Canadian Election

[Humodour]

Awesome.

[Walsingham]

Awesome.

 

Largely as a conseuqence of listening to counter-arguments on this forum, I've been re-examining socialism. Being nice to others is not actually what happens when it's enacted. Knackering things is what happens. I don't think that's awesome.

[Oerwinde]

This is the first time the Liberals have been in 3rd place in the history of the party. I don't see Ignatieff surviving as leader of the party with him leading them to the worst defeat they've ever seen. They need a leader like Cretien. He had a great speech the other day about how when he was first elected in 1963 Canada had no pension plan, no medicare, no flag, no national anthem, the constitution was a British act of Parliament, and no charter of rights. Now these are all things that define Canada and the Liberal party was responsible for it all(With help from the NDP on the medicare). If the Liberals had someone like that giving speeches like that from the beginning of the election we could be looking at the Liberals back in power, and thats a party that Harper can't attack their economic record. Especially since they've been taking credit for their accomplishments since day one.

 

Personally I think the best thing to come out of this is it looks like the NDP will replace the Bloc in Quebec. Rejecting every federal party did nothing but further alienate Quebeckers from the rest of Canada.

 

I think an NDP minority government could be fantastic. They would have the Liberals and Conservatives keeping their spending in check, though more likely the Conservatives would just act like the Republicans and shoot down good ideas simply because they didn't come up with them.

[Humodour]

Awesome.

 

Largely as a conseuqence of listening to counter-arguments on this forum, I've been re-examining socialism. Being nice to others is not actually what happens when it's enacted. Knackering things is what happens. I don't think that's awesome.

 

Don't be a retard. Socialism is a huge spectrum. Every Western country has a 'socialist' opposition party. In some countries it is really ****, in others really awesome. Canada's NDP party is quite awesome. 'Socialism' is just a tag word that people like to throw around so they can put things in neat tiny boxes and start judging them based on labels instead of substance.

[Malcador]

NDP minority will probably fall at the first budget. Amazing job he's done suckering Quebec to support him though.

[Humodour]

NDP minority will probably fall at the first budget. Amazing job he's done suckering Quebec to support him though.

 

I'm too busy admiring the fact that you quote Dijkstra to care about what you're saying.

[Oerwinde]

NDP minority will probably fall at the first budget. Amazing job he's done suckering Quebec to support him though.

 

If the vote turns out the way the polls are looking, a combined Liberal/NDP vote could achieve a majority of votes. As the NDP and Liberal platforms are essentially the same in this election, and Layton has a rep for working with the other parties, I'm sure the Liberals could talk down their spending and still achieving much of what they wish to accomplish.

[Oerwinde]

So Sun News Network went on the air like a week or two ago. Its essentially Fox News Canada, only with production values about equivalent to Weekend Update. Anyway, they've kept pretty quiet about the election so far, but on friday they broke an exclusive that an unnamed source has evidence that Jack Layton was in a massage parlour when it was raided 16 years ago. At the time he was a city councilor fighting police abuse of power and the source is cited as one of the officers who raided the place. It was a licensed facility and his trip was documented in his schedule and ran by his wife.

 

Methinks the conservatives are getting desperate with the NDP closing in on them.

[Malcador]

Heh, saw a funny smear on his wife wanting the CSIS head gone for saying China had infiltrated the Canadian government. She's Chinese. Lucky, Layton promises to change politics so stuff like that never happens, also end world hunger and cure cancer. Excusing that lame smear, I really hope she loses though, detest the woman and she barely beat Innis last election, so here's hoping.

[Oerwinde]

Conservatives are really fighting dirty now. They had radio ads going every half hour claiming the NDP Carbon Tax will raise gas prices by 10 cents a litre. Not only do the NDP not plan a carbon tax, but the cap and trade system they propose will not be applied to fuel companies until they have a regulatory board in place to regulate gas prices. The source they cite in the ad refers to a guy who retracted his statement two days ago because he based it on incorrect information. But since the election is tomorrow by the time anyone points this out the election will be over. The Cons are some pretty big scumbags when it comes to the lies they tell in their ads. We need a review board to fact check election ads before they're allowed to be aired. Anyone else who broadcasts this stuff can be sued for false advertising.

[Walsingham]

Just heard that some of our work is being frozen thanks to these shenanigans. Sort it out, you damn frostbacks!

[Malcador]

The Conservatives (well after they were hijacked by Reformers) are pretty much scumbags all round

[Malcador]

Heh, NDP opposition. What will change ? Ehhh, not much.

 

Bwahahahaha! Tory majority. Seriously, a government in contempt of Parliament, several members accused of corruption and they GAIN votes. And Canadians call Americans stupid

Edited May 3, 2011 by Malcador

[Volourn]

People getting butthurt not voting the way they want them too. It proves that people don't really believe in democracy.

 

Anyways, wouldn't have minded a NDP gov't; but thankfully the liberals, greens, and parti quuebcois are all laughing stocks. R00fles!

