Will we ever get Jefferson?

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · November 1, 2006

It would be really nice if Josh would do it as a sideproject(even better as an official expansion), problem is that he probably wont have time to do it.

But if he would allow it, Im sure there are many talented modteams who would like to do something with it. Id jump at that opportunity

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Yeah, I'd be up for that two...

aVENGER · November 1, 2006

I have the full FAQ in a CD somewhere, I can put those things online if Sammael wants them back.

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He said he wanted to re-publish the FAQ soon, so I guess he has an archive copy of it as well. You could try contacting him via email since he rarely posts here now. There's a tip about it on his google-hosted website which I linked to in my previous post.

Edited November 1, 2006 by aVENGER

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · November 1, 2006

2. Since Obsidian is basically working with Atari/WOTC on NWN2 couldn't the Obsidian bosses just pitch the Jefferson idea to the publisher for possible approval (barring a surprising financial flop I don't see Atari syaing no to expansions) and go that route?

I'd place alot of money on it being rejected.

ramza · November 1, 2006

2. Since Obsidian is basically working with Atari/WOTC on NWN2 couldn't the Obsidian bosses just pitch the Jefferson idea to the publisher for possible approval (barring a surprising financial flop I don't see Atari syaing no to expansions) and go that route?

I'd place alot of money on it being rejected.

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explain your thoughts, please.

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · November 1, 2006

2. Since Obsidian is basically working with Atari/WOTC on NWN2 couldn't the Obsidian bosses just pitch the Jefferson idea to the publisher for possible approval (barring a surprising financial flop I don't see Atari syaing no to expansions) and go that route?

I'd place alot of money on it being rejected.

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explain your thoughts, please.

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I think they'd have a hard time prooving it to be conceptually better than other idea's.

It depends if it was a cold pitch, I'd doubt that, they'd have to come up with some "cool" implementations of stuff, which are specific to the game.

I'd reckon right now Mr Sawyer's brain is pulsating with a thousand idea's and add that to MCA's many ideas and "the black hound" as a concept is one of many.

That all said it's not impossible.

metadigital · November 1, 2006

I'd reckon right now Mr Sawyer's brain is pulsating with a thousand idea's and add that to MCA's many ideas and "the black hound" as a concept is one of many.

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Yeah, I think this point gets missed in a lot of the hand-wringing by ardent fans; the game that would have been MUST have spawned many of the ideas in subsequent games developed by the same people. This is why current reviews of NwN2 quote similarities to KotOR:TSL, for example, because some (novel) ideas have been thrashed out and tested on the earlier game and are now a mature asset in the later game.

The good news is that this is not a zero-sum process, and is ongoing, so that other new ideas can spontaneously spring from within the minds of said developers, as well as build upon the mature concepts and their hard-earned development experiences.

Sand · November 1, 2006

Bioware does the same thing. We had the Court thingie in NWN 1. We had the court thingie in KotOR 1. And we have the court thingie in JE.

ENOUGH WITH THE COURT THINGIE!

Dark_Raven · November 1, 2006

What court thingie are we talking about?

Briosafreak · November 1, 2006

I have the full FAQ in a CD somewhere, I can put those things online if Sammael wants them back.

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He said he wanted to re-publish the FAQ soon, so I guess he has an archive copy of it as well. You could try contacting him via email since he rarely posts here now. There's a tip about it on his google-hosted website which I linked to in my previous post.

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I see him everyday on messenger, so if he needs anything we'll be in contact, thanks for the tip anyway.

Kaftan Barlast · November 1, 2006

Actually, I still have my folder with all the Jefferson pics, artwork, and interviews I could collect before Interplay's downfall (I just copy-pasted everything... lol).

I dont know how to share this however...

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compress it into a zip or rar and use something like http://www.yousendit.com/

Bioware does the same thing. We had the Court thingie in NWN 1. We had the court thingie in KotOR 1. And we have the court thingie in JE.

ENOUGH WITH THE COURT THINGIE!

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Hey! I LIKE the court thingie.. just as much as I like the murder mystery part. Though, court dramas like AllyMcBeal etc. have gone out of fashion

Big Bottom · November 1, 2006

Was Serpent Isle the first game to have a court thingy? That was one of the best moments of the game. Actually, that game had two court thingies.

ramza · November 2, 2006

Anyway, I really hope that Feargus will suggest the development of TBH as a NWN2 expansion to the guys from Atari. Where there is profit to be gained, I don't see why they should say "no".

Plano Skywalker · November 2, 2006

as long as they work out any legal issues, I agree that Jefferson should be sold as a NWNs2 expansion....not just a "premium mod" but, essentially, an alternate OC sold as a shrinkwrap in stores (but still requiring NWNs2 to play).

Darque · November 2, 2006

Well, one thing would seem certain.

If all the story work was done for Jefferson, it'd be a quick expansion and thus more profitable... right?

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · November 2, 2006

Well, one thing would seem certain.

If all the story work was done for Jefferson, it'd be a quick expansion and thus more profitable... right?

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It wouldn't be that quick, but it would be quicker after all it wasn't made in the NWN's 2 engine and thus design stage may be partially sped up, but I doubt much else would be.

For all we know, NWN 2 may have alot of he elements intended for Jefferson already in there.

J.E. Sawyer · November 2, 2006

If it were ever done, I would want it done as an independent project, not as a for-profit product. It was initially conceived as a project with very little compromise, and my personal desire would be to keep it that way, for good or ill.

ramza · November 2, 2006

If it were ever done, I would want it done as an independent project, not as a for-profit product. It was initially conceived as a project with very little compromise, and my personal desire would be to keep it that way, for good or ill.

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If this proves to be too much work for you, you can always put up a team of modders to help you with the project. There are some people volunteering for that in these boards.

Big Bottom · November 2, 2006

Yes, JE needs a herd of prodigous modders!

The only thing I could contribute is VO work, and I'm not exactly proven in that department either.

mkreku · November 2, 2006

I could be the one providing the morale boosting pictures of scantily clad Swedish girls!

Xiw · November 2, 2006

If it were ever done, I would want it done as an independent project, not as a for-profit product. It was initially conceived as a project with very little compromise, and my personal desire would be to keep it that way, for good or ill.

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So as an expansion, Obsidian would still have to operate under the approval of WotC. But if you do it as an independent you don't have to get their OK on content. Still, even if Obsidian isn

Kaftan Barlast · November 2, 2006

If this proves to be too much work for you, you can always put up a team of modders to help you with the project. There are some people volunteering for that in these boards.

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Yes.. *nudge, nudge, wink* "

(although if I was Josh Id rather do it with people I actually know and who I meet every day.. like friends)

metadigital · November 3, 2006

So NOW you want to be his friend AS WELL?

kumquatq3 · November 3, 2006

He already stalks him, all they have to do now is "meet every day"

Dragon Lord Jones · November 3, 2006

it would be awesome if they bring the whole black hound story and design into effect please find a way to make this happen :thumbsup: "

$@\NightandtheShape/@$ · November 3, 2006

So NOW you want to be his friend AS WELL?

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I'd already mentioned knocking up a tool to parse 2DA's and split them into more manageable files while you worked with them.

If Mr Josh wants me to do that and outlines what he needs I'd be happy to, but I still hate him as much as I hate my old mom's cooking. :D

It's in my nature, he's a designer and therefore the enemy "GRANADE!".

Edited November 3, 2006 by @\NightandtheShape/@

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