Do you look down on people who...

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

I agree with Walshingham and Di. Even if you don't agree with the politics of war. You don't take that out on the soldiers who are professionals who dont pick and choose their conflicts.

[Judge Hades]

Maybe they should.

[LoneWolf16]

I too am quite happy for someone else to die in my place. I don't think Lovewolf claimed to be altruism personified. I'd say it's quite normal for a human being to put self-preservation before say duty or this new kind of follow your enlightened leaders patriotism. I'm pretty sure that he just wants to die by his own volition, be that as a 90 year old man in ****-stained bedsheets or a 25 year old kid in a war he does believe in against foes he does wish to see dead.

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(Not exactly, but...) Bingo #1

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You don't want to put yourself in harm's way (it's "crazy" man).

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Note the bolded parts.

What's with this condescending (I like this word) tone? If he doesn't want to be a part of the military due to conflicting opinions then that is his right. I wouldn't want to go fight for Bush and Co. in Iraq either. Now if some nation or group was to attack 'my' country or one of our allies on their soil, then it would be a different matter entirely.

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Not condescending (I can tell that is your New Favourite Word), simply using laconic humour to point out the hypocrisy latent in his post.

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How am I being hypocritical? If I want to avoid death for what I deem to be a pointless war, why am I the bad guy when somebody else decides they want to go fight in my place? Good on them. They see a reason, so let them fight for it.

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Bingo #2

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Yet you are happy for others to do so on your behalf, so that you might enjoy their sacrifices. (Hint: that's the hypocrisy.)

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I'm happy for them they've made their decision. I meant "Good on them for having their ideals and fighting for them in the manner they see fit." I need to elaborate quite a bit more, I see. Maybe word things better before I post so I don't have moderators jumping down my throat.

 

Then, when Numbers called you on it (which I would have done, if I were here), you tried and failed to wriggle out of it, flinging insults at him.

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All right, I think there's been a misunderstanding. Again. Once more, my fault. I think you may be taking that line "You do, however, need a degree in idiocy." as an insult. It's an insult...but towards myself. I was calling myself an idiot for voluntarily charging into a burning building to save a child without proper protection or precautionary measures. Noble, but foolish.

 

To clarify: you are suggesting that you would put yourself in harm's way for something worthwhile, e.g. saving a baby from a house fire, yet you aren't backing up that comment with action (you aren't volunteering for fire service).

 

So what are the "lot" you'd die for, because you haven't volunteered a single one (apart from a fantasy accident).

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...I would prefer to die that way. That's all I said, for crying out loud! You know why I'm not volunteering to be a firefighter? #1. I'm not too strong. #2. Death frightens me. #3. I'm deathly afraid that incompetence on my part may cause the death of a compatriot or a victim.

 

I'd die to protect my family. I'd die to protect some stranger who gets jumped on a damned bus. I'd die defending the rights of my people. If a dictator came up, I'd be one of the people fighting back.

 

Of course it's all me talking! I have no desire, at all, to go searching for ways to prove myself by dying! You want me to go looking for trouble? If it's happening around me, I'll react accordingly, but I will not seek it out.

[Judge Hades]

I sought out trouble once. Found God. Kicked Him in the jimmy and left.

[metadigital]

@Lonewolf: Right, see how much easier that is to read, for us out here?

[LoneWolf16]

I give up.

 

Back to random porn related comments and bad jokes I guess.

[Cantousent]

Ah, don't take it so hard. meta can be tough on folks sometimes. I don't doubt you, Lonewolfie. These are heavy concepts for a guy who's trying to get some college under his belt and deal with the politics of the day.

 

Ultimately, it's not about whether we look down on you. It's about whether you look down on yourself. Once you've established what exactly is worth risking your neck, you'll be better off than most us who are still trying to figure these things out on a case by case basis. Don't pray to pass the test. Pray that you're never tested.

[metadigital]

I give up. 

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NO!

 

Don't give up!

 

Run, Forrest, run!

[julianw]

Even if you don't agree with the politics of war. You don't take that out on the soldiers who are professionals who dont pick and choose their conflicts.

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I agree with Hades on this. The soldiers who chose to fight and believed that their actions are serving a greater good deserve our support and respect even if we believe that they had been misled by their own government through its false intelligence. On the other hand, there is nothing to be proud of if some one was a prison guard at a Nazi concentration camp since it was his duty to his government.

