Mass Effect 2 Discussion

[Nepenthe]

Don't be so shallow, Nepenthe. Look at her personality - she's an Ice Queen. You have to look past the epic boobage. And bootage. And glorious camel toe...dammit, she can stay, she can stay!

 

I actually think that she's a reasonably well-crafted NPC (given the short time she has to develop and the amount of development she does - no pun intended), a fairly interesting character with top-notch voice acting - especially considering that Strahotski is not a professional VO artist like Jennifer Hale.

 

The fact that the love of my life is a hot-bodied brunette scientist may also have something to do with my opinion.

[jaguars4ever]

I took Legion to the Citadel... nobody seemed to care about it... but maybe it's because my Shepard went all Renegade in ME1.

 

Talk to the Citadel Security/Receptionist in the dock area when you have Legion..

 

Shep : "Why is security so heavy?"

C-Sec: "We're cracking down to prevent Geth infiltration."

Legion: "Geth do not infiltrate"

C-Sec: "Please be aware that mobile recording units are not allowed on ..."

 

I was surprised Anderson had a pot-shot at Legion. Seems the poor guy can't get a break.

[Raithe]

I do kind of wish that if they're going to let you troll around the universe after finishing the suicide mission... that there'd be at least some recognition by certain people that you'd just done that. I mean you just get the same old dialogue choices for Aria, Anderson...

How much would it have taken to have put in something there? Apart from taking Legion around to see what reactions people get to a Geth... there just doesn't seem any real immersive flow to doing any missions or such afterwards..

[jaguars4ever]

I do kind of wish that if they're going to let you troll around the universe after finishing the suicide mission... that there'd be at least some recognition by certain people that you'd just done that. I mean you just get the same old dialogue choices for Aria, Anderson...

How much would it have taken to have put in something there? Apart from taking Legion around to see what reactions people get to a Geth... there just doesn't seem any real immersive flow to doing any missions or such afterwards..

Definitely. This was a little disappointing by Bio on this aspect. Personally, I find very little post-campaign motivation to continue playing when there is little post-campaign acknowledgment by the rest of the NPCs. I'd much rather just start a new campaign. Sure, your buddies chimed in their 2-cents, but I guess I was expecting something more in the vein of Fallout 2.

 

On the bright side, you're able to invite Tali back to your cabin for nookie & cuddles.

[Nepenthe]

I do kind of wish that if they're going to let you troll around the universe after finishing the suicide mission... that there'd be at least some recognition by certain people that you'd just done that. I mean you just get the same old dialogue choices for Aria, Anderson...

How much would it have taken to have put in something there? Apart from taking Legion around to see what reactions people get to a Geth... there just doesn't seem any real immersive flow to doing any missions or such afterwards..

 

Me too. Hope they fix this with dlc. My guess is we'll be hearing of something big(ger) after Awakening hits.

[213374U]

Does it sound like this guy is a good leader?

Just checked. Everyone loyal, Legion tech specialist, Zaeed 2nd fireteam leader. Result: Legion gets acquainted with a Collector missile. =/

 

Funny, because when you pick him, Miranda says "well, at least he knows what he's doing" - Zaeed is discreetly mute...

 

 

I actually think that she's a reasonably well-crafted NPC (given the short time she has to develop and the amount of development she does - no pun intended), a fairly interesting character with top-notch voice acting - especially considering that Strahotski is not a professional VO artist like Jennifer Hale.

The VO work is pretty good overall, and Miranda is no exception. It's really jarring though that the only voice actor I find myself constantly facepalming at is the one that voices... maleShep. Maybe it's because he's the one that has the most lines, or maybe a perception that "it's not how I would have said it". I'll have to try femShep sometime.

 

As for Miranda... I'm going to be really disappointed if it turns out in ME3 that she's more loyal to Shep than Cerberus. Cold-hearted calculating manipulative bitch FTW!

[Chrisimo]

As for Miranda... I'm going to be really disappointed if it turns out in ME3 that she's more loyal to Shep than Cerberus. Cold-hearted calculating manipulative bitch FTW!

 

She already is at the end of ME2 depending on your choices.

