Oner Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 Never played JA2? For shame I played it, and hate it. Kill me with fire, plebs. I always wanted to play Giants: Citizen Kabuto, but never got around to. It's supposed to be really awesome. The only game where one can play as a blue, topless chick with a sword & bow (future BioWare games not included). There's also a giant wrestler dude and British humor, right? And YAN, THE SAMURAI SMARTIE! Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
Purkake Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 Never played JA2? For shame I played it, and hate it. Kill me with fire, plebs. I'm sure a pimped out FN P90 would do the job just fine Why do you hate it, though? It's certainly not for everyone, but hate is a strong word.
Oner Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) Never played JA2? For shame I played it, and hate it. Kill me with fire, plebs. I'm sure a pimped out FN P90 would do the job just fine Why do you hate it, though? It's certainly not for everyone, but hate is a strong word. For some reason the game seamed to "remember" enemy hits even after a save game. On one occasion, there was a field and 4-6 trees between us, so a good 10-20 rounds have gone by without anyone scoring a hit. I save the game, two rounds later one enemy hits the medic (I think she died too). So, load game, 2 rounds, and the medic gets hit again. Load game, again. And again and again and again. Apart from the above, it's not my kind of game. Edited September 8, 2009 by Oner Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
Purkake Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 Maybe they are using a lame randomizer? I can totally see your point, though. I don't really like racing/sports games with a few exceptions(Carmageddon, Flatout)
HoonDing Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 I can totally see your point, though. I don't really like racing/sports games with a few exceptions(Carmageddon, Flatout) BG&E & Giants have some fun racing mini-games. Pity there wasn't any beach volleyball, though. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Purkake Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 I can totally see your point, though. I don't really like racing/sports games with a few exceptions(Carmageddon, Flatout) BG&E & Giants have some fun racing mini-games. Pity there wasn't any beach volleyball, though. I hated the race part in BG&E. I'm just not good with limited time situations and I get easily frustrated after a couple of tries.
Guest Slinky Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 I'm just not good with limited time situations and I get easily frustrated after a couple of tries. Haha then you should try the time limited missions in GTA3. Brainspasm guaranteed
Purkake Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 I'm just not good with limited time situations and I get easily frustrated after a couple of tries. Haha then you should try the time limited missions in GTA3. Brainspasm guaranteed San Andreas was horrible enough. Ugh that toy airplane mission and the "don't scratch the car" type stuff drove me crazy.
alanschu Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) Maybe they are using a lame randomizer? I can totally see your point, though. I don't really like racing/sports games with a few exceptions(Carmageddon, Flatout) IIRC Jagged Alliance saves the random number generator's seed when you save your game. I believe this is working as designed to prevent people from trying to shoot someone, seeing the results, and saving/loading until you get a result that you want. At first glance, it seems like Oner doesn't like the game because it doesn't let him game/cheat the system Well, he does say "apart from that" so probably not. Edited September 8, 2009 by alanschu
Purkake Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 It's easy enough to beat the system by doing something else before shooting. If people want to cheat, they will. Not that I ever have
alanschu Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 That only works if you didn't do a save right before you're about to go end turn.
Hurlshort Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 Why would you save at the end of a turn? I usually cheat the system when I go hand to hand or knife, because I think it's a bit messed up to sneak behind a guy, knife him three times, and not actually kill him. So I'll save beforehand, and if I can't get a kill, I'll just use my guns. I beat Baldur's Gate. Took me way too long to finish the final battle, it wasn't really fun after awhile. I was at level 6 and I was just getting my butt handed too me way too often. Probably needed another level or two, I suppose.
Majek Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 WTF? He hates the game because it doesn't support his incompetence? roflmao. 1.13 killed off Ja2.
cronicler Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) It's easy enough to beat the system by doing something else before shooting. What? You mean you drag a peon (Peon: very lov level mercs that cost no money or up to 150 a day that you use as mules for your logistic train, random militia trainers, territary repairers and such) just to leave him/her at the edge of the map with the sole purpose of "save, shoot, reload if miss, make the peon spend some ap to change the randomised outcome and shoot again"??? You cheater! EDIT: Before 1.13, enemies used to work like I described before. With 1.13 the enemies do use (and are affected) by the stuff in their inventory like NVGs, Sun glasses, Armor, camo kits and so on. Also with 1.13 nearly half of the regulars and most of the elites spawn with realistic gear (Armor, decent mix of weapons per 20man unit including mgs and support weapons). In 1.13, every enemy has a small chance for each item he carries to drop if you don't check the "drop all" which results in 5 or 6 drops per 20 enemies. I don't like this much becouse I am generally very unlucky and get secondary (armor, nvg etc) or territary (F/A kits, random loot stuff) drops most of the time. Then again if you check the "drop all" and manage a good and agressive play for the first few days, you get countered with Elite mercs equipped with better weapons (than your stage of the game.) this can lead onto some really good gear and easy battles. However, as you progress, you will notice that holding onto your acquisations will become much much harder than acquiring them. Defence battles suck, especially when your assault team is away attacking another city. Edited September 8, 2009 by cronicler IG. We kick ass and not even take names.
