Barack Obama

[Yuusha]

@Krezack:

Anybody with half a brain wouldn't vote for him. Look at that dirty sleazy smile.

 

Think it doesn't matter? Quite a few studies have proven it does - a lot of it is in the face.

You're kidding right? Obama was the one who consistently stood against the US' involvement in Iraq, while Hillary initially 'approved' Bush's decision only to turncoat after polls showed that most of the US citizen were against going to Iraq.

 

I gotta admit though, Hillary has a nice smile.

 

She has a crazy smile. But the joker's smile isn't as crazy as judging the politics, perspective, and intelligence of a person by how their face moves. Or are you simply saying you only want professional actors?

True.... Perhaps Hillary should wear a burqa.

[Dark_Raven]

I wouldn't vote for him even if he didn't associate himself with muslims.

[Dark_Raven]

Gee, I wonder why so many Muslims have an issue with the US?

Because they're being lied to. Though "lied" may be too harsh. Dissemination of faulty or biased information isn't always intentional.

 

What? You don't think the xenophobia that the average American has towards Islam might have a little to do with it? 1 Geez, the guy is accused of attending an Islamic school like he spent a year in a terrorist training camp. 2 We send troops to Iraq and Afghanistan without even training them on the culture of the people they are supposed to be helping. We have politicians who probably don't even know what the Qu'ran is.

 

Islam is the second largest religion in the world, and it's growing faster than Christianity, so maybe the US should stop treating it like something evil.

1 Depending in what country the "school" is in, its the same thing.

 

2 That is a big problem and why the US is public enemy number one in their eyes. Our people do stupid things because they don't know the culture over there. They are not dealing with white christians over there like in wars of the past. They are dealing with a people, culture and religion that is totally different from our own.

Edited November 25, 2007 by Dark_Raven

[Sand]

It's relegated, not regulated... and even then I'd say that's the wrong word since that implies they are acting as police officiers, not soldiers, when in fact it would be both. Lucky you're not a novelist eh?

 

Good thing that this is some random meaningless internet forum and not a novel.

 

To the topic: considering how chaotic vietnam was, are you saying that for lack of trustworthy or simply available law enforcement, the people should have simply done nothing? The soldiers should have ignored them if they needed help?

 

In Vietnam, as with Iraq, we shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Edited November 25, 2007 by Sand

[Hurlshort]

You know Hurlshot, there is a Muslim congressman now, and the city of New York has publicly commemorated Ramadan the past 4 years. Most public schools are making it a point to educate kids on Muslim culture (you of all people should know that). I'm not seeing anyone treating Islam like something evil in America today. Quite the opposite actually. The incident this entire thread is based on was initiated as a cynical political tactic to inflame a perceived racial bias in the public by a democrat against another democrat. The racial bias did not exist it seemed and the tactic has backfired a little. It's funny, that is the exact kind of dirty trick the dems would accuse republicans of using. Usually without merit to the accusation.

 

While I agree that there is some good progress being made, there still is a long way to go before I'd say Muslims aren't face discrimination in the US. In the summer I often teach adults, and they know a lot less about Muslims than my middle school students. Maybe in ten years we will have a more educated public in the US, I sure hope so, but I'm not sold on it being there now.

[Blarghagh]

If he has your vote he doesn't have mine.

 

Thanks for the heads up on who NOT to vote for.

 

Glad to see you've given the future of your country that much thought. Seriously, you're why the rest of the world hates America.

[Guard Dog]

Well I guess that solves that. It's all Greasy Dog Meats fault.

 

Seriously, the rest of the world needs to come to grips with two facts.

 

1) The average American voter is not stupid. They may not be as informed on world events and politics as other countries citizens but that is only because we are less directly impacted by them. Never doubt though, most are pretty well informed when they step into the voting booth and the choice they make is usually an educated one.

 

2) Americans elect leaders to safeguard and advance the interests of America, not the rest of the world, not the UN, and certainly not our enemies. And when the interests of America contradict those of others (even allies such as most of Europe) we expect and demand that our leaders do what is best for our country.

 

John Kerry utterly doomed his presidential bid when he stated he would not use military force to avert or defend against an imminent threat without world approval. What fool would place control of their well being in the hands of people who care nothing if you live or die? Don't get me wrong, no one likes GWB but he was the lesser of two bad choices in both of the last elections.

