Dark_Raven Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I could argue that all of those problems exist in console games, too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Of course they do. PC suffer the same thing depending on your bloody set up. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I could argue that all of those problems exist in console games, too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> EDIT - All those things I listed had to be patched (Dunno about Legeds sound stuff, I uninstalled the game already and lost interest). They are far more common in PC games as well. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are missing the point: In software development, a showstopper is a computer bug which prevents a project from going forward, as opposed to a minor bug which can be documented and coped with. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haitoku Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) I could argue that all of those problems exist in console games, too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> EDIT - All those things I listed had to be patched (Dunno about Legeds sound stuff, I uninstalled the game already and lost interest). They are far more common in PC games as well. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are missing the point: In software development, a showstopper is a computer bug which prevents a project from going forward, as opposed to a minor bug which can be documented and coped with. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No. My idea of working is simply different from yours. I don't find things like sound, crashing, stuttering issues acceptable. I'm not trying to say that all PC games are broken, I have plenty of games that are working. Quiet a few tooks official patches however. Anyways, you said that a superior PC setup would give you a better gaming experience over a console player with the same game. That's is not necessarily true. Edited May 17, 2006 by Haitoku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Truth be told, I don't think I've ever ran across a broken PC game.... well... MOO3 would count... but that'd be more screwed up beyond all description... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassat Hunter Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Never encountered a game killing bug in K2 or K1 Kotor1 had the Galaxy Droid Kotor2 has 2 (original PC:1). Both have the Onderon palace ofcourse, but X-Box also has "Citadel Station Gamestopping Glitch". Since this one was not on PC and equelness was needed we got "Secret Academy Gamestopping Glith" in our Bug Pack 1.0B Do you wan't my list of Kotor2 bugslists BTW? It is pretty large (for only 3 runthroughs through a game atleast)... ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) Really, really gonna cost me. Almsot gotta completely rework my entire computer to run at this at higher than minimum (minimum simply isn't good enough for the NWN series)... At least $400-$500... Argh.. As for the other issue, all games are buggy. PC games being the buggiest... but, they have patches. ... It all evens out. We all win. We all lose. It's all game over. Edited May 17, 2006 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf16 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Showstoppers are just as individual as the system of the gamer. Some people get them, a lot don't. I had thought that some of nature's journeymen had made men and not made them well, for they imitated humanity so abominably. - Book of Counted Sorrows 'Cause I won't know the man that kills me and I don't know these men I kill but we all wind up on the same side 'cause ain't none of us doin' god's will. - Everlast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darque Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I gotta admit that I am curious... just how buggy was K1 and K2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llyranor Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I had minimal issues with both. K1 was already patched when I got it, but I had no real problems going through K2 unpatched. Both had gamestopping bugs on the Xbox, apparently - which, obviously, no patch could fix. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolf16 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Both of mine were fine, except for minor annoyances, like speed staying on indefinitely unless you messed with it...but nothing too serious. I had thought that some of nature's journeymen had made men and not made them well, for they imitated humanity so abominably. - Book of Counted Sorrows 'Cause I won't know the man that kills me and I don't know these men I kill but we all wind up on the same side 'cause ain't none of us doin' god's will. - Everlast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haitoku Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I never had major problems with KOTOR I/II. Played the first after all the official patches and I managed to play KOTOR II all the way through without any problems before the official patch. Only noticed some very strange performance issues in KOTOR II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I gotta admit that I am curious... just how buggy was K1 and K2? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not at all in my experiance. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassat Hunter Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 As for the other issue, all games ar ebuggy. PC games being the buggiest... but,t hey ahve patches. ... It alle evns out. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease... Showstoppers are just as individual as the system of the gamer. Some people get them, a lot don't. Depends. Alot of "showstoppers" are actually system-independant and everybody can get them... IF the right curcumstances are met. PS:T Closed Printshop. Kotor2 Onderon Palace. Telos Academy. Dungeon Siege2 Eisles' Crystals or some cutscene skipping. Ending of X3. Kotor1 Galaxy Droid. GTA:SA Closed Garage bug etc. etc. etc. I gotta admit that I am curious... just how buggy was K1 and K2? I got Kotor1 when the 1.2 was released. Applied it right away. Didn't notice that many bugs when running through it. Kotor2 I got at release and noticed ALOT of bugs (system independant). More and more bugs crawled up with 1.0B though; which is the reason I don't use it... ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Really, really gonna cost me. Almsot gotta completely rework my entire computer to run at this at higher than minimum (minimum simply isn't good enough for the NWN series)... At least $400-$500... Argh.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, to cut costs you could get a barebones machine that is compatible with most of your old hardware, transfer them over and get a mid ranged video card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 And remeber that the most important thing is the GFX, you can come a loong way with a less-than-average CPU and slow RAM if youve got a fast GFX. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haitoku Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 The lower requirements are almost the same as Oblivion... That's scary. Hopefully since this is PC only, optimization will receive more attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astr0creep Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 K1(PC) had a nice little bug that made the game crash when loading the next area when going up the elevator to meet Malak for the first time. There was no patch for this(still isn't I think) but it could be bypassed by playing with settings and different systems required different fixes. All I had to do was lower the res, take the elevator and then bring it back up. http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadhatter114 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 But considering that PC-exclusives are becoming less and less common while console-exclusives are becoming more common, it's really a question of what games you want to play when it comes to determing value. And arguing that you can use your PC for Word, internet, etc. is a pointless argument because if you already HAVE a computer and you'd have to upgrade it, you'd probably save money and still have all those capabilities if you bought a console. Then again, if you don't upgrade your computer, you can't play NWN2 or Dragon Age. If you don't get a console, you can't play Mass Effect or PNJ or ... So upgrade your PC, get an X-Box 360, a PS3, and a Wii and play all the games you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I could argue that all of those problems exist in console games, too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> EDIT - All those things I listed had to be patched (Dunno about Legeds sound stuff, I uninstalled the game already and lost interest). They are far more common in PC games as well. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are missing the point: In software development, a showstopper is a computer bug which prevents a project from going forward, as opposed to a minor bug which can be documented and coped with. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No. My idea of working is simply different from yours. I don't find things like sound, crashing, stuttering issues acceptable. I'm not trying to say that all PC games are broken, I have plenty of games that are working. Quiet a few tooks official patches however. Anyways, you said that a superior PC setup would give you a better gaming experience over a console player with the same game. That's is not necessarily true. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Truth be told, I don't think I've ever ran across a broken PC game.... well... MOO3 would count... but that'd be more screwed up beyond all description... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I never played MOO3. The vast majority of PC game players do not encounter showstopping bugs in their games; and most of the ones I have heard about were due to graphics and (more likely) sound cards; otherwise the game wouldn't sell. Recently I read a review of Stolen, which was so badly made and unfinished that the manual had place-markers still in it on release ("put character description here", etc). If you want to be pedantic, then Yes, it is possible to ship a PC game that has no chance of working. But I would counter that consoles are not immune from that, so it is a meaningless distinction. The point is that consoles give a value-for-money advantage, whereas PCs give a better graphics and sound experience. OTHERWISE no-one would buy a console nor a PC (for gaming), which is patently not the case. My original point was (which I may have overstated and compromised the accuracy for simplicity) was that if you have a high-end PC, then you will have a better gaming experience: you will have access to better graphics, better sound, the same or better controls (gamepads for PCs, or mouse-and-keyboard, respectively), as well as games that just aren't available on a console (I am currently replaying PlanentFall, for example, but I could play any game from any non-current console, too), and added content from the developers (patches) and the online communities (mods). Bearing in mind that, if you want to buy the extreme latest PC gear, the additional purchase of a console and a few games is almost negligible; so those fortunate few will have both, anyway. OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 (edited) But considering that PC-exclusives are becoming less and less common while console-exclusives are becoming more common <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There is no such thing as a "PC exclusive" just games that are not feasible to port to consoles, like FPS, CRPGs or Strategy games which dont lend themselves to playing in the couch in front of the TV. Most console games on the other hand can easily be "ported" to play on the PC but theyre kept off the PC market in order to force people to buy consoles. Edited May 18, 2006 by Kaftan Barlast DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Yeah. There is no PC exclusives only games that cannot be ported to inferior platforms. This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassat Hunter Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 PC itself is basically a zillion different platforms... quite an exclusive ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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