Purkake Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 It's easy enough to beat the system by doing something else before shooting. What? You mean you drag a peon (Peon: very lov level mercs that cost no money or up to 150 a day that you use as mules for your logistic train, random militia trainers, territary repairers and such) just to leave him/her at the edge of the map with the sole purpose of "save, shoot, reload if miss, make the peon spend some ap to change the randomised outcome and shoot again"??? You cheater! I mean have someone change pose/move/reload weapon after reloading the save and then take the shot with the newly randomized chance. I think it used to work at least some time ago...
Hurlshort Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 It works, you just change the order in which you do things and you will get different results.
Oner Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 I mean have someone change pose/move/reload weapon after reloading the save and then take the shot with the newly randomized chance. I think it used to work at least some time ago... Oh I forgot to mention, I moved the girl even farther away, and she still got hit. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
Purkake Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 I mean have someone change pose/move/reload weapon after reloading the save and then take the shot with the newly randomized chance. I think it used to work at least some time ago... Oh I forgot to mention, I moved the girl even farther away, and she still got hit. I hate that kind of stuff. It's much more fun to have random crazy stuff happen, Fallout style.
Majek Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) I mean have someone change pose/move/reload weapon after reloading the save and then take the shot with the newly randomized chance. I think it used to work at least some time ago... Oh I forgot to mention, I moved the girl even farther away, and she still got hit. That's why you have to use cover. And when you hit the enemy the same way it all good right? and 1.13 you can decide how and what the enemies carry and drop. It's all in the XML. Drop all is a requirement only for HAM and other ammo wasting features nowadays so very popular on Bearpit. Edited September 8, 2009 by Majek 1.13 killed off Ja2.
Oner Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 I mean have someone change pose/move/reload weapon after reloading the save and then take the shot with the newly randomized chance. I think it used to work at least some time ago... Oh I forgot to mention, I moved the girl even farther away, and she still got hit. That's why you have to use cover. And when you hit the enemy the same way it all good right? there was a field and 4-6 trees between us /rolleyes And what kind of question is that? The medic died. You know, DEAD. I didn't see any resurrection spells. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
Majek Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 I mean have someone change pose/move/reload weapon after reloading the save and then take the shot with the newly randomized chance. I think it used to work at least some time ago... Oh I forgot to mention, I moved the girl even farther away, and she still got hit. That's why you have to use cover. And when you hit the enemy the same way it all good right? there was a field and 4-6 trees between us /rolleyes And what kind of question is that? The medic died. You know, DEAD. I didn't see any resurrection spells. I still say your incompetence killed her. And trees aren't that good of a cover. They never were. 1.13 killed off Ja2.
Slowtrain Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 And trees aren't that good of a cover. They never were. Unless you can right up behind them prescisely opposite the shooter. Then they are almost perfect cover. Until the shooter moves. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.
Slowtrain Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 EDIT: Before 1.13, enemies used to work like I described before. With 1.13 the enemies do use (and are affected) by the stuff in their inventory like NVGs, Sun glasses, Armor, camo kits and so on. Also with 1.13 nearly half of the regulars and most of the elites spawn with realistic gear (Armor, decent mix of weapons per 20man unit including mgs and support weapons). It's been so long since I played 1.07/1.12 that I can't remember what it was like. Notice how I can belittle your beliefs without calling you names. It's a useful skill to have particularly where you aren't allowed to call people names. It's a mistake to get too drawn in/worked up. I mean it's not life or death, it's just two guys posting their thoughts on a message board. If it were personal or face to face all the usual restraints would be in place, and we would never have reached this place in the first place. Try to remember that.
Morgoth Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 Quick question: Can I use this 1.13 mod also on the Steam version of JA2? Rain makes everything better.
Oner Posted September 8, 2009 Posted September 8, 2009 I still say your incompetence killed her. And trees aren't that good of a cover. They never were.Ah yes, since JA comes with a special helmet that measures competence (in Kelvin no less) and increases the enemy's hit chance by the negative of the competence value. Any more BS to add? Playing Eversion by the way. The maker is a sick person indeed. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
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