Elven6 Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 Ok basiclly all forums you go to will have a topic like this but Obsidan does not lol So 1 side argues on the Communist side (You don't have to be communist to argue) Or the "American side" (Don't have to be Democratic either). If you wanna debate don't post stupid things like "Communism is evil because my government told me". If your going to do that come back when you are civilized enought to have a conversation in soceity. Ok someone start a argument and we can begin (No im not communist, im netural on the whole thing since no system is perfect)
kirottu Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 "In communism you have to share your girlfriend with the community." This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time.
LoneWolf16 Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 Communism is evil because both my government and other governments have told me. I had thought that some of nature's journeymen had made men and not made them well, for they imitated humanity so abominably. - Book of Counted Sorrows 'Cause I won't know the man that kills me and I don't know these men I kill but we all wind up on the same side 'cause ain't none of us doin' god's will. - Everlast
Elven6 Posted March 16, 2006 Author Posted March 16, 2006 If you wanna debate don't post stupid things like "Communism is evil because my government told me". If your going to do that come back when you are civilized enought to have a conversation in soceity. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Meshugger Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 Communism doesn't work, since people like to own things. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
LoneWolf16 Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 If you wanna debate don't post stupid things like "Communism is evil because my government told me". If your going to do that come back when you are civilized enought to have a conversation in soceity. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you calling mine and other people's governments liars? I had thought that some of nature's journeymen had made men and not made them well, for they imitated humanity so abominably. - Book of Counted Sorrows 'Cause I won't know the man that kills me and I don't know these men I kill but we all wind up on the same side 'cause ain't none of us doin' god's will. - Everlast
Elven6 Posted March 16, 2006 Author Posted March 16, 2006 That dosne't mean anything, you can still own things in a Communist soceity.
kirottu Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 Communism doesn't work, since people like to own things. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, there has never been a communist goverment, but I tend to agree with you anyway. This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time.
Elven6 Posted March 16, 2006 Author Posted March 16, 2006 So I guess countrys like China, Cuba, the former Soviet Union, are just their for show? Communism could really help the economy of a poor country
Meshugger Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 That dosne't mean anything, you can still own things in a Communist soceity. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm not speaking of just material things. I'm speaking about about general possessions, such as: Wealth, power, influence and control as well. That's why the communist system will go bankrupt from within. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Elven6 Posted March 16, 2006 Author Posted March 16, 2006 Well power leads to corruption which leads to crime, eliminate the power and crime will go down. Influence and control still exist in a Communist Soceity do some reseach, a leader rules with a Iron fist keeping his country safe, theirs the control You will still have wealth in a communist soceity, the bigger your economy the more money you make duh
LoneWolf16 Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 So I guess countrys like China, Cuba, the former Soviet Union, are just their for show? Communism could really help the economy of a poor country <{POST_SNAPBACK}> None of those are truly communist. I had thought that some of nature's journeymen had made men and not made them well, for they imitated humanity so abominably. - Book of Counted Sorrows 'Cause I won't know the man that kills me and I don't know these men I kill but we all wind up on the same side 'cause ain't none of us doin' god's will. - Everlast
Pidesco Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 So I guess countrys like China, Cuba, the former Soviet Union, are just their for show? Communism could really help the economy of a poor country All those countries are just your basic dictatorships functioning under the guise of communism. Communism is not the antithesis of democracy, by the way. A country can be democratic and communist. Perhaps it's even a prerequisite. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend.
kirottu Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 So I guess countrys like China, Cuba, the former Soviet Union, are just their for show? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes. Those are oligargies(sp?) where few rule over all the rest. Not communism where everything is ruled by community in which everyone is included. This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time.
Elven6 Posted March 16, 2006 Author Posted March 16, 2006 So I guess countrys like China, Cuba, the former Soviet Union, are just their for show? Communism could really help the economy of a poor country <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All those countries are just your basic dictatorships functioning under the guise of communism. Communism is not the antithesis of democracy, by the way. A country can be democratic and communist. Perhaps it's even a prerequisite. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What your talking about is Canada Also Mikhail Gorbachev was no dictator, Vladimer Lenin was no dictator, I belive the USSR had only 2 dictators. Has for Fidel Castro their isn't enought TRUE evidence to prove his position
Surreptishus Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 China? emerging markets? Communist? HA! Damn even cuba has a sort of proto free market going on.
kirottu Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) Well power leads to corruption which leads to crime, eliminate the power and crime will go down. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What? Most basic reason for crime is poverty, not power. Are you an anti-communist in hiding, because your points are just awful? Edited March 16, 2006 by kirottu This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time.