[Raithe]

As for Miranda... I'm going to be really disappointed if it turns out in ME3 that she's more loyal to Shep than Cerberus. Cold-hearted calculating manipulative bitch FTW!

 

That's the real reason for romancing Miranda... seducing her away from Cerberus to loyalty to you..

[Nepenthe]

Does it sound like this guy is a good leader?

Just checked. Everyone loyal, Legion tech specialist, Zaeed 2nd fireteam leader. Result: Legion gets acquainted with a Collector missile. =/

 

Funny, because when you pick him, Miranda says "well, at least he knows what he's doing" - Zaeed is discreetly mute...

 

I'm pretty sure that Miranda's feedback to the choice at that stage is basically inverse to how good the picked leader is. I know she's critical of Jacob, who can get the job done for sure.

 

Well, apart from the fact that she suggests herself for the position first, being one of the good choices. Guess there's a reason Shepard's the leader and not Lawson.

[Chrisimo]

Does it sound like this guy is a good leader?

Just checked. Everyone loyal, Legion tech specialist, Zaeed 2nd fireteam leader. Result: Legion gets acquainted with a Collector missile. =/

 

Funny, because when you pick him, Miranda says "well, at least he knows what he's doing" - Zaeed is discreetly mute...

 

I'm pretty sure that Miranda's feedback to the choice at that stage is basically inverse to how good the picked leader is. I know she's critical of Jacob, who can get the job done for sure.

 

Well, apart from the fact that she suggests herself for the position first, being one of the good choices. Guess there's a reason Shepard's the leader and not Lawson.

 

When you pick Garrus she says the same as when you pick Zaeed.

[Nepenthe]

As for Miranda... I'm going to be really disappointed if it turns out in ME3 that she's more loyal to Shep than Cerberus. Cold-hearted calculating manipulative bitch FTW!

 

That's the real reason for romancing Miranda... seducing her away from Cerberus to loyalty to you..

 

yeah, and well, it's pretty clear from the dialogues that she's been getting the "Fox News" version of Cerberus activities while working on the science side. When

EDI gets full access

, it becomes pretty apparent that it's not just "splinter groups" within Cerberus that are, well, downright evil.

[Chrisimo]

As for Miranda... I'm going to be really disappointed if it turns out in ME3 that she's more loyal to Shep than Cerberus. Cold-hearted calculating manipulative bitch FTW!

 

That's the real reason for romancing Miranda... seducing her away from Cerberus to loyalty to you..

 

yeah, and well, it's pretty clear from the dialogues that she's been getting the "Fox News" version of Cerberus activities while working on the science side. When

EDI gets full access

, it becomes pretty apparent that it's not just "splinter groups" within Cerberus that are, well, downright evil.

 

I don't remember any specifics regarding evil Cerberus groups coming from EDI. I got general information about the number of groups, funding in general, etc. But no specifics about projects.

[213374U]

She already is at the end of ME2 depending on your choices.

You mean it couldn't possibly be that she's using Shep and pretending...?

 

Frankly, the prospect of a Mata Hari of sorts is more interesting to me than yet another not-evil-but-misguided character that returns to the light by virtue of Shep's Saving Grace.

 

 

yeah, and well, it's pretty clear from the dialogues that she's been getting the "Fox News" version of Cerberus activities while working on the science side. When

EDI gets full access

, it becomes pretty apparent that it's not just "splinter groups" within Cerberus that are, well, downright evil.

You mean

EDI's comment about Cerberus never keeping more ops than TIM can personally oversee

, right?

 

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Chrisimo]

She already is at the end of ME2 depending on your choices.

You mean it couldn't possibly be that she's using Shep and pretending...?

 

Frankly, the prospect of a Mata Hari of sorts is more interesting to me than yet another not-evil-but-misguided character that returns to the light by virtue of Shep's Saving Grace.

 

Of course it's possible but what would be the reason?

 

 

Even if you play as a renegade and give the impression that you really believe Cerberus is right she will criticize your decision to keep the base and if you choose to destroy it she doesn't try to stop you but quits with Cerberus.

Of course this may be all for show but that would just seem strange.

 

 

yeah, and well, it's pretty clear from the dialogues that she's been getting the "Fox News" version of Cerberus activities while working on the science side. When

EDI gets full access

, it becomes pretty apparent that it's not just "splinter groups" within Cerberus that are, well, downright evil.

