Cantousent Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 Apparently, a thief, convicted of possessing and fencing stolen property, was given two additional months of prison time for having the nazi oath on his answering machine. What do you think? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10573699/ Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends!
LoneWolf16 Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 Um...I don't think that's right. Believe what you want, just keep it to yourself...or within a circle of individuals you hand around with. Focus on the crimes committed, not on this garbage. I had thought that some of nature's journeymen had made men and not made them well, for they imitated humanity so abominably. - Book of Counted Sorrows 'Cause I won't know the man that kills me and I don't know these men I kill but we all wind up on the same side 'cause ain't none of us doin' god's will. - Everlast
213374U Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 I think one has to be an idiot to have that stuff on their answering machine in a country where it's against the law. Being that stupid certainly justifies the court's decision to extend his sentence. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Cantousent Posted December 22, 2005 Author Posted December 22, 2005 Criminally stupid, my numbered friend? Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends!
213374U Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 :D - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
LoneWolf16 Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 I think one has to be an idiot to have that stuff on their answering machine in a country where it's against the law. Being that stupid certainly justifies the court's decision to extend his sentence. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's against the law? In that case, I would like to formally withdraw my prior complaint. I had thought that some of nature's journeymen had made men and not made them well, for they imitated humanity so abominably. - Book of Counted Sorrows 'Cause I won't know the man that kills me and I don't know these men I kill but we all wind up on the same side 'cause ain't none of us doin' god's will. - Everlast
Surreptishus Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 Against the law, just like it says at the end of the article. I believe there is suc h a law in Germany. Its like that Austrlian guy who was (will have been?) sentenced to death in Singapore for smuggling drugs. There was a big hoo hah in Australia, but the bottom line is that he broke the law of Singapore.
Cantousent Posted December 22, 2005 Author Posted December 22, 2005 No, it's the law of the land. I wonder if it should be. I mean, is a similar communist pledge illegal? Is it illegal to have a Christian, Muslim, or Jewish message? Is it illegal to call on Horus, Zeus, or Vishnu? Is it illegal to have an atheist or anti-theist message? I actually don't have any problem with the sentence. Like most folks, there's a special place in heart for the accursed nazis. I just wondered how our hatred of nazism squared with our love of free speech. On the other hand, I agree with numbers, the man's stupidity warrants his sentence. Fionavar's Holliday Wishes to all members of our online community: Happy Holidays Join the revelry at the Obsidian Plays channel:Obsidian Plays Remembering tarna, Phosphor, Metadigital, and Visceris. Drink mead heartily in the halls of Valhalla, my friends!
Judge Hades Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 I also have to concur with Eldar and number man on this.
taks Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 given that it is law, extra sentencing is justified from a legal standpoint. however, having the law in the first place smacks of tyranny. the whole point of freedom is that you, and everyone else, have the right to express any opinion as long as it does not actively promote otherwise criminal activity, no matter how despicable it may be. taks comrade taks... just because.
Judge Hades Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 That is fine point of view if you are an American but different countries have different points of view of what is right and what is wrong.
kirottu Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 That This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time.
><FISH'> Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 (edited) These laws sound very logical. They are against the whole 'freedom of speech' thing, but if nazism wasn't as illegal, then a select few might just continue the nazi's practices. To mods: I think I need that account moderation removed now, it's been weeks and it really is getting irritating. EDIT: Some typo's... Edited December 23, 2005 by ><FISH'>
Kaftan Barlast Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 Stupidity must be punished. At all times And Nazism is an exception to freedom of press/speech. A political doctrine and philosofy directly(as opposed to comunism, marx didnt kill people, stalin did) responsible for dozens of milions of dead and unimaginable suffering should not be allowed to exist in any form. DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. "
213374U Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 (edited) given that it is law, extra sentencing is justified from a legal standpoint. however, having the law in the first place smacks of tyranny. the whole point of freedom is that you, and everyone else, have the right to express any opinion as long as it does not actively promote otherwise criminal activity, no matter how despicable it may be. On the other hand, nobody prevents him from entering politics and including in his program the suppression of said law. If sufficient people considered it a matter of the utmost importance, he would win the elections and said law would be no more. A tyranny indeed, but it's the tyranny of the majority. And Nazism is an exception to freedom of press/speech. A political doctrine and philosofy directly(as opposed to comunism, marx didnt kill people, stalin did) responsible for dozens of milions of dead and unimaginable suffering should not be allowed to exist in any form. Bolshevism isn't exactly the same thing as communism. While you can't draw a comparison between Hitler's nationalsocialism and Marx's communism, you certainly can between bolshevism and nazism. Edited for accuracy. Edited December 22, 2005 by 213374U - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Darkside Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 I believe in freedom of speech. However, I also believe punishing people for being complete dumb****s is perfectly ethical. And nazis are dumb****s just for being nazis, anti-nazi laws or not.
Judge Hades Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 Oh (in mocking shock) such language from a minor. I best get that soap.
213374U Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 And nazis are dumb****s just for being nazis, anti-nazi laws or not. Says you. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
LoneWolf16 Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 And nazis are dumb****s just for being nazis, anti-nazi laws or not. Says you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And basic human decency. " I had thought that some of nature's journeymen had made men and not made them well, for they imitated humanity so abominably. - Book of Counted Sorrows 'Cause I won't know the man that kills me and I don't know these men I kill but we all wind up on the same side 'cause ain't none of us doin' god's will. - Everlast
WinterSun Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 The term "nazi" gets overused anyway. To most of the rabid commies I've met, anyone with even slightly right-wing views is a nazi. master of my domain Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo.
Darkside Posted December 22, 2005 Posted December 22, 2005 Oh (in mocking shock) such language from a minor. I best get that soap. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I feel a few choice words are justifiable when they're true.
Dark Moth Posted December 23, 2005 Posted December 23, 2005 If you're even a Neo-nazi to begin with, there's something wrong with you. The guy deserved what he got. Coincidentally, we're learning about dictators and totalitarian governments in European History. In many ways, Communism is tyranny of the left while Nazism is tyranny of the right. In retrospect, it would have been nice if Hitler and Stalin both destroyed each other in WWII.
213374U Posted December 23, 2005 Posted December 23, 2005 To a certain extent, that's exactly what they did... - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
taks Posted December 23, 2005 Posted December 23, 2005 That is fine point of view if you are an American but different countries have different points of view of what is right and what is wrong. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> that doesn't validate the position... lots of things are approved of in other countries that are fundamentally wrong (particularly where women's rights are concerned). keep in mind, there is nothing wrong with naziism per se, but the implementation thereof is what is bad. speak it, believe it, pray for it, whatever, but use it (or any other socio-politico-economic system) to oppress anybody's fundamental rights and then there is a problem. taks comrade taks... just because.
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