Tiberian Sun & Firestorm

[RPGmasterBoo]

Engineers + NOD Subterranian APC = ruin

 

*Btw a friend of mine's playing C&C4 multiplayer beta - he's addicted to it like its crack.

 

I'm eagerly awaiting to see how Kane's plot is going to finish.

Edited February 16, 2010 by RPGmasterBoo

[Purkake]

Kane's plots never finish. He's "died" like four times now?

 

The engineer rush is too true and the AI keeps doing it constantly in some missions.

[Pidesco]

That doesn't make the old games any worse or replace them.

 

That's like not being able to play Doom anymore because Modern Warfare 2 exists.

 

It's still possible to play Doom and enjoy it nowadays, of course, but that doesn't change the fact that it has literally been improved upon in all areas by newer first person shooters.

 

Fallout or Torment or Deus Ex or System Shock or Thief, on the other hand, are still as good as it gets in certain well defined respects.

[Purkake]

Doom is a completely different game from any modern shooter. It's a completely different experience. Just like playing Company of Heroes isn't anything like playing Red Alert 1.

 

Why can't they coexist like Torment and Mask of the Betrayer? You don't play MotB because it has replaced Torment.

Edited February 16, 2010 by Purkake

[Pidesco]

Doom is a completely different game from any modern shooter. It's a completely different experience. Just like playing Company of Heroes isn't anything like playing Red Alert 1.

 

The core gameplay of Painkiller or even Half Life is still the same as Doom's.

 

Why can't they coexist like Torment and Mask of the Betrayer? You don't play MotB because it has replaced Torment.

 

 

MotB hasn't replaced Torment, because it's a fairly different game, with different gameplay focus and design, and a different plot. It's not better, it's different.

[Purkake]

So playing Painkiller is exactly the same as playing Doom?

 

I don't play Doom because I want to play an FPS, I play it because I want to play Doom, a unique(well along with Heretic and Doom 2) experience.

 

Games do not automatically replace each other when a newer one comes out in the same genre(or sub-genre). Well, except for all the sports games with a year in the name.

Edited February 16, 2010 by Purkake

[Pidesco]

So playing Painkiller is exactly the same as playing Doom?

 

I don't play Doom because I want to play an FPS, I play it because I want to play Doom, an unique(well along with Heretic and Doom 2) experience.

 

 

It's not exactly the same, it's better. It's Doom with better controls, better graphics, better sound, better enemies and better weapons

[Purkake]

I strongly disagree, but I guess it's an opinion, so we can agree to disagree.

[Pidesco]

Games do not automatically replace each other when a newer one comes out in the same genre(or sub-genre). Well, except for all the sports games with a year in the name.

 

I'm not saying games replace one another. I'm saying that, for certain games you have options. In fact not only do you have options but you have better options.

 

For other games, there are no options. If you want to play a game like Thief, today, Thief is still, literally, your only option.

[Pidesco]

I strongly disagree, but I guess it's an opinion, so we can agree to disagree.

 

 

What makes you disagree, exactly?

[Purkake]

I strongly disagree, but I guess it's an opinion, so we can agree to disagree.

 

 

What makes you disagree, exactly?

I'm saying that Painkiller(just an example) is not a "better" experience than Doom, it's a different one.

 

I don't eat an apple when I want an orange, or even a tangerine, to make a better comparison.

[Pidesco]

How is it different?

[Purkake]

The graphics, sounds, controls, weapons the overall feel are all different. Sure, in the end, you're shooting lots of monsters in both, but they are completely different experiences.

 

Have you actually played both?

 

I can see playing a Doom remake in the Quake 3 engine instead of the original, but not another game when I want to play Doom. It just doesn't make any sense.

Edited February 16, 2010 by Purkake

[Pidesco]

I have played both. I finished Doom, even.

 

They are not completely different experiences. Completely different experiences would be, say, Myst and Civilization.

 

Other than for nostalgia's sake, I'll probably never play Doom again.

[Purkake]

Ok, different enough.

 

Anyway, would you never go back to Civilization 2 or 3 when you have 4? Does 4 make all the previous ones obsolete?

[Pidesco]

Ok, different enough.

 

Anyway, would you never go back to Civilization 2 or 3 when you have 4? Does 4 make all the previous ones obsolete?

 

I wouldn't say obsolete, but 4 did introduce certain benefits I can't live without, nowadays. Even if I spent more time with Civ 1 than with any other Civ.

 

Still, there are a lot more game design differences between each Civ game than between Painkiller and Doom. Mainly because Painkiller and Doom's systems are much, much simpler.

[Purkake]

I really don't see this discussion going anywhere. Maybe someone else has some striking insights?

 

Until then, we just seem to have radically different perspectives in this particular case.

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

I strongly disagree, but I guess it's an opinion, so we can agree to disagree.

This entire forum in a nutshell.

[Majek]

TS is still as fun to me as it was 10 years ago and now i can play it at 1920x1200 :D so i have almost a whole map on the screen.

And yes NOD artillery was very accurate but they did nerf it in Firestorm. And TS has one big advantage over RA2, it has a game speed slider for SP. RA2 runs almost too fast on newer computers and you can't slow it down.

 

I play both over LAN with my sister and father when we're bored. Good fun.

[Deraldin]

TS is still as fun to me as it was 10 years ago and now i can play it at 1920x1200 :D so i have almost a whole map on the screen.

And yes NOD artillery was very accurate but they did nerf it in Firestorm. And TS has one big advantage over RA2, it has a game speed slider for SP. RA2 runs almost too fast on newer computers and you can't slow it down.

 

I play both over LAN with my sister and father when we're bored. Good fun.

 

Tiberian Sun at 1920x1200? I have a sudden urge to load it up. Vanilla game support this? I think I actually have two copies of TS floating around here, but no Firestorm, if you don't count The First Decade.

[Majek]

I'm playing First Decade with that community 1.03 patch.

 

As for the resolution." Go to your gamedir, and edit sun.ini. Find these lines:

 

[Video]

ScreenWidth=xxxx

ScreenHeight=xxx

StretchMovies=no

 

 

Edit the values of ScreenWidth and ScreenHeight to set your resolution. I strongly recommend setting StretchMovies to yes. Note that the game uses 16 bit color, and if your system can handle a specific resolution at 32 bit color but not 16 bit color, it will not run at that resolution."

[RPGmasterBoo]

BTW other CnC titles have been released for free download includinc CnC 1 and RA1.

 

http://www.commandandconquer.com/classic

 

A win for EA.

Edited February 16, 2010 by RPGmasterBoo