Gfted1 Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) Oerwinde said: I just hate some of the options that give you evil points. Its stupid. Like "I want you to go down into this horrible undead filled crypt to see if someone is there" "Uh, ok... do I get paid for this?" "WHAT!? You horrible evil bastard!" Lol, I know what you mean. I returned from the ruins and told the guy his backpay was gone - Chaotic shift (yay). Then I talk to the parents and say something like "you shouldnt make up stories" - BAM, 3 point Good shift. EDIT: And thanks to those that answered my question. I guess that makes sense of the Warlocks need to be Chaotic and/or Evil. Edited November 21, 2006 by Gfted1 http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Gfted1,black,red.png
Darque Posted November 21, 2006 Author Posted November 21, 2006 Warlocks get their power from innate ties to Infernal sources (hence the evil part) or Fae sources (hence the Chaotic part)
Dark_Raven Posted November 21, 2006 Posted November 21, 2006 Oerwinde said: I just hate some of the options that give you evil points. Its stupid. Like "I want you to go down into this horrible undead filled crypt to see if someone is there" "Uh, ok... do I get paid for this?" "WHAT!? You horrible evil bastard!" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its stupid. Playing the part of a mercenary is not evil, it would be more neutral than good or evil. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed.
Colrom Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Cantousent said: After playing quite a bit more of this, I have to say this time Sawyer better not downplay his achievement. I swear to goodness, if he ridicules his efforts on this one, I'm going to hunt him down and punch in the snot box. ...And he's younger and stonger than me, so that's no small doing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Let me help him out here. As I approach the end of the game the conversations with my party members are just the same as they were at the start. Some party members still refuse to tell me things that I learned from other sources a long time ago in their presence. Any number of people are in two places at once. Sand regularly speaks when not present. Some quests are broken. You can go back to the old world by passing through the goblin caves. The game has suddenly become crazy difficult and I have had to switch to easy difficulty level to do anything. So - while Josh's achievment is impressive - they/he should have done more - and still should do more :angry: - to finish the game properly . As dark is the absence of light, so evil is the absence of good. If you would destroy evil, do good. Evil cannot be perfected. Thank God.
roshan Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Reveal hidden contents You can even find Moire and do a quest for her after killing her during the city watch quests. And in the keep when you find a lot of ore, Calindra tells you to talk to the foundry workers to upgrade your keep some more but Veedles dialogue is bugged - probably because the feature was cut.
J.E. Sawyer Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Cantousent said: After playing quite a bit more of this, I have to say this time Sawyer better not downplay his achievement. I swear to goodness, if he ridicules his efforts on this one, I'm going to hunt him down and punch in the snot box. ...And he's younger and stonger than me, so that's no small doing. The only achievement I had on NWN2 was getting it (more or less) done. I didn't really lead the design of the game and much of my time was spent revising and cutting, tying up loose ends. twitter tyme
alanschu Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Dark_Raven said: Oerwinde said: I just hate some of the options that give you evil points. Its stupid. Like "I want you to go down into this horrible undead filled crypt to see if someone is there" "Uh, ok... do I get paid for this?" "WHAT!? You horrible evil bastard!" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its stupid. Playing the part of a mercenary is not evil, it would be more neutral than good or evil. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you keep doing it over and over, I could see an argument otherwise. Especially given that Evil seems to mean selfish in the D&D world.
Jorian Drake Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 alanschu said: Dark_Raven said: Oerwinde said: I just hate some of the options that give you evil points. Its stupid. Like "I want you to go down into this horrible undead filled crypt to see if someone is there" "Uh, ok... do I get paid for this?" "WHAT!? You horrible evil bastard!" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its stupid. Playing the part of a mercenary is not evil, it would be more neutral than good or evil. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you keep doing it over and over, I could see an argument otherwise. Especially given that Evil seems to mean selfish in the D&D world. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> that's not true, how alignments are used depend on the DM who interprents them
alanschu Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Well, the DMs in the computer games seems pretty consistent.
Jorian Drake Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 alanschu said: Well, the DMs in the computer games seems pretty consistent. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's a weird world if a hungarian understands the meaning of alignment better than some american guys. :D
alanschu Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 jorian said: alanschu said: Well, the DMs in the computer games seems pretty consistent. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's a weird world if a hungarian understands the meaning of alignment better than some american guys. :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> WTF are you talking about?
