StillLife Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Wasn't PS:T merely (1) Discover you can't die, and have amnesia. (2) Learn about your past (3) confront your past? Fallout 1 was merely (1) Your home people are in danger (2) save your home people (3) Go one step further and save teh whole world by killing teh evil mutants. Fallout 2 was (1) Your home people are in danger (2) save your home people (3) Find out your home people were kidnapped, so go one step further and save teh whole world by killing teh evil Enclave. Baldur's Gate (1) Mentor dies...you are sad (2) Realize that people insist on trying to kill you (3) Find out source of those sending people to kill you (4) Kill that person Baldur's Gate 2: (1) Childhood friend gets kidnapped...you are sad (2) Realize that people insist on trying to kill you. (3) Find the source of that which tries to kill you (4) Kill that person. This is kind of fun actually <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you leave out the sub-plots in them, then pretty much. In Planescape: Torment, those may have been the fundamentals, but through the course of the narrative you discover how the actions through your previous incarnations have effected the people you run into, and learn their stories. There was also complexity in the plot itself, considering the freedom you have to form your own protagonist. There are also plenty of other happenings in the gameworld with their own bits of history. Same can basically be applied to the two Fallout games and the Baldur's gate series. They all have fairly simple overall plots, but most of the story elements unravel through non-plot specific points in the game. As for Diablo, that wasn't really the case. You had the overall mission to kill the demons to go on for story and a few shallow sidequest tales.
LadyCrimson Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 I like most game genres really, so my loathing of Diabloish games isn't just about CRPGs, but it's representative of the rendundancy in video games all together. Frankly, I do like the hobby, but if that's what the future holds; if that's all people really want, I'm done with them. Totally irrelevant, but that's is pretty much how I feel about the movie/TV industry. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts
Musopticon? Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Hah...Diablos has generic characters?! I wanna taste mushrooms you gouge on. kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds
alanschu Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 I disagree about Baldur's Gate. As far as I'm concerned, the only story elements came from the plot.
Dark_Raven Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 BG and Diablo, big deal. I thoroughly enjoy playing those games, they have a good story, characters, et cetera and that is all that matters to me. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed.
Darque Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 I disagree about Baldur's Gate. As far as I'm concerned, the only story elements came from the plot. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dunno about that.
Judge Hades Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Diablo had a story? Could have surprised me. It was just one zerg fested dungeon after another with phat loot. Boring.
Dark_Raven Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Fun. Enjoyment. Passes the time. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed.
Darque Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Diablo had a story? Could have surprised me. It was just one zerg fested dungeon after another with phat loot. Boring. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Every game has a story. Even pong had a story.
Dark_Raven Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 It sure did. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed.
StillLife Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Tetris definitely has the best story of any video game though.
Dark_Raven Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Ah Tetris. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed.
alanschu Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Diablo had a story? Could have surprised me. It was just one zerg fested dungeon after another with phat loot. Boring. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you don't think Diablo had a story, then you clearly weren't paying any attention. You can argue all you want about whether or not the story is any good. But implying that it didn't have a story is just false.
LoneWolf16 Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Tetris and Pong had stories? I had thought that some of nature's journeymen had made men and not made them well, for they imitated humanity so abominably. - Book of Counted Sorrows 'Cause I won't know the man that kills me and I don't know these men I kill but we all wind up on the same side 'cause ain't none of us doin' god's will. - Everlast
Dark_Raven Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Tetris and Pong had stories? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed.
alanschu Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 I can't remember if pong did. But I never really played pong. I'm pretty sure Tetris did, but I have no idea what it is anymore.
Judge Hades Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 It was superficial and irrelevant to the game so as far I am concerned it had no story.
Llyranor Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Oblivion vibes again! (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it)
Volourn Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 "If you don't think Diablo had a story, then you clearly weren't paying any attention. You can argue all you want about whether or not the story is any good. But implying that it didn't have a story is just false." It ha snothing to do with 'paying attention'. That's just your holier than thou attitude spekaing. The bottom line is that Diablo's story did not matter so, in essence, the story didn't exist at all. No one plays Diablo for the story. No one. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
alanschu Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 I forgot. You like to use your own definitions of words and apply them in your own specific way. /me smacks self.
Darque Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 "If you don't think Diablo had a story, then you clearly weren't paying any attention. You can argue all you want about whether or not the story is any good. But implying that it didn't have a story is just false." It ha snothing to do with 'paying attention'. That's just your holier than thou attitude spekaing. The bottom line is that Diablo's story did not matter so, in essence, the story didn't exist at all. No one plays Diablo for the story. No one. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I did
Judge Hades Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 I forgot. You like to use your own definitions of words and apply them in your own specific way. /me smacks self. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I strive to maintain a certain continuity in being an irrational twit.
Dark_Raven Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 "If you don't think Diablo had a story, then you clearly weren't paying any attention. You can argue all you want about whether or not the story is any good. But implying that it didn't have a story is just false." It ha snothing to do with 'paying attention'. That's just your holier than thou attitude spekaing. The bottom line is that Diablo's story did not matter so, in essence, the story didn't exist at all. No one plays Diablo for the story. No one. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But you did. GAME OVER! Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed.
LoneWolf16 Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 Tetris and Pong had stories? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, what were they? I'm actually interested. It was superficial and irrelevant to the game so as far I am concerned it had no story. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I didn't think it was superficial and irrelevant. In fact, it really isn't. It's there for the sake of advancing the game, true, yet the primary purpose of the story in any RPG is to do just that. No one plays Diablo for the story. No one. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes I did. I had thought that some of nature's journeymen had made men and not made them well, for they imitated humanity so abominably. - Book of Counted Sorrows 'Cause I won't know the man that kills me and I don't know these men I kill but we all wind up on the same side 'cause ain't none of us doin' god's will. - Everlast
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