Damn you, Commies!

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Chimps are more intelligent than 4-5 years old human children. Chimps can talk if properly trained(raised) with sign language.

They solve problems by reasoning and experimentation.

 

All animals have emotions.

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Yes, but five year olds don't have the vote ...

Think about it. Not too long ago(in the 50s) we "Whites" considered "Blacks" animals and used them pretty much the same way as we use most animals now, short of actually eating them of course. It took major conflicts and a major change of thought for this to stop(mostly).

 

They are living creatures after all and not very different from us. So why not?

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That was the whole point (subtext) of the films and tv series based on the Planet of the Apes.

 

Although I don't agree with the Judeo-Christian concept of the world and all her inhabitants are at the beck and call of humans, I think I would rather ask you what you are trying to achieve ...

[ramza]

LOL I have created a similar thread in my College's forum and have posted there everything we have been saying and every link we have been given. People started getting annoyed by all this spam, and one guy sent me a mail entitled "eat this!" with the following link:

 

http://orange32.com/monkeypants/

 

mmmm, I enjoy so much annoying other people. I have to find something else now....

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My god that was tedious.

[astr0creep]

Chimps are more intelligent than 4-5 years old human children. Chimps can talk if properly trained(raised) with sign language.

They solve problems by reasoning and experimentation.

 

All animals have emotions.

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Yes, but five year olds don't have the vote ...

Think about it. Not too long ago(in the 50s) we "Whites" considered "Blacks" animals and used them pretty much the same way as we use most animals now, short of actually eating them of course. It took major conflicts and a major change of thought for this to stop(mostly).

 

They are living creatures after all and not very different from us. So why not?

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That was the whole point (subtext) of the films and tv series based on the Planet of the Apes.

 

Although I don't agree with the Judeo-Christian concept of the world and all her inhabitants are at the beck and call of humans, I think I would rather ask you what you are trying to achieve ...

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I'm only asking questions, "thinking out loud".

 

Did the article say monkeys would have the right to vote? I don't remember that. And it would be too much.

[SteveThaiBinh]

I vaguely remember this being raised before, possibly in New Zealand? I also remember talking about it with friends after watching a news item about Koko the gorilla who apparently knows 1000 signs from American Sign Language. Can we deny 'human' rights to a creature who seems able to think and express herself the way we do? On the other hand, there are scientists who dispute whether she actually understands the signs she uses or just learns to reproduce signs because her handlers reward her.

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Astr0, I was merely suggesting that the "female" animal rights manifesto (that all things furry and cute should be preserved, whilst those creatures horrid and ugly, like spiders, should be exterminated) should not be persued: we need to respect all creatures in the web of life, lest we suddenly realise just how inter-connected humans are to their ecosystem.

 

Steve: I'm just finishing a book called The Symbolic Species, by Terrence Deacon, which is subtitled The co-evolution of language and the human brain. While this is, in fact, a scientific dissertation and doesn't lend itself readily to summary, I can give a few points here. (I did intend to make a more detailed post about it, later, once I had finished.)

 

Basically, humans are unique in that they use symbolic logic. teaching chimps is difficult (but see below), because they do not grasp some of the counter-intuitive logic required to make specific examples less important than the general rule they represent. For example, teaching a chimp a sentance requires that all the nonsensical sentences are overtly demonstrated as wrong; the chimp rarely (if ever) is able to make this judgement.

 

I have copied a couple of relevant passages from chapter four, below.

The most advanced symbolic capabilities demonstrated by any non-human species to date, appear to have developed almost by accident in a very young chimp named Kanzi

[Walsingham]

I am writing a comedy with a friend. In it the dictator tries to curry favour ith the west by granting human citizenship to 15,000 bonobo monkeys. Unfortunately this backfires because of course virtually all the bonobos are swiftly arrested for sexual harassment and flinging excrement at people in addition to breaking the laws on nudity and vagrancy.

 

We treat people just as badly if not worse than chimps.

[Daaave]

I am writing a comedy with a friend. In it the dictator tries to curry favour ith the west by granting human citizenship to 15,000 bonobo monkeys. Unfortunately this backfires because of course virtually all the bonobos are swiftly arrested for sexual harassment and flinging excrement at people in addition to breaking the laws on nudity and vagrancy.

 

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Edited May 1, 2006 by sucky

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I am writing a comedy with a friend. In it the dictator tries to curry favour ith the west by granting human citizenship to 15,000 bonobo monkeys. Unfortunately this backfires because of course virtually all the bonobos are swiftly arrested for sexual harassment and flinging excrement at people in addition to breaking the laws on nudity and vagrancy.

 

We treat people just as badly if not worse than chimps.

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Worse.

 

But the animals are innocent ... "

[astr0creep]

I wonder. Is this whole thing to prevent/limit animal testing?

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I'd bet it is.

[Ginthaeriel]

The PSOE's justification is that humans share 98.4% of our genes with chimpanzees, 97.7% with gorillas, and 96.4% with orangutans.

But, Over 40% of the predicted human proteins share similarity with fruit-fly or worm proteins, so insects are people too!

 

Actually, human beings also share 50% of our genes with... a banana.

http://www.wasdarwinright.com/homology-f.htm

 

So bananas are people too! Except then the chimpanzees will eat them. And if they're given human rights, then they're subject to human laws too! So they will be guilty of murder! w00t! Take that you damn, dirty apes!

Edited May 4, 2006 by Ginthaeriel

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I tried to warn you guys. No one listened. I only hope it's not too late.....

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Too late!