Jorian Drake Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 alanschu said: jorian said: alanschu said: Well, the DMs in the computer games seems pretty consistent. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's a weird world if a hungarian understands the meaning of alignment better than some american guys. :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> WTF are you talking about? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That I know what lawful, chaotic, neutral, good, evil means more than many people in the nation where DnD was created.
alanschu Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 SO what does Lawful, Chaotic, Neutral, Good, and Evil mean?
Jorian Drake Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 alanschu said: SO what does Lawful, Chaotic, Neutral, Good, and Evil mean? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It all depends who you ask, where, when, and about what. It's all about opinions, cultures, events, faith, and regional laws These all can be very different, and it can be that two LG persons look at each other, and think the other one is CE.
Tigranes Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Then that means nobody can 'understand it' better than anybody else, right? Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress)
Jorian Drake Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Tigranes said: Then that means nobody can 'understand it' better than anybody else, right? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's exactly my opinion. Most rulers organized mercenaries somewhat, and supported them with laws, so these mercenaries could be mostly 'Lawful Something', so the action to ask for payment for something could be considered lawful. If it's considered unlawful to ask for payment for something what's simply right to do (as saving a child), then that can be considered chaotic, evil, or both depending on who you ask about it. You can't in RL walk around and point on people that 'He's CE!' or 'She's NG!'
Dark_Raven Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 :crazy: Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed.
Jorian Drake Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Dark_Raven said: :crazy: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes? I know you are. No need to worry doh, I am watching over you. ^_^
roshan Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 The problem is that there is no counter for neutral points. Theres just good and evil ones. So if you are good and ask for payment from a child, thats a neutral action, so you gain evil points and become less good.
Jorian Drake Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 (edited) roshan said: The problem is that there is no counter for neutral points. Theres just good and evil ones. So if you are good and ask for payment from a child, thats a neutral action, so you gain evil points and become less good. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Neutral is the 'Neutral Zone', there is lawful/chaotic and good/evil what can change, its not just good/evil, black/white. PS: a LG character could do it because he's lawful, and not becouse he's good. Edited November 22, 2006 by jorian
Gorth Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Just to get a bit back on topic again... Got to a point in the game that gave me a good laugh and raise an eyebrow. Reveal hidden contents After the Library visit, studying old books and Githyanki fighting skills, I'm wen't back to Shandra (sp?), the girl with the flammable barn (and house as it turns out). Quite humorous, especially the final cuscene where she tells you to beat it and then see her run away from pursuing Gith's. Anyway, went back to the Inn and managed to lose her in the fight, and have now joined this wonderful guy Bishop on my way to Luskan. Question, is she going to be a party member?!? What is she then, 10 levels of Peasant class or is she multiclassed 5 levels of Peasant and 5 levels of Milk Maid ?!? G'Orthagnan the dual rapier wielding, fedora wearing Duelist is on his way to the rescue... I really like this game “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
Pidesco Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Reveal hidden contents I'd totally want a milk maid in my party but, alas, she's a fighter. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian tourist I am Dan Quayle of the Romans. I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands. Heja Sverige!! Everyone should cuffawkle more. The wrench is your friend.
Dark_Raven Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Gorth said: Just to get a bit back on topic again... Got to a point in the game that gave me a good laugh and raise an eyebrow. Reveal hidden contents After the Library visit, studying old books and Githyanki fighting skills, I'm wen't back to Shandra (sp?), the girl with the flammable barn (and house as it turns out). Quite humorous, especially the final cuscene where she tells you to beat it and then see her run away from pursuing Gith's. Anyway, went back to the Inn and managed to lose her in the fight, and have now joined this wonderful guy Bishop on my way to Luskan. Question, is she going to be a party member?!? What is she then, 10 levels of Peasant class or is she multiclassed 5 levels of Peasant and 5 levels of Milk Maid ?!? G'Orthagnan the dual rapier wielding, fedora wearing Duelist is on his way to the rescue... I really like this game <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Reveal hidden contents She becomes a fighter at what ever level you are currently at. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed.
Pidesco Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Check the post above yours Raven Grrl. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian tourist I am Dan Quayle of the Romans. I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands. Heja Sverige!! Everyone should cuffawkle more. The wrench is your friend.
Dark_Raven Posted November 22, 2006 Posted November 22, 2006 Check the posting times El Gato. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed.
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