Constantine

[Leferd]

Wasn't as bad as people are making it out to be. I'm in.

[Sarex]

Wasn't as bad as people are making it out to be. I'm in.

 

^And I didn't even particulary care for the comic.

 

Though I have to admit that I LOVED Keanu Reeve's Constantine.

[Leferd]

 

Wasn't as bad as people are making it out to be. I'm in.

 

 

^And I didn't even particulary care for the comic.

 

Though I have to admit that I LOVED Keanu Reeve's Constantine.

Keanu is no John Constantine, but it was actually a pretty good movie in its own right.

 

...

 

From the pilot itself, I like the subtle nods to his punk rocker roots and that Dr. Fate reference. They may not explicitly show him smoking, but he sure plays around with his Zippo a lot.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

From the pilot itself, I like the subtle nods to his punk rocker roots and that Dr. Fate reference. They may not explicitly show him smoking, but he sure plays around with his Zippo a lot.

 

 

Yeah, those were cool.

 

On the other hand, the magic's waaaaayyyyy too flashy, and John's not really the bastard I'd like him to be. Also, I find him kicking up such a fuss about a little girl quite hilarious, given that the comics incarnation has no qualms about chopping up a newborn with a fire axe.

[Blarghagh]

My favourite part is where he threatened someone into working with him. That was interesting. I want to see more of that.

 

I think the creators of this show need to take a good look at what made early House episodes so popular. This isn't a story about a hero.

Edited October 28, 2014 by TrueNeutral

[Raithe]

Well, historically the whole thing with Astra was a major significant part of Constantine and what made him Constantine if I recall correctly.

 

And the original pilot had him sending her 20 blocks out of her way to see that murder scene in an attempt to manipulate her into working with him. They just flipped it since they decided the girl wouldn't work in the long run. So that was much more of the manipulative bastard aspect then comes out in the reshoot.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Well, historically the whole thing with Astra was a major significant part of Constantine and what made him Constantine if I recall correctly.

 

And the original pilot had him sending her 20 blocks out of her way to see that murder scene in an attempt to manipulate her into working with him. They just flipped it since they decided the girl wouldn't work in the long run. So that was much more of the manipulative bastard aspect then comes out in the reshoot.

 

Yeah, yeah.

 

Still, a Constantine reciting christian prayers in anything but a sarcastic voice, and groveling before an angel isn't a Constantine I'm familiar with.

[WildWild-Horses]

Almost all Pilots are horrid, it could improve.

[Leferd]

Turns out he is a smoker afterall.

[Sarex]

Seen ep.2, definitely like it so far. Though it is pretty similar to early seasons of Supernatural.

[Keyrock]

Episode 2 was better than the pilot, in my opinion.  There's definitely a lot of room for improvement, but hopefully the standard rising becomes a trend.  If so, I'm in.

[Blarghagh]

Liked it better than episode one indeed, but still not great.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

On one hand, it was better than the pilot. On the other hand, basically anything could've been better than the pilot.

 

Also, "there is nothing blacker than gypsy magic". Dafuq John?

[Keyrock]

Well, I thought episode 3 was the best yet.  Still not particularly good, but at least it's progress.  At least they're starting to work in some semblance of an overarching plot and not just having a self-contained procedural every week.  Or maybe that's just the optimist in me that wants that to be the case?  If nothing else, it was good to see Papa Midnite introduced into the show.  The pacing of the show needs a lot of work, though.

Edited November 10, 2014 by Keyrock

[Leferd]

I wouldn't mind if they explore further with other occult figures.

 

Zatanna, The rest of the Trenchcoat Brigade (Dr. Occult, Phantom Stranger), Dr. Fate, Jason Blood, Savage, etc.

 

And most definitely Swamp Thing.

 

..still, I'd like to see him bluff more, rather than be overt with his magic.

[LadyCrimson]

So, has this gotten any better?

 

I watched the pilot ... keep in mind I don't read the comics so I don't have those expectations ... and mostly I found it boring. Didn't hate it - just not very interesting/attention grabbing in any way. Lead actor portrayal was kinda bleh for me but I don't know if it's the actor or the direction/script.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

So, has this gotten any better?

 

I watched the pilot ... keep in mind I don't read the comics so I don't have those expectations ... and mostly I found it boring. Didn't hate it - just not very interesting/attention grabbing in any way. Lead actor portrayal was kinda bleh for me but I don't know if it's the actor or the direction/script.

 

Ep 4. was a pretty decent adaptation of the very first Hellblazer story, given the limitations. John is sleazily manipulating his friend into willingly becoming a demon vessel instead of sacrificing him just because he's at hand, but otherwise it's a mostly faithful adaptation with some semi-decent horror sequences.

 

Ep 3. is also a step up from the quality of the godawful pilot, but then again, almost anything would have been. Still, I recommend starting with 4.

[LadyCrimson]

Hm. I'll try it again via eps. 4 then, thanks.

 

Edit: wait, maybe I should put that pic elsewhere.

[pseudonymous]

It's good for a show on NBC.

[Keyrock]

So, has this gotten any better?

 

I watched the pilot ... keep in mind I don't read the comics so I don't have those expectations ... and mostly I found it boring. Didn't hate it - just not very interesting/attention grabbing in any way. Lead actor portrayal was kinda bleh for me but I don't know if it's the actor or the direction/script.

It's gotten steadily slightly better each episode, which is a good trend.  It's got tons of room to improve, though.

[Keyrock]

Well, several good things happened in tonight's episode:

 

• The introduction of Jim Corrigan
• Character development for Zoe and Papa Midnite
• This: 

[Bryy]

It's good for a show on NBC.

No, it's not.

 

It's so bad.

 

Soooooooooooo bad.

[Drowsy Emperor]

Hellblazer had a few dozen decent episodes. Horrendous art though, as with most Vertigo comics. 

[Leferd]

 

It's good for a show on NBC.

 

No, it's not.

 

It's so bad.

 

Soooooooooooo bad.

Nah. I like it.

[Keyrock]

At this point, it's not a great show, by any stretch of the imagination, but it has improved enough from the rather poor pilot that I'm sticking with it.  It's decent enough to get me invested in it, is what I'm saying.