[Llyranor]

Yeah, Americans don't mistreat their prisoners. Freaking Germans.

[LoneWolf16]

Forrest!? FORREST!? You, sir, have insulted me. I demand satisfaction! *Produces a small white glove and proceeds to slap Meta with it......several times....slowly.*

 

Seriously though, I'd rather not end up in a position where I actually am tested in that way. I'd like to think I wouldn't stand idly by and watch somebody get killed or something...

[Lucius]

I liked 'slowly'

 

That shows style mate... guess it was velour wasn't it?

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

Yeah, Americans don't mistreat their prisoners. Freaking Germans.

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It's not like you could seriously compare the two.

[julianw]

Yeah, Americans don't mistreat their prisoners. Freaking Germans.

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At least they weren't sending them into gas chambers. Also, their own government has put them on trial for their misbehaviors.

[Cantousent]

It is proper for a serviceman to refuse an order that violates the Constitution. It is imperative for a serviceman to refuse an order that consitutes a war crime. Doing so is truly heroic.

 

Now, that said, it takes just as much courage to stand up to your side as it does to stand up to the enemy.

 

Now, that said likewise, any cur of a soldier who commits crimes against humanity should be brought to trial immediately. If found guilty, he should be punished to the full extent of the law within the guidelines of the case. We should never countenance torture. The Bush administration should have made that perfectly clear.

 

American soldiers are not nazis, regardless of what some of you prefer to believe. Most of them are decent, hard-working, brave lads who volunteered to serve their country. Some aren't, but that is inevitable.

[alanschu]

I'd die to protect my family. I'd die to protect some stranger who gets jumped on a damned bus. I'd die defending the rights of my people. If a dictator came up, I'd be one of the people fighting back.

 

Of course it's all me talking! I have no desire, at all, to go searching for ways to prove myself by dying! You want me to go looking for trouble? If it's happening around me, I'll react accordingly, but I will not seek it out.

 

Hmmm, if you are taht afraid of death, I wonder if you would actually be willing to help a guy getting jumped on a bus. I'd like to say I would, but I wouldn't be too surprised if I froze up.

[ShadowPaladin V1.0]

I have no desire, at all, to go searching for ways to prove myself by dying!

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Very smart of you.

[Lucius]

I don't know, when you've once been thinking about suicide, death just doesn't seem that scary to me anymore. Of course, knowing the grief it would cause my family, it's better to just be careful.

[metadigital]

Forrest!? FORREST!? You, sir, have insulted me. I demand satisfaction! *Produces a small white glove and proceeds to slap Meta with it......several times....slowly.*

 

Seriously though, I'd rather not end up in a position where I actually am tested in that way. I'd like to think I wouldn't stand idly by and watch somebody get killed or something...

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Not a Forrest Gump fan, then?

[Chupacabra]

 

Not a Forrest Gump fan, then?

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I don't look down on those who avoid the military. Not at all. People have the right to do what they want with their lives (provided it's within reason).

 

 

I'd also like to troll a bit and complain about how Eddo36 has spammed tarna's once-glorious forum with his moronic topics. : (

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[LoneWolf16]

 

Not a Forrest Gump fan, then?

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Fine after the first few times...but then I start getting a strong urge to beat Tom Hanks to death with a box of chocolates.

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[Chupacabra]

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

 

Hear that, Eddo?

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[metadigital]

Not a Forrest Gump fan, then?

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Fine after the first few times...but then I start getting a strong urge to beat Tom Hanks to death with a box of chocolates.

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You have obviously watched it too often, then.

 

The US Surgeon General recommends no more than 1000Dpm, which equates to 1 Hanks/year (the older unit of irritability was the Beckinsale (Bk), defined as 3.7

[Dark_Raven]

Not a Forrest Gump fan, then?

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Fine after the first few times...but then I start getting a strong urge to beat Tom Hanks to death with a box of chocolates.

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You have obviously watched it too often, then.

 

The US Surgeon General recommends no more than 1000Dpm, which equates to 1 Hanks/year (the older unit of irritability was the Beckinsale (Bk), defined as 3.7

[LoneWolf16]

I knew my Dpm intake was too high! Why!? Why didn't I consult a doctor before ingesting so much of that horrible...actor?

 

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