Deadly_Nightshade Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Pakistan's attempts to block access to YouTube have been blamed for a near global blackout of the site on Sunday. Google, the owner of YouTube, blamed the outage on "erroneous internet protocols", sourced in Pakistan BBC News has learned that the nearly two-hour long blackout was almost certainly connected to Pakistan Telecom and internet service provider PCCW. The country ordered ISPs to block the video-sharing website because of content deemed offensive to Islam. The BBC News website's technology editor, Darren Waters, says that to block Pakistan's citizens from accessing YouTube it is believed Pakistan Telecom "hijacked" the web server address of the popular video site. Those details were then passed on to the country's internet service providers so that anyone in Pakistan attempting to go to YouTube was instead re-directed to a different address. But the details of the "hijack" were leaked out into the wider internet from PCCW and as a result YouTube was mistakenly blocked by internet service providers around the world. The block on the servers was lifted once PCCW had been told of the issue by engineers at YouTube. A statement from Google said that the problems lasted for "about two hours". "Traffic to YouTube was routed according to erroneous internet protocols, and many users around the world could not access our site," it said. "We have determined that the source of these events was a network in Pakistan. We are investigating and working with others in the internet community to prevent this from happening again." PCCW said it was aware of the occurrence and was "reviewing the event with the appropriate internal and external parties." A leading net professional told BBC News: "This was probably a simple mistake by an engineer at Pakistan Telecom. There's nothing to suggest this was malicious." IP hijacking involves taking over a web site's unique address by corrupting the internet's routing tables, which direct the flow of data around the world. Cause of ban Reports said Pakistan made the move because YouTube content included Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad that have outraged many. But one report said a trailer for a forthcoming film by Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilders, which portrays Islam in a negative light, was behind the ban. "They [Pakistan's telecommunications authority] asked us to ban it immediately... and the order says the ban will continue until further notice," said Wahaj-us-Siraj, convener of the Association of Pakistan Internet Service Providers. The government decision has caused uproar in Pakistan, according to Wahaj-us-Siraj: "Users are quite upset. They're screaming at ISPs which can't do anything. "The government has valid reason for that, but they have to find a better way of doing it. If we continue blocking popular websites, people will stop using the internet." Other countries that have temporarily blocked access to YouTube include Turkey and Thailand. From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7262071.stm "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot
theslug Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 What a bunch of psychos. There was a time when I questioned the ability for the schizoid to ever experience genuine happiness, at the very least for a prolonged segment of time. I am no closer to finding the answer, however, it has become apparent that contentment is certainly a realizable goal. I find these results to be adequate, if not pleasing. Unfortunately, connection is another subject entirely. When one has sufficiently examined the mind and their emotional constructs, connection can be easily imitated. More data must be gleaned and further collated before a sufficient judgment can be reached.
Sand Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 All information should be free and accessible to the people. I hate it when governments try to censor things. All they do is show their fear of people actually thinking for themselves instead of letting themselves be spoonfed whatever the powers that be deem acceptable. I don't care if its the Pakistani government, Russia's government, China's, Turkey's or even our own. Let the damn people decide what they want and what they deem acceptable. Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand"
Xard Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 ****ing tards > How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG)
Meshugger Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 How do these guys reason? Is a different and critic opinion that difficult to grasp? I never met anyone in real life that supports censorship, but it would be fun to hear on what logical basis they have come to this conclusion. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Kaftan Barlast Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 This aggression will not stand, man. We cant let them darn paki's fiddle with our intrawebb, because through the intrawebb flows the juice of freedom. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
Meshugger Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 This aggression will not stand, man. We cant let them darn paki's fiddle with our intrawebb, because through the intrawebb flows the juice of freedom. After you, "Captain, my captain" "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Sand Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 No, its "Kaftan, my Kaftan." Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand"
Humodour Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Well, no surprise there. That country has been going down hill ever since it split from India.
