Walsingham Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 It's a good question, Bruce. I think the entire concept of intimidating/terrifying large groups of people for any strategic duration is completely bat**** mental. I mean when has it EVER worked*? It's not working for AlQ. It didn't work for the Allies bombing Nazi Germany. What's more baffling is that we thought it would work when we'd completely resisted the moral effects of the Blitz! If anything the Blitz only made Britain pull together more effectively. *NB I know it occasionally works against merchants/cliques of merchants. Viz the Anglo-Dutch wars. And arguably the jerries against the Low Countries. 2 "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augusta Corvina Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 It's a good question, Bruce. I think the entire concept of intimidating/terrifying large groups of people for any strategic duration is completely bat**** mental. I mean when has it EVER worked*? It's not working for AlQ. It didn't work for the Allies bombing Nazi Germany. What's more baffling is that we thought it would work when we'd completely resisted the moral effects of the Blitz! If anything the Blitz only made Britain pull together more effectively. *NB I know it occasionally works against merchants/cliques of merchants. Viz the Anglo-Dutch wars. And arguably the jerries against the Low Countries. It seems it never works as intended if the ones hit by it has something or someone(or both) they can rally behind. Especially if said something/someone is within their field of concern(such as their homes being bombed and invaded). I'm just guessing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 We are shocked because we find the very act of deliberately targeting unexpected civilians repugnant. People are still shocked about that, at this point ? Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Protagonist Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Four-day siege or four-day shopping spree? http://www.smh.com.au/world/kenyan-mall-looting-blamed-on-soldiers-20131004-2uymp.html More and more Kenyans believe those soldiers methodically cleaned out the mall, and that the barrages of gunfire ringing out for days were being directed not at the last of the militants but at safes and padlocks to blast them open. Some business leaders even question whether the Kenyan army deliberately prolonged the crisis by saying shooters were still in the building when they were actually dead, to give themselves extra time to steal. Laptops, smart phones, Swiss watches, cameras, underwear, perfume and stereo speakers were all carried out of the mall, which was supposed to be tightly guarded by the military A clean-up crew at one restaurant said that when the soldiers allowed them back in on Monday, the crew found hundreds of bottles of gin, brandy, rum, vodka and beer sitting on the bar. It looked like the scene of a fraternity party Parking machines and cash registers were pried open and emptied. A huge, mounted flat-screen television had been lifted off the wall. Doors were wrenched open, and in several stores that showed no obvious signs of having been caught up in the fighting, display cases were ransacked. Witness accounts have not suggested that the attackers broke into safes or stole anything of value. The mall’s surveillance cameras may have captured some of the looting, but Kenyan intelligence agents have taken the footage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
licketysplit Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Once the Kenyan soldiers went in, everything went to ****. That's what you get for employing low paid mercenaries for a highly specialized job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 Four-day siege or four-day shopping spree? http://www.smh.com.au/world/kenyan-mall-looting-blamed-on-soldiers-20131004-2uymp.html More and more Kenyans believe those soldiers methodically cleaned out the mall, and that the barrages of gunfire ringing out for days were being directed not at the last of the militants but at safes and padlocks to blast them open. Some business leaders even question whether the Kenyan army deliberately prolonged the crisis by saying shooters were still in the building when they were actually dead, to give themselves extra time to steal. Laptops, smart phones, Swiss watches, cameras, underwear, perfume and stereo speakers were all carried out of the mall, which was supposed to be tightly guarded by the military A clean-up crew at one restaurant said that when the soldiers allowed them back in on Monday, the crew found hundreds of bottles of gin, brandy, rum, vodka and beer sitting on the bar. It looked like the scene of a fraternity party Parking machines and cash registers were pried open and emptied. A huge, mounted flat-screen television had been lifted off the wall. Doors were wrenched open, and in several stores that showed no obvious signs of having been caught up in the fighting, display cases were ransacked. Witness accounts have not suggested that the attackers broke into safes or stole anything of value. The mall’s surveillance cameras may have captured some of the looting, but Kenyan intelligence agents have taken the footage. What a disgrace if its true, I can believe it is very possible. Especially if you consider the fact that the intention of Al-Shabaab is not to rob stores but to cause maximum carnage for political reasons "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Reminds me of the time the Israeli army targeted the terror cell of the Palestinian SAT test, forcing students to resit. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 We have a saying. One person's death is another person's bread. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 We have a saying. One person's death is another person's bread. Who's "we"? The Ankh-Morpork guild of assassins? 3 "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 We have a saying. One person's death is another person's bread. Who's "we"? The Ankh-Morpork guild of assassins? "The Ankh-Morpork guild of assassins" "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rostere Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Well, I know that saying from Swedish. "Den enes död är den andres bröd". 1 "Well, overkill is my middle name. And my last name. And all of my other names as well!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I think all Germanic languages may share that saying. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 **** it. I'm becoming a mercenary. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
licketysplit Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) So the U.S Navy Seals are conducting a raid on AL-Shabaab. I wouldn't want that heat coming my way. http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/05/world/africa/somalia-us-shabaab-raid/ Edited October 6, 2013 by licketysplit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 So the U.S Navy Seals are conducting a raid on AL-Shabaab. I wouldn't want that heat coming my way. http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/05/world/africa/somalia-us-shabaab-raid/ Good article, the more I see the usage of special forces the more it makes sense. No announcements, no wrangling in the UN security council and no public over-analysis of the objective. Just a quick raid and quiet success or failure. Of course there will still be times for conventional "boots on the ground" but the current special force military strategy is effective. "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
licketysplit Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I was practically applauding the move. No BS, just get the job done and let people whine about it afterwards. If the attack was a multi-national offense, which seems to be the case, then this counter offensive makes perfect sense. Teach the bastards a lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 I was practically applauding the move. No BS, just get the job done and let people whine about it afterwards. If the attack was a multi-national offense, which seems to be the case, then this counter offensive makes perfect sense. Teach the bastards a lesson. Yeah I hear you. In most cases you'll find the USA still gets permission from the government of the country that they send the special forces into but this way there is no need for UN security council involvement. It definitely makes sense in many scenarios. Especially in the African context "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I suspect that small scale actions like this are tacitly accepted by the Security Council members. I've heard a lot of scuttle about the Chinese in this area. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I suspect that small scale actions like this are tacitly accepted by the Security Council members. I've heard a lot of scuttle about the Chinese in this area. Somalia and the pirates are an annoyance to everybody. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I suspect that small scale actions like this are tacitly accepted by the Security Council members. I've heard a lot of scuttle about the Chinese in this area. Somalia and the pirates are an annoyance to everybody. A multi-billion dollar, environmentally serious (due to extra emissions on transport) hazard. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthe Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I suspect that small scale actions like this are tacitly accepted by the Security Council members. I've heard a lot of scuttle about the Chinese in this area. Somalia and the pirates are an annoyance to everybody. A multi-billion dollar, environmentally serious (due to extra emissions on transport) hazard. That's what I just said. You're a cheery wee bugger, Nep. Have I ever said that? Reapercussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Well, there's obyknven annoyance, and there's the kind of annoyance that moves Industry. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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