 

Case in point, The Kyoto Treaty. Signing that would be tantamount to an act of sabotage on the US economy. Why in the world do you think Clinton refused to even put it to the Senate the first time it came up? Why do you think in 1997 the Senate voted it down 97-0? Because it would hurt us. The elected leaders of ANY sovereign nation should be expected to act in the best interests of that nation not some nebulous abstract concept like "the global community".

[Walsingham]

In Vietnam, as with Iraq, we shouldn't have been there in the first place.

 

*cheerfully*

 

...Because clearly an aggressively expanding communist bloc could have been expected to stop at Vietnam, and not go on to take over Laos and Cambodia, followed by Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia... Australia... India... that would have been just fine. Isn't that right, my unfeasibly 1920s friend?

[Guest The Architect]

^ Well said.

[Sand]

In Vietnam, as with Iraq, we shouldn't have been there in the first place.

 

*cheerfully*

 

...Because clearly an aggressively expanding communist bloc could have been expected to stop at Vietnam, and not go on to take over Laos and Cambodia, followed by Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia... Australia... India... that would have been just fine. Isn't that right, my unfeasibly 1920s friend?

 

If a country is not strong enough to stand on its own against those that transgress it then it doesn't have the right to exist.

[Hurlshort]

In Vietnam, as with Iraq, we shouldn't have been there in the first place.

 

*cheerfully*

 

...Because clearly an aggressively expanding communist bloc could have been expected to stop at Vietnam, and not go on to take over Laos and Cambodia, followed by Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia... Australia... India... that would have been just fine. Isn't that right, my unfeasibly 1920s friend?

 

If a country is not strong enough to stand on its own against those that transgress it then it doesn't have the right to exist.

 

Geez, does that mean nobody should help other countries against aggressors? That would change history a bit.

[Guard Dog]

In Vietnam, as with Iraq, we shouldn't have been there in the first place.

 

*cheerfully*

 

...Because clearly an aggressively expanding communist bloc could have been expected to stop at Vietnam, and not go on to take over Laos and Cambodia, followed by Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia... Australia... India... that would have been just fine. Isn't that right, my unfeasibly 1920s friend?

 

If a country is not strong enough to stand on its own against those that transgress it then it doesn't have the right to exist.

 

Geez, does that mean nobody should help other countries against aggressors? That would change history a bit.

Ja, mein freund.

 

 

Okay, that was a little low.

[Sand]

Geez, does that mean nobody should help other countries against aggressors? That would change history a bit.

 

Sure they should help each other, if they have their own backyard secured first. The United States is vulnerable due to the stupid choices our leaders have made. We are trillions of dollars in debt to a foreign power that is adversial to us, our armed forces should not be as thinned out as it is, fghting a war on two fronts, and we have an aging population and infrastructure that needs attending to. Sure, help people out, but our government needs to put its own citizens first.

 

In the terms of history countries have been conquered when they have found themselves at such a state that we are in.

Edited November 25, 2007 by Sand

[Hurlshort]

Huh, I'm not really feeling threatened out here in the US. Sure, there is the threat of a terrorist attack, but I don't foresee an invasion a la Red Dawn anytime soon. Maybe I'm being naive, but I don't live in fear because of 9/11. It was a terrible tragedy, but it happened in 2001 and there hasn't been any follow up.

 

In regards to domestic policy, I'm not quite sure where you are going there.

[Sand]

I am saying we need to mind our own store first. We still have millions of people living below the poverty line. We still have people unemployed and homeless. We are indebted to China trillions of dollars. We have large portions still in ruins due to natural disasters like Katrina and the fires in California. If we cannot take care of ourselves properly then we have no right to try to take care of others.

[Yuusha]

@Sand:

If a country is not strong enough to stand on its own against those that transgress it then it doesn't have the right to exist.

In regards to communism I disagree.

 

During the 60's, the Indonesian Communist Party (ICP) were at its strongest. They were the only group powerful enough to have publicly assassinated their political foes. Countless civilians were massacred during their attempt to topple our government. People lived in fear of the ICP for their methods were merciless and brutal and it culminated in the assassination of 6 army generals.

 

Those were dark times and I'm grateful that God somehow guided our nation to have conquered communism.

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@Guard Dog:

The average American voter is not stupid. They may not be as informed on world events and politics as other countries citizens but that is only because we are less directly impacted by them.