Kaftan Barlast Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 After you, "Captain, my captain" No, its "Kaftan, my Kaftan." Then what are you waiting for?! Go get them darn freedom-haters!! DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
Walsingham Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Our ISPs might well block a website that hosts material we find offensive. I don't see what's so wrong about some other country finding something else offensive. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
Xard Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 I find sheep very offensive animal. That's why me and my brethen have decided to commit global scale sheepicide during next month. Resistance is futile. How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG)
Walsingham Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 I find sheep very offensive animal. That's why me and my brethen have decided to commit global scale sheepicide during next month. Resistance is futile. Damn good thing too. If it weren't for my survivalist scale stocks of mint sauce I'd have been over-run by weresheep completely. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
Kaftan Barlast Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Our ISPs might well block a website that hosts material we find offensive. I don't see what's so wrong about some other country finding something else offensive. When you block a website, you slam the door shut in the face of democracy and all that is good and true in the world. If some dingbag finds anything on the internet offensive, he can just not go there anymore, or even block the site through his router/modem. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
Gorgon Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 The Danish police block IP ranges that contain child porn. I can't say my freedom feels that violated because of it. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Walsingham Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 The Danish police block IP ranges that contain child porn. I can't say my freedom feels that violated because of it. That's what I was getting at. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
Humodour Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Our ISPs might well block a website that hosts material we find offensive. I don't see what's so wrong about some other country finding something else offensive. Firstly, you're confusing consensual blocking of offensive material with deliberate and blanket censorship - a pretty glaring mistake if you ask me. But even so, that's still a fundamentally flawed argument, for a multitude of reasons, but I'll point out the most obvious: 'We' find the blocked material offensive. 'We' have no problem with filters which selectively and accurately block "child porn". 'We' sometimes authorise our governments and ISPs to do this (whether through election or active participation in a filter). In the end the power lies with the people, and most significantly the individual. The case for Pakistan does not go as above. It goes: They (the people of Pakistan) do not unanimously find said material offensive. Those who find it offensive undoubtedly aren't even of a unanimous consensus that it should be blocked. Those that believe it should be blocked, no doubt don't believe that non-offensive material should also be blocked. In the end, 'they' (the people of Pakistan) don't believe YouTube should be blocked, yet their government does so anyway. As a result, this is not a matter of consensual agreement in the need for censorship, nor even concensual participation in a filter; it's an oppressive authoritarian move to suppress ideas and philosophies which the government would rather its people didn't have access to.
thepixiesrock Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Sure, with censorship you block good things as well as bad things, but it was for religious reasons, and Islam isn't just a religion, it's an entire civilization and culture in and of itself. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there.
Guest The Architect Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Yep, which is why I don't get the what the **** reaction from it. Islam country - Islam way. What they did might seem strange to you, but it's their way. Respect it. No need for a what the **** reaction, since it's understandable why they did it - some of the website content was offensive to Islam.
Meshugger Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 The Danish police block IP ranges that contain child porn. I can't say my freedom feels that violated because of it. That's what I was getting at. Child porn is a criminal act since it forces one participant, the child, perform an act against his/her consent, and added physical and psychological harm. This is the standard in any society with human rights. Therefore, linking to child porn is a criminal act. Censorship, as in what Pakistan is doing, is a whole other thing. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Kaftan Barlast Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 As always, we Swedes are the best and wisest in the world. What we do is to physicly remove illegal websites hosted on servers in Sweden, and leave anything on foreign servers alone to be handled by whoever is responsible for them. And it is only marginally less fascist of Pakistan to block youtube, than it is for China to block out anything related to Tianamen square. You dont burn books and you dont censor the internet, no matter what. Not to mention its friggin ridicilous to block a website because you're offended by a damn joke. These people should grow up and stop being idiots. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
Xard Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 As always, we Swedes are the best and wisest in the world. What we do is to physicly remove illegal websites hosted on servers in Sweden, and leave anything on foreign servers alone to be handled by whoever is responsible for them. Heh, that has certainly worked with Pirate Bay How can it be a no ob build. It has PROVEN effective. I dare you to show your builds and I will tear you apart in an arugment about how these builds will won them. - OverPowered Godzilla (OPG)
Kaftan Barlast Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Heh, that has certainly worked with Pirate Bay Yeah, they just moved abroad and everythings fine now DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
Walsingham Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 Our ISPs might well block a website that hosts material we find offensive. I don't see what's so wrong about some other country finding something else offensive. They (the people of Pakistan) do not unanimously find said material offensive. Those who find it offensive undoubtedly aren't even of a unanimous consensus that it should be blocked. Those that believe it should be blocked, no doubt don't believe that non-offensive material should also be blocked. In the end, 'they' (the people of Pakistan) don't believe YouTube should be blocked, yet their government does so anyway. As a result, this is not a matter of consensual agreement in the need for censorship, nor even concensual participation in a filter; it's an oppressive authoritarian move to suppress ideas and philosophies which the government would rather its people didn't have access to. Clearly and forcefully put. I concede to your argument as it stands. However, I have a couple of further statement/questions: 1. Government censorship can be acceptable if an expression of the will of the people? 2. As you said, without democracy the true will of the people is hidden/perverted. Nevertheless, even in non-democratic systems like monarchy or dictatorship, some institutions may come to express that will to significant degrees. 3. Who are we to tell another culture what is acceptable? For example, many European nations find American prudishness towards sex and nudity equally childish. Ought we to condemn the USA to the same degree that we condemn Pakistan? "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
Nick_i_am Posted February 26, 2008 Posted February 26, 2008 If the Pakistanii government was democratically elected then that's really the end of the argument and the situation will resolve itself. at the hands of the pakistani people. If they're a dictatorship then this is expected, I don't see any of you complaining about the image results you get for 'Tienimen square' when you search for it on google china. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it)
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