You mean

EDI's comment about Cerberus never keeping more ops than TIM can personally oversee

, right?

 

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

I don't know if you were being sarcastic here because it doesn't make sense to me.

 

 

TIM wanting to have full control over the projects might be explained as a reaction to evil projects in the past. At least it could be explained to Miranda that way. No need to hide that information from her. Not that I believe that he wouldn't condone such 'evil' projects. He is pretty open about his motives and methods. 'at any cost' should be taken at face value

 

Edited February 12, 2010 by Chrisimo

[Guest The Architect]

Finished the game today. Best game ever. While, graphics aside, it wasn't outstanding in any area, it was still bloody good on all fronts, and that's why it's such a great game because it's got everything you could possibly want in a game in good all round standard.

 

Everyone survived my suicide mission in the end. I wasn't too fussed with getting rid of Jacob (I liked him I just wanted to kill him off because I'm an ****) or Miranda (she has certain... equipment, that might come in handy in ME3) anyway, and Jack can consider herself lucky since I picked the best choices for each task, although I bet even if I assigned her to lead the 2nd team, diversion team, handle the tech or biotic field, she still would've survived.

 

I suppose since Liara is the only party member in both ME games that can't be killed she's the only one who could return as a party member in ME3, and Ashley/Kaidan, depending on who you spared. Everyone else will just get cameos I bet.

 

And did I miss something or is it actually possible TIM could be the shadow broker? You can't tell me he isn't an intel magnet. And I don't know why but I can't help but escape the feeling he could be the final villain in ME3, where we'll see him put his implant modifications to use. I suspect when the Reapers are gone either paragon Shepard will have to stop TIM from controlling humanity/the galaxy through Cerberus, or renegade Shepard will try to overthrow TIM and take over humanity/the galaxy for himself/herself.

 

And Numbers Man, you're not the first person to not like male Shepard's voice acting, and as you said, I suppose if you're not carefree on whether you mind hearing someone else saying your lines rather than in your own head, you wouldn't like it, but if you were, it might just be the sternness and aggression in Shepard's delivery that's off putting, especially for the paragon players, but I think it's great and fits well for renegade Shepard especially, as this clip demonstrates.

Edited February 12, 2010 by The Architect

[Nepenthe]

yeah, and well, it's pretty clear from the dialogues that she's been getting the "Fox News" version of Cerberus activities while working on the science side. When

EDI gets full access

, it becomes pretty apparent that it's not just "splinter groups" within Cerberus that are, well, downright evil.

You mean

EDI's comment about Cerberus never keeping more ops than TIM can personally oversee

, right?

 

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

That's indeed what I meant. And if you check out the novels, it becomes pretty apparent that there have never been any "rogue splinter groups", and "any means necessary" tends to actually lean towards "the most brutal option", anyway.

[Chrisimo]

And did I miss something or is it actually possible TIM is the shadow broker? You can't tell me he isn't an intel magnet. And I don't know why but I can't help but escape the feeling he could be the final villain in ME3, where we'll see him put his implant modifications to use. I suspect when the Reapers are gone either paragon Shepard will have to stop TIM from controlling humanity/the galaxy through Cerberus, or renegade Shepard will try to overthrow TIM and take over humanity/the galaxy for himself/herself.

 

 

It is explained in the Comics that the Shadow Broker tries to get Shepard's dead body for the Collectors and TIM recruits Liara to work against the Shadow Broker and recover the body for Cerberus

 

 

And Numbers Man, you're not the first person to not like male Shepard's voice acting, and as you said, I suppose if you're not carefree on whether you mind hearing someone else saying your lines rather than in your own head, you wouldn't like it, but if you were, it might just be the sternness and aggression in Shepard's delivery that's off putting, especially for the paragon players, but I think it's great and fits well for renegade Shepard especially, as this clip demonstrates.

 

I think most people don't like his monotone voice and think he can't (voice)act because of that.

[Nepenthe]

I think most people don't like his monotone voice and think he can't (voice)act because of that.

 

I think even more people just don't like him and his voice in general, and try to objectify their subjective preferences by claiming he's not good.