Meshugger Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 Well power leads to corruption which leads to crime, eliminate the power and crime will go down. And another one(s) will take the new power after the vakuum created by the loss of the previous leader(s). That's the nature of man, thus not communistic. Influence and control still exist in a Communist Soceity do some reseach, a leader rules with a Iron fist keeping his country safe, theirs the control That's totalitarian, and hardly communism. You will still have wealth in a communist soceity, the bigger your economy the more money you make duh You'll be the poorest and the richest at the same time. People still want more stuff than their neighbour, thus the system will fail. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Lucius Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 We have a communist, or at least far left party in parliament. I dislike those guys. :angry: DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting.
Elven6 Posted March 16, 2006 Author Posted March 16, 2006 You obiusly don't know the principals of Communism, If everyone recives a job they will produce things for the country, has the country sells these items they make money For instance Cuba has a good market in Cigars, they make the Cigars and people from other countrys buy them. Now if most of the population produces these cigars how much money would they make? They ain't cheap you know!
julianw Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) There is no such thing as communism vs democracy. It's communism vs capitalism or totalitarianism vs democracy. China, Cuba and even USSR are never communist countries. Their governments are socialists. In communism, people are rid of not only personal possessions but even the concept of them. The precondition for communism is that the productivity of human race has increased to infinity that personal possessions lose their meanings entirely. So basically if you wanted a sports car, they will just be raining from the sky. Economically, communism will never work because we have limited resources and unlimited demands. Socially, it won't work because free will is what defines our life but in a communist society our choices have no consequences to us. As for socialism, it has its uses when mixed with capitalism. Since democracy aims to provide everyone with equal opportunity, socialism as in forms of government spending could provide the poor quality education, food, lodging, etc., so they have a chance to compete with the already rich in the primarily capitalistic world. edit - Looks like some of my points are already made by others... Edited March 16, 2006 by julianw
Meshugger Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 So I guess countrys like China, Cuba, the former Soviet Union, are just their for show? Communism could really help the economy of a poor country <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All those countries are just your basic dictatorships functioning under the guise of communism. Communism is not the antithesis of democracy, by the way. A country can be democratic and communist. Perhaps it's even a prerequisite. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What your talking about is Canada Also Mikhail Gorbachev was no dictator, Vladimer Lenin was no dictator, I belive the USSR had only 2 dictators. Has for Fidel Castro their isn't enought TRUE evidence to prove his position <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Gorbachev introduced democratic elements in communism, and what did the people want? Vladimir Lenin no dictator? False. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
kirottu Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 You obiusly don't know the principals of Communism, If everyone recives a job they will produce things for the country, has the country sells these items they make money For instance Cuba has a good market in Cigars, they make the Cigars and people from other countrys buy them. Now if most of the population produces these cigars how much money would they make? They ain't cheap you know! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh man. You really are anti-communist. :D ... Well, that or just plain stupid. This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time.
Meshugger Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 You obiusly don't know the principals of Communism, If everyone recives a job they will produce things for the country, has the country sells these items they make money For instance Cuba has a good market in Cigars, they make the Cigars and people from other countrys buy them. Now if most of the population produces these cigars how much money would they make? They ain't cheap you know! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nothing of above can be implemented in reality. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Elven6 Posted March 16, 2006 Author Posted March 16, 2006 Then please tell us what you think of Lenin? If he is no Dictator why is his body still preserved! Also people back then would rather have lived under Lenin then the Tzar If your going to argue at least use examples Has for JulianW's point I have to do a bit of research on what you said, what I do know is Swithzernd is a Socialist soceity and the taxes thing works like this If you work at Mc Donalds and earn $2000US a year that means your taxes would probably be $50 (Don't know what formula they use but you get the point)
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