if that is the case- why so many people say that Paladins are garbage in this game. I mean being able to solo Endless Paths for me is best to show which class rocks, which do not. If Paladin can outlast Endless Paths- then why people still say that they suck. I do not understand this... :/ Game is not balanced for solo - In party paladin generally contributes much less than other classes. Even more so if you would use the tank build with dumped int, since support abilities are almost null with this. Plus it takes a lot of min/maxing and maxed level to get there. Until then paladin solo is a huge pain in the ass. I think they've got to do smth with defense mechanics if they raise the level cap - since overstacking would become even easier then. Edited April 26, 2015 by MadDemiurg
Eos Posted April 26, 2015 Posted April 26, 2015 Don't remember the spiders acc, but I'm pretty sure pala can have 100% resist against spiders. Vithracks - not so much, since you'll probably dump int on a tank. Fighter is out of the competition really, he can only buff up his defenses for a short time to be on par and even then paladin can buff them further with a scroll. But given the abysmally low damage of tanks "short time" won't cut it. Not that I doubt- but if that is the case- why so many people say that Paladins are garbage in this game. I mean being able to solo Endless Paths for me is best to show which class rocks, which do not. If Paladin can outlast Endless Paths- then why people still say that they suck. I do not understand this... :/ In the end, the turtle outran the hare, but no one would use that as an example and say that a turtle is a good runner, now would they?
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