 

I don't agree with Harper and the Conservatives on everything but hey, that's life.

 

 

"a government in contempt of Parliament"

 

Parliament is untrustworthy.

 

 

"several members accused of corruption and they GAIN votes"

 

All parties have 'corrupt' members.

 

Bottom line is the Cosnervatives have been in semi power the past 5 years and despite the overall economic downfall in the world, Kanada has held its own pretty solidly. It's tiem for the Conservatives to show what the are or ar enot capable of with a majority. They've earned that.

 

The Liberals earned being laughed at by having someone as stupid and pathetic as Iggy as their leader.

[Malcador]

Parliament is untrustworthy ? Interesting to state that given our system of government. Then again, you're in Tory country, so figures, heh. Glad I voted Green. I don't mind Ignatieff, better than the Reformer wearing blue we have as PM. Although I hesitate to ask why he's stupid and pathetic to you.

 

You Canadians are indeed funny people.

Edited May 3, 2011 by Malcador

[Humodour]

Bwahahahaha! Tory majority. Seriously, a government in contempt of Parliament, several members accused of corruption and they GAIN votes. And Canadians call Americans stupid

 

My thoughts exactly.

[Oerwinde]

Don't blame me, I voted NDP. But yeah, the Cons have like 10x the scandals than the Martin Liberals did, and they Gain. It shows that lots of money spent on lies spoken in a doomsday voice can win elections.

[Walsingham]

I think the only way to avoid corruption is to have a big bloodletting every few years where the main Old Guard get turfed out and stand away from politics.

 

Note that this simply doesn't happen under prop rep, where party machines decide who actually actually mans the portion of the vote.

[Humodour]

I think the only way to avoid corruption is to have a big bloodletting every few years where the main Old Guard get turfed out and stand away from politics.

 

Note that this simply doesn't happen under prop rep, where party machines decide who actually actually mans the portion of the vote.

 

Not in preferentially elected single-member seats.

[Walsingham]

I think the only way to avoid corruption is to have a big bloodletting every few years where the main Old Guard get turfed out and stand away from politics.

 

Note that this simply doesn't happen under prop rep, where party machines decide who actually actually mans the portion of the vote.

 

Not in preferentially elected single-member seats.

 

You do get longstanding MPs, but - and here's the clever bit - it's usually because they're likeable and hardworking. Maybe not to everyone nationally, but locally.

[Wrath of Dagon]

IMO, Canadians very sensibly voted for continued economic well being. Really the Canadian record over the past few years has been quite extraordinary, being able to escape the morass almost every other Western economy sank into.

[Volourn]

"I don't mind Ignatieff,"

 

Ignatieff is a punk. This is a guy who claims to be all about Kanada yet had fun voting in other country's election. This is a guy who is sod esperateb to be elader who would spit on the democractic voting of Kanadians. This is a guy that claimed he wanted to work with the NDP to overthrow the Conservatives but the moment it was clear he would get get less votes then the NDP he spent his time bashing the NDP. The guys is a big fat failure.

 

What's funny is I'm not Conservative. Out of the half dozen times I'v voted (I'd on't vote all the time including this year), I've voted Conservative once. I was a big fan of Chritien. Liberals simply haven't had a worthy leader since him. In this election, they got what they deserved.

 

Only dumb Kanadians voted Liberal or Green, only bigoted Kanadians voted for the Quebecois, only cool Kanadians voted for the NDP, only smart Kanadians voted for the Conservatives, and only polityically savvy Kanadians passed on voting this time.

 

R00fles!

[Oerwinde]

IMO, Canadians very sensibly voted for continued economic well being. Really the Canadian record over the past few years has been quite extraordinary, being able to escape the morass almost every other Western economy sank into.

 

Yes, because Paul Martin regulated the banking system so it didn't collapse like everyone elses and he paid down the debt so we weren't overwhelmed with it like everyone else. The Conservatives keep getting credited for Paul Martin's accomplishments. The Liberals are the only party with a strong economic track record.

 

And Volourn: Yes, the Liberals need another Cretien. Iggy just didin't cut it, but little known fact, every Canadian has the right to vote in the UK as long as they've resided there for 6 months prior to an election, same as here. I don't get why Iggy got flack for exercising his right to vote.

[Walsingham]

How is it politically savvy to not vote at all, you mentalist?

[Volourn]

" Iggy just didin't cut it, but little known fact, every Canadian has the right to vote in the UK as long as they've resided there for 6 months prior to an election, same as here. I don't get why Iggy got flack for exercising his right to vote."

 

 

Just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it the morally right thing to do.

 

That preacher who burned the qua'ran had the right do it but it certaily wasn't the cool thing to do. Iggy claims to be Kanandian, and all about Kanada - so much so he ran for PM - perhaps he should concentrate on Kanadian politics and not British ones.

 

 

 

"How is it politically savvy to not vote at all, you mentalist?"

 

You just aren't politically savvy enough to know. I'm not an edcuater so no educating for you.