That and the inherent bias in the western media.

 

Never doubt though, most are pretty well informed when they step into the voting booth and the choice they make is usually an educated one.

No disrespect intended, but with your current president's lackluster track record, I'm finding it rather difficult not to doubt the intelligence of american voters.

 

Especially with posts such as these:

If he has your vote he doesn't have mine.

 

Thanks for the heads up on who NOT to vote for.

 

Anybody with half a brain wouldn't vote for him. Look at that dirty sleazy smile.

 

Think it doesn't matter? Quite a few studies have proven it does - a lot of it is in the face.

[Xard]

Voting percent of american's was only about 50 % IIRC

 

Actually I agree with Yuusha here on many things. [Edited by SteveThaiBinh for inappropriate comment]

@Guard Dog:

The average American voter is not stupid. They may not be as informed on world events and politics as other countries citizens but that is only because we are less directly impacted by them.

That and the inherent bias in the western media.

 

 

Now here on Yuusha managed to get on my nerves again. WESTERN MEDIA IS NOT BRAINWASHED/UNDER THE AMERICAN BIG BROTHER for 1224356346. time. And have you come to wonder that "your" (nice job showing ages old "us and them" menthality here. Hope you're proud of yourself ) media is atleast as biased as this some sort of an "western" media?

 

Protip: Fox doesn't represent "western media".

 

Protip 2: There's no such thing as zionist conspiracy that runs the world, media and american goverment and who wants to wipe heroic muslims of Palestine from this planet. Shocking revelation I guess

Edited November 25, 2007 by SteveThaiBinh

[Yuusha]

@Guard Dog:

The average American voter is not stupid. They may not be as informed on world events and politics as other countries citizens but that is only because we are less directly impacted by them.

That and the inherent bias in the western media.

 

 

Now here on Yuusha managed to get on my nerves again. WESTERN MEDIA IS NOT BRAINWASHED/UNDER THE AMERICAN BIG BROTHER for 1224356346. time. And have you come to wonder that "your" (nice job showing ages old "us and them" menthality here. Hope you're proud of yourself ) media is atleast as biased as this some sort of an "western" media?

 

Protip: Fox doesn't represent "western media".

 

Protip 2: There's no such thing as zionist conspiracy that runs the world, media and american goverment and who wants to wipe heroic muslims of Palestine from this planet. Shocking revelation I guess

Your post is amusing me somehow.

[GreasyDogMeat]

@Sand:

If a country is not strong enough to stand on its own against those that transgress it then it doesn't have the right to exist.

In regards to communism I disagree.

 

During the 60's, the Indonesian Communist Party (ICP) were at its strongest. They were the only group powerful enough to have publicly assassinated their political foes. Countless civilians were massacred during their attempt to topple our government. People lived in fear of the ICP for their methods were merciless and brutal and it culminated in the assassination of 6 army generals.

 

Those were dark times and I'm grateful that God somehow guided our nation to have conquered communism.

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@Guard Dog:

The average American voter is not stupid. They may not be as informed on world events and politics as other countries citizens but that is only because we are less directly impacted by them.

That and the inherent bias in the western media.

 

Never doubt though, most are pretty well informed when they step into the voting booth and the choice they make is usually an educated one.

No disrespect intended, but with your current president's lackluster track record, I'm finding it rather difficult not to doubt the intelligence of american voters.

 

Especially with posts such as these:

If he has your vote he doesn't have mine.

 

Thanks for the heads up on who NOT to vote for.

 

Anybody with half a brain wouldn't vote for him. Look at that dirty sleazy smile.

 

Think it doesn't matter? Quite a few studies have proven it does - a lot of it is in the face.

 

Thats rich... suddenly you've turned from a copy paster with no thoughts of their own to an intelligent poster eh? Nope, you are still doing. Saying I wouldn't vote for somebody because you would is truly as unintelligent as saying you would vote for someone because they went to a muslim school at some point in their life. That really qualifies someone for presidency... and some other tool gives me crap for that post too. You make posts accusing the US of being the worst terrorist nation on the planet, sympathize with real terrorists... then make another balogny post about how great Obama is for no other reason than attending a muslim school... AND you are disapointed at two of the responses. Poor you.

 

"That and the inherent bias in the western media."

