I agree with Krezak. The Aliens franchise is not merely based on horror. It is also based on action and survival. These are easier to implement in the game in a mix than doing horror alone.

Personally, I like the Alien Resurection Aliens. They looked more powerful to me. Should there be customizable aliens in the multiplayer mode if there is one? Striped aliens, spotted aliens, Albino aliens. Aliens that you can controll, climb up the walls, hide in shadows and jump out at startled marines.

 

This is the best looking Alien ever and what it should look like:

 

 

Personally, I like the Alien Resurection Aliens. They looked more powerful to me. Should there be customizable aliens in the multiplayer mode if there is one? Striped aliens, spotted aliens, Albino aliens. Aliens that you can controll, climb up the walls, hide in shadows and jump out at startled marines.

 

This is the best looking Alien ever and what it should look like:

 

 

Yeah, and with the same sounds of pain.

 

hahah, wellcome Nostromo

You know, when I was watching the various Alien(s) films, I never noticed how different the Alien designs were from film to film.

 

Well, the quality of the giger,s alien is far far superior, so you should have noticed it at least once

I think this is the best one

 

right after Gigers Alien.

 

Everything anybody moans about with Alien's design is always something that was changed from the original Giger's version. Nobody actually says anything bad about Giger's one even if it isn't their favourite.

 

Something that troubles me about Alien as an RPG is the whole PvP aspect of the game.

 

I'm a NWN player and i'm not sure how much this sort of game would be like that sort of game but if it's a case of having a levelable character that grows in power and gainst skill points and feats and abilities then how is an alien going to work also how is it going to co-exist in a multiplayer environment.

 

You can't just play an alian and go walk about and bump into the predator players and Human players and throw about some verbal threats and posture at each other and sum up whether you want to fight or not. Everything will be KOS.

 

Aliens, Predators, humans and whatever else they put into this as playable would all have to have their own separate environments to exist in and as an RPG it would be heavy on the action and fighting. RP is only really going to happen within a racial group. Aliens are going to be 99.99% emote based RP with one word. "Hissssss" and that is only used when greeting someone who just answered the door to let you come through and pop your 'face on a stick for a tongue' through their forehead.

 

I could so totally spend my nights busying around a hive emoting with other aliens though. How awsome.

You can role-play an Alien like that smart radscorpion in Fallout 2.

 

:chitter:

 

:tail snaps:

 

:clak clak:

 

And so on.

You know, when I was watching the various Alien(s) films, I never noticed how different the Alien designs were from film to film.

 

Me neither, but it's not like you ever get a really good look at them. From looking at the comparison pics, I think it's pretty clear Giger still blows the competition out of the water.

When we visited ADI (visual effects studio that has worked on all of the Alien films), we noted a lot of the differences in person. It was pretty cool. Most of the considerations for alien design came down to very basic limitations of the materials used to construct them. In Alien, the creature is never shown moving quickly. This was primarily because the suit was so incredibly stiff. In Aliens, the suits were more flexible and so the aliens were shown more often and moving more quickly. Once they moved to 3D graphics, the aliens stopped looking like guys in rubber suits. They gained the distinctly non-human leg/ankle joints and started to be extremely fast. Of course there are other elements, like the "smokestacks" and dome design, that were more aesthetic than anything.

So are you guys going to continue the trend and implement your own unique alien design, or are you going to draw from one or more of the previous designs?

Sometimes limitation brings out the best in people, and when you have all the options, that is no limitations on what you can use CGI for, it winds up looking, well, generic and CGI-ish.

 

I much prefer the domes and tubes of Giger, although the leg joints possibly do look too human. It might look better with joints that bend like a horse or similar animal, to shake that 'guy in a suit' vibe.

 

Edited November 24, 200817 yr by Gorgon

Otherwise known as "missing the point". The Alien is a perversion of the human shape and form. If anything, just have the Alien walk on its toes, instead of how a human normally walks.

Says who. I mean I know the Aliens use their host's DNA, but lets face it, there is nothing remotely human about them.

Edited November 24, 200817 yr by Gorgon

You might want to explain how Badejo could fit in the suit, then.

And why would I want to do that.

Because absolutely nothing of their body plan resembles that of a human, yet one individual can fit inside the actual creature without having to use yoga. How odd.

I don't particularly care, I was discussing aesthetics.

Was the initial alien suit shaped like a man because that's how technology had to realize the creature? Or was it always supposed to look like a man? I remember a lot of shots of Geiger's Alien's upper torso, but not so much the legs.