[RPGmasterBoo]

Finished the game today. Best game ever.

 

[Chrisimo]

I think most people don't like his monotone voice and think he can't (voice)act because of that.

 

I think even more people just don't like him and his voice in general, and try to objectify their subjective preferences by claiming he's not good.

 

True...that happens very often when you don't like something. You try to find reasons to explain your dislike but even if those reasons are removed you still don't like it overall.

[Oner]

She already is at the end of ME2 depending on your choices.

You mean it couldn't possibly be that she's using Shep and pretending...?

 

Frankly, the prospect of a Mata Hari of sorts is more interesting to me than yet another not-evil-but-misguided character that returns to the light by virtue of Shep's Saving Grace.

Morrigan in DA? Kinda undermined in that she flat-out admit's it.

 

 

I don't know if you were being sarcastic here because it doesn't make sense to me.

Just a guess:

he meant that TIM having absolute control means he supervises the evil splinter groups too.

 

 

 

It is explained in the Comics that the Shadow Broker tries to get Shepard's dead body for the Collectors and TIM recruits Liara to work against the Shadow Broker and recover the body for Cerberus

Wouldn't be the first win-win gambit I've seen.

[Chrisimo]

I don't know if you were being sarcastic here because it doesn't make sense to me.

Just a guess:

he meant that TIM having absolute control means he supervises the evil splinter groups too.

 

 

Yeah, that's how I understood it, too. And that's what doesn't make sense.

 

 

 

Jack's loyalty mission shows a Cerberus group gone rogue from Cerberus. So the Illusive Man took direct control over the groups because of splinter groups like that. So that it doesn't happen again.

 

 

 

Anyway, I think it's possible that Miranda did not have a problem with the methods of those splinter groups and only changed her mind after seeing some of those things in person (you can see the same type of conflict with Mordin). Like someone might condone torture and changes his mind when he is present while someone is tortured.

Edited February 12, 2010 by Chrisimo

[213374U]

Of course it's possible but what would be the reason?

The reason would be, obviously, to earn Shep's trust and stay close to him. She is still TIM's hand-picked overseer for the Lazarus cell.

 

Good point about the Collectors' base, though. I did voice my opinion on how I'd like Miranda's character to develop in ME3... not how I expect it to.

 

 

And Numbers Man, you're not the first person to not like male Shepard's voice acting, and as you said, I suppose if you're not carefree on whether you mind hearing someone else saying your lines rather than in your own head, you wouldn't like it, but if you were, it might just be the sternness and aggression in Shepard's delivery that's off putting, especially for the paragon players, but I think it's great and fits well for renegade Shepard especially, as this clip demonstrates.

No, in fact it's the opposite. It's the "soft and sensitive" delivery of some lines that I find the most grating. Renegade is fairly good, methinks.

 

@Oner: haven't touched DA, nor do I intend to. Don't know about Morrigan.

 

RE Shadow Broker: the impression I get is that the SB is not a new player in the galactic scene, unlike humanity. This is not supported by facts, though, so it could be easily either way.

Edited February 12, 2010 by 213374U

[Chrisimo]

RE Shadow Broker: the impression I get is that the SB is not a new player in the galactic scene, unlike humanity. This is not supported by facts, though, so it could be easily either way.

 

Yes, that is my impression, as well. And it was mentioned by Barla Von that the Shadow Broker tries to keep the current power balance. That doesn't fit with Cerberus' motives. Of course it may just be a plot to get aliens or humans working for him.

[Raithe]

Yes, when you talk to the Volus in ME1 about the Shadow Broker you do get the heavy suggestion that the SB is heavily intwined in galactic politics, business, and crime on a lot of levels.... and everybody is used to it. Which suggests that the SB has been around a lot longer then the 10 odd years that humanity has been on the galactic scene...

 

Although TIM comes across as if he's going to be pulling xanatos gambits and even some xanatos roulette. I get the feeling he's spread out through the alliance and used the whole.. "humans are adaptable" to get into the flow of info on the other races.

There was some entry that mentioned how it was actually TIM who'd manipulated the Alliance/Turian agreement that created the original Normandy as an excuse to get a better look at Turian technology...