 

Says someone who gets their news from the local mosque and is convinced Israel is the 'Great Satan'. Or is that 'Little Satan'? I can never remember which is which...

Edited November 25, 2007 by GreasyDogMeat

[Pop]

In Vietnam, as with Iraq, we shouldn't have been there in the first place.

 

*cheerfully*

 

...Because clearly an aggressively expanding communist bloc could have been expected to stop at Vietnam, and not go on to take over Laos and Cambodia, followed by Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia... Australia... India... that would have been just fine. Isn't that right, my unfeasibly 1920s friend?

Huh, you'd think the Domino theory would've been dead and gone by now, discredited as it is. I suppose the fact that communism didn't spread like wildfire after the war is a testament to its resounding success and efficacy? How awfully convenient.

 

Ho Chi Minh didn't have any interest in expansion, he was a staunch nationalist. Neither did Minh have any interest in starting a civil war. He was going to win the Vietnamese Presidential election by a landslide with a mandate to kick the french out for good, as by that time he was pretty much a national hero, but the incumbent decided to appeal to America and France's fear of unfettered communism to stay in power. Vietnam sure as hell wasn't China or the Soviet Union. Hell, when Minhh showed up at Woodrow Wilson's office at the League of Nations in the 20's had the guards let him in to talk to the President about getting Vietnam out from under France's yolk Minh probably never would have become a communist in the first place and the US wouldn't have had any reason to invade at all. But when the first world war ended and Vietnam still remained a colonial holding, socialism became the most prominent tool against imperialism just like it was all over the world in those days. We shouldn't have gone there.

Edited November 25, 2007 by Pop

[Guard Dog]

@Guard Dog:

The average American voter is not stupid. They may not be as informed on world events and politics as other countries citizens but that is only because we are less directly impacted by them.

That and the inherent bias in the western media.

 

That is utter sophistry but I realize only too well the futility of discussing it with you.

 

Never doubt though, most are pretty well informed when they step into the voting booth and the choice they make is usually an educated one.

No disrespect intended, but with your current president's lackluster track record, I'm finding it rather difficult not to doubt the intelligence of american voters.

 

Remember what I said about the best of two bad choices? In the US only two candidates have a realistic shot at election. If they are both duds we are doomed to a dud president. You just have to hold your nose and pick the one that disgusts you the least.

 

Especially with posts such as these:

 

GDM makes a post in obvious jest and you use it to cast aspersions on his intelligence? That is a cheap shot.

[Humodour]

Never doubt though, most are pretty well informed when they step into the voting booth and the choice they make is usually an educated one.

No disrespect intended, but with your current president's lackluster track record, I'm finding it rather difficult not to doubt the intelligence of american voters.

 

Especially with posts such as these:

If he has your vote he doesn't have mine.

 

Thanks for the heads up on who NOT to vote for.

 

Anybody with half a brain wouldn't vote for him. Look at that dirty sleazy smile.

 

Think it doesn't matter? Quite a few studies have proven it does - a lot of it is in the face.

 

I'm Australian [deleted]. You know - that group of champions who went to East Timor to stop you Indonesian [deleted] from committing genocide on the East Timorese?

 

[Edited by SteveThaiBinh for insulting language.]

[Sand]

Well, Obama is my first choice for president with Joe Biden being my second. Of the Democrats Billary is second to last with Edwards being last, but either one of those two would be better than any Republican.

[Atreides]

Yes, but we all know the important question's whether he's promising broadband internets for the whole of America like Rudd did for Australia. See where that got him.

[Yuusha]

I'm Australian [deleted]. You know - that group of champions who went to East Timor to stop you Indonesian [deleted] from committing genocide on the East Timorese?

Oh you're an Aussie? Well then let's put another shrimp on the barbie shall we? Seriously, the fact that your Australian doesn't change the absurdity of the post you made earlier. I mean c'mon.... You deemed Obama unworthy of the presidency just coz he has a 'sleazy' smile?

 

Regarding East Timor I will make no defense. Our government under the Soeharto regime is infamous for their crimes against humanity, corruption, etc. So if you wanna insult/attack my government some more then more power to you man.

 

Australia is a group of champions? Please I just had my dinner. Your government have been diminishing the number of the Aboriginal tribe and seizing their lands since way back when. And don't get me started on how inhumane your precious government treats its immigrants.