Giger's concept artwork actually had the Alien with a feminine (read: female human) physique which obviously didn't translate into the film. The Alien's general shape was what it was intended to be. It's a hybrid of human and alien(s).

 

I was discussing aesthetics.

Yeah. Me too.

 

I don't particularly care,

That much is evident.

Yeah. Me too.

No, you were arguing physics. Such and such is not possible because an actor had to fit in the suit.

 

Anyway this back and forth is a waste of space.

Edited November 25, 200817 yr by Gorgon

You didn't understand what you read. I'm not saying the leg design you're asking for is impossible due to the usage of an actor - I was responding to the claim you made in post 63. Regarding the creature's aesthetic, no less.

I think they should make the xenomorphs look like they did in Aliens, only with slight differances based on rank, level, species, ect...

All my comments in this forum are going to be silly because I know very little about Aliens.

 

But I do remember the first movie, and while there's some gross stuff in there (like in every extra-terrestrial setting), I remember the Aliens themselves as fairly slick guys?

 

I just want, for once, ET beings that don't look completely disgusting and spew forth gooey goo balls when you tap them in the eye. Oedipus and Freud be damned, can we please have "queen lairs" that don't have bits of intestines all over the walls? There's such a dearth of unique designs, biological or architectural, when it comes to ET beings and that's what disappoints me. Either it's gooey, or it's medieval fantasy (green guys wearing ceremonial armour), or generic futuristic.

 

I don't recall the series really breaking new ground in this respect, of course. But if Obsidian is thinking about introducing different, previously unknown types of creatures or whatever, it really would be welcome. I'm already grossed out by centaurs in FO3.

 

(This is probably abhorrent to the actual setting though. Right?)

All my comments in this forum are going to be silly because I know very little about Aliens.

 

But I do remember the first movie, and while there's some gross stuff in there (like in every extra-terrestrial setting), I remember the Aliens themselves as fairly slick guys?

 

I just want, for once, ET beings that don't look completely disgusting and spew forth gooey goo balls when you tap them in the eye. Oedipus and Freud be damned, can we please have "queen lairs" that don't have bits of intestines all over the walls? There's such a dearth of unique designs, biological or architectural, when it comes to ET beings and that's what disappoints me. Either it's gooey, or it's medieval fantasy (green guys wearing ceremonial armour), or generic futuristic.

 

I don't recall the series really breaking new ground in this respect, of course. But if Obsidian is thinking about introducing different, previously unknown types of creatures or whatever, it really would be welcome. I'm already grossed out by centaurs in FO3.

 

(This is probably abhorrent to the actual setting though. Right?)

 

Well, I do't think that the aliens ever had bits of intestines over their walls. All they ever did was just mold over whatever surrounding they were given. That's what made their infestation look so cool. They weren't deconstructing anyones design, be it human or otherwise, but whatever architecture they were around, they would learn it, study its patterns, and then build off it. Maybe even improve it...

 

An example of an alien race that does what you describe is the Flood from Halo. The burst, bubble, and swarm with no coherant thought. Aliens do "burst," as you say, but they exploded with ACID. And yes, that does make a huge difference.

All my comments in this forum are going to be silly because I know very little about Aliens.

 

But I do remember the first movie, and while there's some gross stuff in there (like in every extra-terrestrial setting), I remember the Aliens themselves as fairly slick guys?

 

I just want, for once, ET beings that don't look completely disgusting and spew forth gooey goo balls when you tap them in the eye. Oedipus and Freud be damned, can we please have "queen lairs" that don't have bits of intestines all over the walls? There's such a dearth of unique designs, biological or architectural, when it comes to ET beings and that's what disappoints me. Either it's gooey, or it's medieval fantasy (green guys wearing ceremonial armour), or generic futuristic.

 

I don't recall the series really breaking new ground in this respect, of course.

It broke new ground in the late 70s and then everyone copied it like a bunch of n00bs. In some ways, I consider Alien to be the Citizen Kane of sci-fi horror. Youngsters look at and think that there's nothing really special about it, but at the time it was innovative in a lot of ways.

 

Aliens spraying acid blood is pretty core, and the alien resin creep is also very core to alien hives. I think it would be a disservice to the IP if we didn't represent those aspects faithfully.

 

http://ui21.gamespot.com/1012/predatorinthehive_2.jpg